Star Wars Galaxies

1. i never said thanks to me or anything. this was thanks to all of us. every vet player who soe lied too and the nge hurt. we have shown all mmo players what soe really is about.

2. if we keep pushing and fighting for it we will get our pre-cu system back. soe and la will have to give in to what we the vets want.

3. all of us vets here on the vet forums are the ones that really do care about the game. not the 14 year old fanbois that still play it. we care not them.

Originally posted by saay

 

Originally posted by salvaje

 

Originally posted by mdolsen

Originally posted by iwantmyswg

a friend of mine told me swg is now under 10k players. i want to thank all of you for we the vets have won the war. soe is now a joke of the gaming world and in the next few months will have to bring back pre-cu in order for swg to live.

i ask that everyone who can start pushing la into seeing that a roll back is the only way to save swg. and i ask that any nge fanboi now come out and tell us vets that we are right.

If by winning you meant that your favourite game, whose mythic pre-cu, pre-nge beginnings are pined for far and wide, is going down the tubes, never to return IN ANY FORM, then you are correct.  Enjoy.

 

We vets have had no choice but to adopt a "scorched earth" policy regarding SWG.  They won't give us our game back, so we've destroyed the NGE.

We voted with our feet.

They won't listen to us, so we starve them by denying them dollars.

 

Wow, you've truly demonstrated how disgusting humans can be - thanks for repeatedly attempting to ruin other's enjoyment

 

Unfortunately for you you've failed, you havent destroyed the NGE (if thats what you are still calling it)- you've failed, and it serves you right for failing to accept the realities of life.

Are you implying that all 200K of us "griefed" you fanbois by quitting?

And as far as trashing SOE, all we have to do is repeat their own words or point out their own actions.

The time to be reasonable with SOE, to reach out to them is long past.  We pleaded with them.  We begged them.  We offered compromise (give us classic, leave the NGE alone).  We were repeatedly insulted, ignored, talked down to, and abused at every single turn.  I went to the summits.  I tried talking to them personally.  I tried everything I could.  Communication and compromise only happens when you have two sides willing to engage in it.  SOE isn't willing to have an honest dialogue with it's player base, past and present, with all options on the table.

SOE lost us because they never made a SINGLE meaningful effort to keep us.  All they offered was an ultimatum:  Love the NGE or leave it.  So we left, but not quietly.

I'm over wishing for classic servers.  My game is never coming back.  I recognize this.  So, what I now want to see is the game close and, ultimately, SOE to close. 

The irony is that all that has to happen to ensure both happening is for Smed to NOT be fired, for the management to keep on doing exactly WHAT they are presently doing, and for them to NOT listen to any pleas for classic.  They are well past the point of even that being able to save them anyway.

You see, though I am regarded as a huge enemy of SOE, I am not their real enemy.  They aren't capable of seeing who their real enemy is....  Because it's themselves.

Any organization that pairs "Honest" John Smedley with Chris "I Had A" Cao is destined to fail and fail spectacularly.

I hope that no one who has oversight of them at Sony realizes this.  Please don't read my comments :)

Originally posted by thepatriot

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

 

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Everyone who logs into NGE destroys a bit of the SW Universe.

No SWG Pre-Cu, No money to the $OE suckers , simple and fair.

Hahahah!  SOE killed a bit of the SW universe when they launched SWG in the first place.  Pre-SWG was an interesting and at times great game that never should have been associated with Star Wars.  Tailors in Space is never how I imagined a SW MMO.

Supposed to be naked  while in space ?  Someone has to do the damn cloths business.

The model behind the idea is every item  in the MMO World should be created by players offered in a player driven market and economy.

Anything wrong with it ? PRE CU vets were part of a world they created. Current players are mostly part of  a developers game - like nerf that a bit and look oha pilots cry lol ok lemme change this a bit  haha didn't know that would happen to medics lol lemme change a bit  animal stats and specials  lol  the can't kill them now look ..rofl....

SOE lied to us repeatedly. Their sometimes criminal behavior is deplorable and offensive. But the current player base is even worse in my opinion.

