General Discussion

You and your girlfriend or wife go with some friends your age to a nice restaurant to have some fancy steak dinners. One of your friends who is married brings his two young kids along. Once the sizzling top dollar steaks are served to your table, you hear one of the kids saying "Ewww dad, YUCK!". The childs father politely tells his child to behave and tells him in a sarcastic tone that not every dinner can be of McDonalds quality. This remark gets a good chuckle from most observers at the table, including the waiter.

I've played World of Warcraft. And with all the childish bickering and whining especially when playing with almost any group I was ever invited into.. I never heard "Go back to UO" or "Go back to "EQ".

However, when I've played "Eve" recently, Asheron's Call, and when I played Dark Age of Camelot a couple years back, certainly one of the biggest insults you can throw at somebody is to say something along the lines of "Go back to WoW, noob" And players that get told those words almost always get pissed and take it very personally, instantly trying to prove their worthiness to play whatever game it is that they are logged into.

We certainly all know how popular World of Warcraft is, recently proclaiming 10 million active customers. But even with it's popularity, is it really such a low in overall quality in the general mmo community? Is WoW really "McDonalds compared to a fine quality steakhouse"? I mean everyone knows how many billions of burgers McDonalds has proclaimed to have sold (much like all the millions of customers Blizzard is so proud to make public).

Quality very rarely equals Quantity. I personally think that World of Warcraft is a very high quality game, however it is just way too simple and has way too little actual challenge - atleast for me. However, it would be hard to say that some mmo that was more challenging but had a million bugs was "higher quality".

World of Warcraft is a high quality game. But regardless of it's numbers, it sure seems to be the lowest of low and the laughing stock and where noobish players are condemned to so often inside more challenging and sophisticated mmos today. In that regard, World of Warcraft sure doesn't get a lot of respect. If you doubt me, fire up a free trial of Asherons Call and publicly ask on the general chat channel what players think about World of Warcraft. You'll be almost certain to draw laughter, insults and total abuse from anyone who even thinks you deserve an answer.

Is it an over abused insult? It is funny? Is it a great insult? Is it ignorant?

Oh yes.. if you want to flame me, that's perfectly fine. But as soon as you are done, "Go back to WoW" eh? {winks}

- Zaxx

Not bored enough to read something this long, but yea, "Go back to WoW" Is a pretty heavy insult.

Originally posted by zaxtor99

We certainly all know how popular World of Warcraft is, recently proclaiming 10 million active customers. But even with it's popularity, is it really such a low in overall quality in the general mmo community? Is WoW really "McDonalds compared to a fine quality steakhouse"? I mean everyone knows how many billions of burgers McDonalds has proclaimed to have sold (much like all the millions of customers Blizzard is so proud to make public).

Hah you bet it is. Of course it's like that. Everything that is popular (has bigger popularity that it's competition) stinks. The critical thinking of an average person is equal to zero and easily falls in love with something masses proclaim it's phenomenal and great success.

it is at 2 am

Usually only immature people tend to use these kind of insults (as if participating in a game is some sort of status symbol for "geekiness").

Only immature people take the insults personally and behave accordingly.

Of course, it does get tiring after the Nth time you hear it.

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Originally posted by Xasapis
Usually only immature people tend to use these kind of insults (as if participating in a game is some sort of status symbol for "geekiness").
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Ahhh, Players who prefer more challenge in their mmos are total "geeks". Gotcha. Makes total sense.

Under that line of thought, then all the players who sit on World of Warcraft for 18 hours a day are bigtime "STUDS" I suppose. [Giggles}

J/K. I get what you are saying, just couldn't resist.

- Zaxx

After nearly a decade of being an avid to hardcore MMO player, this insult would probably hurt my feelings.

I'm also not too sure I can agree with you calling it a "High quality" game. Think of it in terms of shopping: No one (aside from maybe 3rd world countries) brags about shopping at Wal-Mart, who does cater to the masses, supplying everythings the casual shopper should ever need. That being said, WoW is the Wal-Mart of MMORPGS in my opinion.

Playing wow since US open beta on and off I have a love/hate relationship with it. But I do find it funny that they compare it with a Mcdonalds now.

It hasn't got much depth and the community can be horrid (I'm an EU player so can only comment about ours) but thats really server related.

But what wow does got more over these "better" MMO's is smoothness. There is no game out there that I tried that ran so fluent and polished. Anyway if dev's keep hyping their game like hell and at the end it's a piling steam of poo (VG,AOC,TR,POTBS,...) then i'll be glad going back to WoW :)

 Tho I still hope that some studio out there makes a finished skillbased sandbox so I can stop remembering how good SWG Pre-CU was even with it's million of flaws. It had so much potential but since release it never did anything with it.

But about the insult: Shows how big WoW has become when unhappy people who can't find their way in this crap infested genre use it as insult. And about the "Iz not inteligentz game" statement that you hear from mmo players (just a minority tho), wake up EVE or any MMO with more depth then WoW isn't either, or is reading a manual and having basic understanding skills a new form of being intelligent? ;)

Originally posted by tofke

But what wow does got more over these "better" MMO's is smoothness. There is no game out there that I tried that ran so fluent and polished. Anyway if dev's keep hyping their game like hell and at the end it's a piling steam of poo (VG,AOC,TR,POTBS,...) then i'll be glad going back to WoW :) 

That's not very smart comparing polishness between a game that is out for 3 and half years and games released lately or not even released yet .

hi there.

You got some points that i had about a year ago.. but i totaly quited mmos, but i started again now!

My thoughts have changed, reason i "maby flamed" wow, whas because i whas bored of the game, and wanted games like EQ2 to be better than WOW.

i played wow sence release, and played it almost every day, for about 2 years. and started at the same time playing eq2 for a while, than lotro when it came out.

when it comes to childish behavor in wow, than my only experiance of it, is on normal servers, specially on the horde side. maby some of you got outher experiances. than i talk about things like, people 10 lvls higher than you want to duel you, and if you say NO, than he calls you chicken, or even a NOOB and if you say yes and loose, than you are a NOOB aswell..

Alliance side on PVP servers, are after my experiance.. really mature. and most of the people you think are adults, is in reality often kids (around age 14 or so).. and peoples attitude to grouping is mutch better, because its sometimes needed for survivability

so maby the childishness, flaming and arrogantsy comes from bored adults?

And the term "Go back to EQ" should really be used imo, because i have never played a game, where people are more arrogant than the EQ2 PVP server i played on for a while.  and because of that, i quited EQ2 totally.. and went back to WOW & LOTRO

and last.. The reason Mcdonalds is so big, is not because of the taste of the food, or the price of the food.. Its simply all about speed.. people want there food instant, and that is what mcdonalds gives us.. WOW have a lot in common, because there is few games that requires so little, and get so mutch..

- U get one of the best ui systems in any MMORPG imo.

- U can play it without a GFX card like ATI/Nvidia

where many outher mmos, requires a lot more, and u get fustration in return. its ok with customization, but when we end up using more time figuring out how stuff gonna look, rather than play the game.. than theres something wrong imo.

peace