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Originally posted by Sroek
Darkfall isn't the only game I follow, so it wouldn't be that much of a disappointment if it never released. If you read my post just prior to this one you'll understand why I follow it. I'm just not into mass market MMOs, I'm into specific ones tailored to my needs, and Darkfall just happens to meet all of the criteria.
There's enough information and evidence to suggest that Darkfall won't be just another sub-par gaming experience. I do my research, unlike the typical blind follower who can't see past the surface of a videogame.

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Okay, fair enough. Might I ask you a genuine question then? When do you honestly expect this game to actually release? {Please don't throw things at me.. just a question!}

- Zaxx

Likely prognosis:

Darkfall will either be cancelled or released as a bloatware stinker that is not a relevant choice to the gaming public.

I have been following the game since 2001, my personal interest and excitement for the title ended in late 2003. Too many excuses, missed deadlines and indaquate PR. This game might as well be called Duke Nukem Online.

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Originally posted by Hrothmund Likely prognosis: Darkfall will either be cancelled or released as a bloatware stinker that is not a relevant choice to the gaming public. I ahve been following the title since 2001, my personal interest and excitement for the title ended in late 2003. Too many excuses, missed deadlines and indaquate PR. This game might as well be called Duke Nukem Online.

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I agree 100% Let's assume that the game actually does release in another freakin' two years or some BS... Now look at just "some" of the promises that this game is making..

- Being able to craft ANYTHING. Armor. Weapons. Ships. Buildings. Towns.
- Full siege warfare.
- 100% Skill-based combat.
- Servers supporting 10,000 players at once with a huge world that has been drawn completely by hand and not using any randomly generated terrain.
- Full loot on every corpse (mobs and players) Imagine the number of items this game will have to keep track of with 10,000 potential players online PLUS all the dead mobs!
- Anything in the game can be crafted and destroyed. (even more crap that the game will need to keep track of)

...I think that even Blizzard with all of its resources, money, and experience would be hard pressed to meet the demands of the promises this game is making.

But for "Adventurine" with like 27 people or whatever, accomplishing all of this is no problem huh? Come on.

If this game actually releases and delivers even HALF of what it promises that works, then it will truly be another epic "David vs Goliath" type of story. And I will bow down, in total disbelief on that moment and acknowledge all who made it happen. ..And try to pinch myself thinking I'm having some stupid dream ofcourse.

A very wise man once said "Expect too much of anything, and you are surely bound to be disappointed in the end". Lot of truth in that, and I honestly think it applies here very well.

- Zaxx

see the fact you dont understand just well makes like you just saying it cause it threatens something else you like if it truly was fake, vaporwware, all lies

YOU WOULDNT EVEN HAVE TO WASTE YOUR TIME POSTING THIS CRAP
SO IN RETURNED IT MAKES YOU LOOK STUPID( not saying you are but WHY take the chance and be himmiliated when you could just not bother)
 

it makes more sence to follow a game than to try to defunk it but if you follow it to closly you end up as bitter as you are now zaxter why do that to your self?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Phantom_(game_system)

I would say this is probably the "biggest, most hyped, vaporware that ever existed"...Hell by their continuing announcements it actually sounds like they are still trying to make it...

EDIT: Check the wiki, I'm not saying Darkfall is the biggest. :P

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Originally posted by Deivos

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Phantom_(game_system)

I would say this is probably the "biggest, most hyped, vaporware that ever existed"...Hell by their continuing announcements it actually sounds like they are still trying to make it...

EDIT: Check the wiki, I'm not saying Darkfall is the biggest. :P

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Duke Nukem Forever is the biggest vaporware ever announced.

I have to agree with most of you guys who think it is vaporware. Despite me, who followed DnL from almost day one, till its downfall... I'm spectical about DF aswell. But I do not believe it is vaporware, simply as that.

I'm not a DF Fanboy, but I really like the concept, and I support the people trying to make a game like that. And I hope to see other developers that would like to compete on this niche market.
I don't believe that crap about them saying "We don't want to make videos because we don't have time". But I do believe there are someone trying to make a decent game... And that is what makes it differ from vaporware. If you have read the DF forum lately, you would see things are started moving. Hell, even DnL had pre-order of the Pioneer game, like 1 year prior to it's release... I haven't heard the DF team demanding money, in order to finish their project.

exactully its fine if your skiptic  im worried it will have mroe bugs than they expected under load but we will see on that

on them not asking for money = my question again why bother now if they was putting out preorders as of right now then ill be a bit more worried XD : )

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Originally posted by Killershiver

on them not asking for money = my question again why bother now if they was putting out preorders as of right now then ill be a bit more worried XD : )

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Thanks for highlighting my point.