If 99% of the players had quit immediately, SOE would have been forced to give us classic servers. Instead these people paid just enough to keep the NGE afloat and destroyed all hope of pre-cu.

The current players are as much my enemy as SOE and LA are. They foolishly reward SOE for disgusting immoral and unethical behavior. Shame on you.

I proudly admit my goal is to destroy SWG NGE and any player still paying for it. Im not selfish, those still playing are. They chose their own selfish fulfillment over the MMO community. They chose to ignore SOE breaking the cardinal rule of MMO's....NEVER CHANGE THE CORE ESSENCE OF THE GAME.

The current players risked destroying MMO's in general by continuing to play. Had the NGE been successful, Smedley wouldnt have apologized and other developers would be screwing over their communities as well. Thankfully SOE's nightmare experiement failed and thus reminded devs the world over that the cardinal rule must never be tampered with. 

It would be suuuuuuch poetic justice if SOE changed the game again to pre-cu or anything. The NGE fanbois would choke on their bile and I'll laugh and laugh.

So who is more selfish here, the vets who want the game shut down because they had their work tossed into the garbage and were lied to for years and years....or the NGE faithful who refuse to stop supporting a corporation that potentially could have destroyed the entire MMO industry ?

Ive been playing MMO's since the beginning. The one key aspect to an MMO is you can continually progress your avatar. Your hard work is literally saved and rewarded over the years. Its the essence of why we play MMO's and why its the cardinal rule that developers understand must NEVER be crossed. SOE broke that rule, spit on that trust, and the current players horrifically continue to play.

I will continue to work towards seeing SWG and SOE shut down. They stole my money and used it to develop a game and an expansion I didnt want. They took my money and used it to make something they knew I wouldnt like. They then went on national tv and made fun of me. Well Im the one laughing now SOE.

I will make sure and post on forums, reviews, in stores, wherever I can. if I take even just a single dollar from SOE's bank account Ive had a good day.

And for those who dont know the disgusting behavior from SOE, here is a post I made a while back...

1. SWG wont launch until its ready - SOE repeatedly told us this game wont launch until its ready to go. This early on was to include space, JTL wasnt ever supposed to be an expansion. Lets also not forget key components not included at launch like player cities, vehicles, and jedi. As a beta player, I still remember the notice in beta forum that the game was going gold in 2 weeks. Everyone agreed it was a huge mistake but SOE ignored us.

2. Jedi - We all know that jedi was NEVER possible at launch. Yet SOE made post after post dangling that carrot and offering encouragement. They told us to get married, explore every world, build a home, etc. It made some think that jedi was some random amazing quest to be discovered. Soon though we learned the truth when SOE patched in several .tre files with obvious jedi implications 5 months after launch. Then the day after a patch several unlocked all at once.

3. Rebel Theme Park - Sorta ties into # 1 as it wasnt ready either. However SOE repeatedly lied about the theme park. If you recall, it was broken after Han's quests. Han tells us to seek out Lt. Lance on Dantooine, but there isnt any Lt. Lance anywhere. SOE tells us its working as intended despite nobody having found Lt. Lance after months and month of looking (my guild personally had several major expedition searches done over many weekends looking for him). Suddenly we learn the truth after a patch...Han now tells us to seek out Ackbar on Dantooine and the once empty abandoned rebel base now has several rebel nps in there. My guild who had followed the game for years in development was soooo pissed off they immediately disbanded and quit.

4. two part lie -

A. The Combat upgrade (curb) was top priority - Remember how SOE told us over and over again that the CURB was its number 1 focus. It would be first to get completed over the JTL expansion.

B. There were two separate teams working on JTL and the CURB.

We later learn both are lies. JTL gets pushed over the combat fixes AND we find out the CURB team has been merged with the JTL team. Whats really insulting is SOE goes on a PR campaign and tells the public that we players demanded JTL first. Another fat lie as every poll posted strongly stated we wanted the CURB first.

