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  Xenduli

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OP  1/14/08 1:16:56 PM#1

Tough question if you stop to think about it, because a lot of the MMO's now are casual friendly. Is Vanguard the most hardcore right now? [my PC can't handle it, oh well] My first thought was EVE-Online, but actually it isn't because there is no "grinding" as such, yet the PvP part is arguably the harshest.

Just want to get an idea what everyone thinks is still the most hardcore MMO, in terms of everything, PvP, 'accessible' etc. I guess when AoC is released that could be called hardcore [but that's a different type of hardcore :p].

Does an MMO with a lower population make it more hardcore, because the economy is bonkers, there aren't enough players and resources?

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  Zaxx99

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1/14/08 1:20:12 PM#2

I'd have to say that Asheron's Call on the Darktide server is the most hardcore, especially if you don't belong to a good guild that can help you level and stuff these days.

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  Shoal

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1/14/08 1:20:54 PM#3

I think you are incorrect.

EVE is currently the Hardcore baseline.

Full FFA PvP

Massive player driven Economy

Plenty of 'Grinding' if you want that sort of play.

Only thing it does not have is 'Permadeath'.

And if you really want that, you can do it yourself.

You get Podded without a Clone, delete your character.

  Orihuela

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1/14/08 1:44:16 PM#4

Lineage II !

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  Kanuvani

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1/14/08 1:45:36 PM#5

EVE Online...big time!!

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1/14/08 1:46:27 PM#6

For pure PvE, I'd have to go with FFXI.  It's probably the best pure PvE game out there, but it requires a lot of time and is very challenging.

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1/14/08 1:50:27 PM#7

Lineage 2 will kick your as* backwards and forwards...twice...then again for fun. Its made by people who hate you and want you to suffer.

Everything is hardcore in L2. F*cking swinging your sword cost money.

 

  Czzarre

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1/14/08 1:51:01 PM#8

I dont believe that any one game is more hard core than another. I believe it all comes back to the player him/herself. Its based on your expectations of a game ..Is your desire to be the best, have the rarest gear, be the #1 in PvP? If so, that game is going to be hard core. If your expectation is just having fun with friends, chatting, maybe throwing a group together...then its not

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1/14/08 2:00:22 PM#9

Out of the games I"ve played, I'd have to say FFXI would be the most hardcore, with EQ coming in a close second.

  User Deleted
1/14/08 2:24:41 PM#10

you have the option to be so in WurmOnline.

 

150+ skills to get up to 99.999... which no one has reached in any one skill after about half a year.

after that you also have a permadeath option that a few people actually take.

  Zaxx99

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1/14/08 2:27:39 PM#11

Actually.. come to think of it..

The most hardcore game BY FAR is none of these...

It's easily "Entropia Universe".

This game will cost you money. Not just a little either. To actually play the game and equip yourself and buy a decent gun and armor and stuff will cost you like $40 I think. Then fighting your armor will wear out anf require repairs (more real money) and your gun will run out of ammo (more real money). If you are lucky and good, you'll kill a few mobs and maybe get about $1.00 worth of crap off of those mobs.

But just think, if you skill up, it'll prolly only cost you about $10,000 or more to get halfway skilled when you can kill some of the more deadly mobs and perhaps find $20 worth of loot per kill. LOL.

The sad thing is that I am really not exaggerating that much at all.

And THAT is true hardcore to invest in a game like that. It IS fun, I'll admit that. But it is BY FAR the most hardcore game I've ever played.


- Zaxx

  User Deleted
1/14/08 2:32:49 PM#12

real life.

forced perma death, learning new skills takes a lot of time, officially having those skills so you can rise on the class ranking can cost the upwards and beyond 40,000 per year,  cybering can also involve getting a baby which you then have to take care of for the next 20 something years.

  Zaxx99

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1/14/08 2:44:22 PM#13


Originally posted by paulscott
real life.
forced perma death, learning new skills takes a lot of time, officially having those skills so you can rise on the class ranking can cost the upwards and beyond 40,000 per year, cybering can also involve getting a baby which you then have to take care of for the next 20 something years.

Yeh, but I hate it when you can't cast magic spells like fireballs and ice blasts from your bare hands, and "real life" just doesn't have that kinda magic system in place. No fun! Graphics are top-notch tho! LOL.


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  Sharajat

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1/14/08 2:49:25 PM#14
Originally posted by zaxtor99

 


Originally posted by paulscott
real life.
forced perma death, learning new skills takes a lot of time, officially having those skills so you can rise on the class ranking can cost the upwards and beyond 40,000 per year, cybering can also involve getting a baby which you then have to take care of for the next 20 something years.

 

Yeh, but I hate it when you can't cast magic spells like fireballs and ice blasts from your bare hands, and "real life" just doesn't have that kinda magic system in place. No fun! Graphics are top-notch tho! LOL.


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Really?  Most of the screenshots I've seen seem 'shopped.    

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  Sheista

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1/14/08 2:50:36 PM#15

EVE and FFXI.  Either is harder than the other but in different aspects.

  Xenduli

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OP  1/14/08 2:56:27 PM#16

Great choices so far (Esp RL ha-ha!!).

Just been reading up on FFXI, is that the only MMO where you can actually lose levels?

Hmm are there no raids or "partys" in FFXI?

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  Godliest

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1/14/08 3:00:46 PM#17


Originally posted by paulscott
real life.
forced perma death, learning new skills takes a lot of time, officially having those skills so you can rise on the class ranking can cost the upwards and beyond 40,000 per year, cybering can also involve getting a baby which you then have to take care of for the next 20 something years.

Too lacking in endgame content imo. You never really get maxed out. You're only top notch at around lvl 20 and then you're either high or drunk all the time. Rising in class ranking takes ages too, you're pretty much dead when you reach the highest levels. A huge time sink too, if you don't log on often enough your character will die out of starvation or simply from his bladder exploding.



  devils_hymn

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1/14/08 3:21:21 PM#18

diablo 2 lod hardmode on the hardest difficulty with a rushed lvl 1

  Gurkz

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1/14/08 3:33:40 PM#19

L2 hands down no one even comes close.  I have played some of the others and they are a nice walk in the park compaired to L2.  It would take you 4 years of hardcore play to level to max level.  On top of that pvp is very unforgiving.  I dont even know if the game is possible without buying adena/pl.


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1/14/08 3:48:30 PM#20
Originally posted by zaxtor99

 


Originally posted by paulscott
real life.
forced perma death, learning new skills takes a lot of time, officially having those skills so you can rise on the class ranking can cost the upwards and beyond 40,000 per year, cybering can also involve getting a baby which you then have to take care of for the next 20 something years.

 

Yeh, but I hate it when you can't cast magic spells like fireballs and ice blasts from your bare hands, and "real life" just doesn't have that kinda magic system in place. No fun! Graphics are top-notch tho! LOL.


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Yea the Dev team says that there is a bug in the F.A.I.T.H system that was around since patch No. 0001 BC which was patched in when the last Messiah heroic class died.

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