5. Combat Revamp - whatever you want to call it, this was meant as a reward for the vets who stayed around and played a broken game. Talk about a slap in the face when SOE announces the CU...a system as the devs told me at Celebration 3 was meant to "have a more broad appeal". This was SOE's 1st attempt at screwing over its current community for the wow crowd. All the promised fixes never happened. The armorsmith rep quit and was banned after he started a massive protest over changes they never asked for. In fact the CU brings in many more bugs than it fixes and never balanced anything.

6. The CU is here to stay - Smedley comes and makes his first post on swg forums asking for calm and patience. He states that in 6 months the cu will be working as intended so give them time to make things right. FAT LIE...during that time the NGE is either in design stages or already being worked on.

7. FRS - CU disables the end-game for jedi, our force ranking system. SOE tells us its being worked on. Later they state its al most done and just awaits final approval from LA. Of course we learn there wont ever be a FRS system and the nerfs we've been getting oover the past 6 months were done on purpose to weaken jedi into a regular class. For me personally, this is one of the more disgusting lies as it was obviously done to keep us jedi players paying.

8. Jabba Palace disappears - The last patch before the NGE garbage makes Jabba's palace completely disappear. SOE acts surprised and promises a fix is coming..another fat lie as we learn why after the nge hits. Jabba's palace was taken out to implement th new nge quests.

9. village breaks - Same patch breaks the village and the old man stops visiting people. SOE again lies to cover its tracks and tells us its being looked at. Of course it was just a cover for the nge.

10. Expansion - SOE presells an expansion with several promised features. One desired item is a creature handler necklace that will allow for the taming of higher lvl pets. Im not sure if that necklace was ever found but it didnt matter because 1 stinkin day after the nge launched Torres of LA announces the revamp of the game and removal of over 24 professions.

11. starter kit - SOE tells us the starter kit is an eroneous listing and will be removed. They deny the rumors of impending changes.

12. SOE tells us fixes will be faster. SOE says the whole reason behind the nge was to make balancing the game easier and would allow for faster publish fixes. In fact, it has slowed the game down to a crawl as publishes now seem to come every 4 months as opposed to almost monthly before the nge.

13. smuggler revamp - this one could have its own page on broken promises and lies.

14. Capitol ships - a dev at a fanfest shows the players capitol ships he has been working on. Later on SOE tells (months and months later) that it was just a dev fooling around with his laptop and this was never being considered. Of course SOE could have tol the players this months earlier rather than ignore the posts asking for more information. To flyboys, the capitol ship dream was their FRS system...ie end-game content they so very much wanted. It didnt hurt SOE to once again lie a little and let people keep paying while they waited for features that would never ever happen.

15. profession revamps - ranger comes to my mind foremost because my alt was a master ranger for years. It was painful to see rangers slowly dwindling in numbers as the profession remained broken forever. I still recall one of the camo kits (i think it was for Lok) required a type of meat to contruct, only problem was that meat didnt even exist ! And the final tease, SOE says ranger is the next revamp coming in the next publish...oops the next publish turned out to be the NGE.

Then there were the professions that got sorely needed revamps weeks before the nge hit. Why did SOE even bother to revamp squad leader if they were going to turn around and remove the profession entirely a few weeks later ? Maybe it was a case of the left hand not knowing what the right hand was doing.

16. Broken quests - How many times did SOE tell us a fix was in the works and it either never came or it took a year to do. And even when they finally did fix something like the Hermit quests, they turn right around and re-break them weeks later. My personal pet peeve for broken quests was the ones at the gungan sacred place. It pissed me off that not only were the quests incomplete, one of the npc's chat bubble was blank ! How tough would it have been to code in some simple words ? These quests were broken in beta, remained busted through launch right up to the nge.

The NGE broke several old quests as well. When I tried the 21 day free trial I started the krayt skull quests, some of my favorites with a great storyline. I got to the last part where I needed to talk to Darklighter only to my surprise he has no chat option. The NGE is 1 year old and Im assuming this quest remains broken, pathetic.

17. 6 month promises - Smedley has repeatedly made the 6 month promise for fixes. His very 1st post following the CU debacle asked the players to give SOE 6 months to get things fully working. He then makes the same promise after the NGE launches, needing 6 more months. Ironically, the post after nge is almost identical to the cu one (asking for time to fix things) and yet somehow the gullible desperate players buy into it AGAIN. Later SOE promises major revamps to each profession each coming within a month or two o each other. Later after MONTHS of no publishes and silence (the swg forums were literally rioting), SOE announces yet ANOTHER series of profession revamps. Typically, the pathetic player base thanks SOE devs in posts for answering their concerns. A year into the NGE, it remains broken, unfinished, with no end in site.

18. Item Conversion - Recall that the players were very concerned over losing their gear with the coming CU. We were repeatedly told that everything would convert properly. If you had an exceptional weapon with amazing stats, it would convert to an equal type of weapon for the CU. They were full of crap though and not only did our exceptional weapons and armor NOT convert properly, in many cases we now couldnt even equip them anymore !!!

CA's and AA's didnt convert because SOE took out several stats like dizzy, knockdown, the poison and disease resists, etc. Players that spent years and millions of credits to collect were overnight ruined. The final insult in classic SOE fashion, SOE adds in melee def and ranged def clothing that tailors can craft. They didnt even bother to take into account the thousands of players who spent their credits by the millions to get these things as ca/aa drops. A +12 melee def tape would possibly sell for 15-20 million, 1 day after the cu and a player now can buy a shirt with +17 melee AND ranged defense !!! So much for really being concerned with ca/aa conversions.

RIS Armor - Not only did the conversion for this armor become crap, it also got very common. I and some friends of mine were the few around who had even had any ris armor. Before the revamps, RIS armor was something one could try and get as a trophy to their hard work and dedication. Plus it took real skill to get. You had to know where the components dropped. You had to know spawn rates. You had to know where to find the giant dune kimos. You had to find addon components like shards to boost the completed armor's stats. In essence, it was a lot of hard work for players that yet again was totally tossed out the door. My ris helmet once had offers of 15 million credits, suddenly its for sale on vendors for 15k bleh.

BE Tissues - nge takes out bio-engineers and their tissues that make chef foods better. Now something that was once extremely common is the rarest most sought after item by crafters. And since food is a consumable, eventually there will be no more bio tissues around.

The theme here of course is SOE didnt give a damn about how their revamps would hurt or help their CURRENT community. I seriously doubt based on the evidence that they even looked at the changes, much less tried to ensure the conversion wouldnt screw us.

19. pearl drops - sometime into the cu pearl drops got really messed up. At first, over a weekend flawless and premium pearls are dropping like crazy and not just off krayts. Soon SOE hotpatches a "fix" in to correct whatever they were trying to fix before and the pearls stop dropping. Now premiums and flawless dont drop anymore. SOE responds to player concerns by telling them its working as intended. Later they admit there "might" be a problem but there were other things more important to fix. SOE lies and promises its being looked into.

According to my source, the pearl drops were broken or gated on purpose. This was done to remove the elite power items so jedi could be better balanced for the nge. I hear sometime after the nge the premium pearls were added back in but flawless never came back.

20. Gating content - According to a source who wrote a letter to CBS newsbag, SOE purposely gates its content to finish it. In other words, SOE breaks something to hide the fact that it remains unfinished. Why would SOE do this ? Well according to this person, it was done to basically use player subscription fees to pay for the finished development of that content. This source reported that this was done repeatedly for EQ1 expansions. Devs would then lie on the forums claiming that a fix was being worked on when in fact it was busted on purpose.

This of course is outrageous but not unexpected by SOE. To take subscriber money and finish something that the money from the expansion was already supposed to have paid for is unforgivable. Smedley responded on some other site he posts on that this was a fabrication and SOE had (allow me to quote) never once released an unfinished product to the public LOL. This same person later admits the nge is unfinished...oh and the CU is unfinished...my oh my how the lies grow.

You aren't right. Any game will die sooner or later. It's just that you SWG vets would wait forever to say that you won, when and if SWG goes under.