Honestly, I just think some people are slightly envious that Darkfall followers have chosen the right game to publicly support, as opposed to Mourning, D&L, Wish, Vanguard, etc.

A massive game like Darkfall should take this long to develop, especially since it's produced by an independent team. It shows that they have patience and are refusing to release a scaled down version of their original concept out of financial greed.

It'll most likely reach the same level of commercial success as EVE in its early days and will continue to grow over time. The beauty of Darkfall is that it's not competing with any MMORPG, it's only competing with itself. All of the people wanting a sandbox, dynamic gaming experience in a persistent world know why Darkfall will be a masterpiece and that's all that matters.

Originally posted by Sroek

Honestly, I just think some people are slightly envious that Darkfall followers have chosen the right game to publicly support, as opposed to Mourning, D&L, Wish, Vanguard, etc.

A massive game like Darkfall should take this long to develop, especially since it's produced by an independent team. It shows that they have patience and are refusing to release a scaled down version of their original concept out of financial greed.

It'll most likely reach the same level of commercial success as EVE in its early days and will continue to grow over time. The beauty of Darkfall is that it's not competing with any MMORPG, it's only competing with itself. All of the people wanting a sandbox, dynamic gaming experience in a persistent world know why Darkfall will be a masterpiece and that's all that matters.

 

Not just a river in Egypt!  

Originally posted by Sroek

Honestly, I just think some people are slightly envious that Darkfall followers have chosen the right game to publicly support, as opposed to Mourning, D&L, Wish, Vanguard, etc. A big assumption here

A massive game like Darkfall should take this long to develop, yes but by now there should be real evidence of progress. especially since it's produced by an independent team. It shows that they have patience and are refusing to release a scaled down version of their original concept out of financial greed. Actually it shows at best that they have the minimum number of devs and have a budget budget

It'll most likely reach the same level of commercial success as EVE in its early days and will continue to grow over time. A bit early to say really has to go beta first. The beauty of Darkfall is that it's not competing with any MMORPG, it's only competing with itself. Ryzome comes to mind as well as Wurm  but we do need more true sandboxes.All of the people wanting a sandbox, dynamic gaming experience in a persistent world know why Darkfall will be a masterpiece and that's all that matters. Assuming it actually gets finished.

 

So one important question that comes to mind is who is publishing this game?

For me the more interresting opint would be, how can people keep complaining about the level of hype while most people I spek to in games have never heard of it?

The vast, vast majority of threads in this forum alone in regards to its hype would be those calling it VW. This being the case you are left questioning their motives for continual posts along the same lines and get the feeling they are closet fanbois.

I call upon you Jehovah to cleanse us from the vapors and myst , to bring with you salvation from that which promises us the MMO world yet nay delivers on it's promises year after year after year.  

 - Psalm 34. Of 28days

I agree zaxtor99.  I think they should get proof that it is really being developed or remove it from the site.
Remember the Phantom gaming console?  Fake product - real scam.  I think they got about 20 million from investors for a product the never existed.

Originally posted by Sroek

 

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Originally posted by Roin

 

Let's see. People have actually tried AoC before. I can go buy old magazines from various people that track games, and see hand-on thoughts about it. Hell I can even try to track down a thread of someone using a peeing emote in AoC for you. You could youtube AoC and find video's of someone playing AoC using a Xbox360 controller while explaining game mechanics. That's tangible.

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Of course you have. However, it's still "vaporware" according to the anti-Darkfall alliance's definition of the term. AoC is produced by funcom, a pretty well known company, whereas DF is produced by Aventurine SA, an independent company from Greece. It doesn't take that much brainpower to understand that AoC has higher production values and will be covered extensively by the media in order to promote the game.

AoC is all flash and very little subtance. DF is a relatively underground game with one goal in mind, absolute player-driven dynamics.

 

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Originally posted by Roin

Darkfall on other hand. Have you ever met anyone creditable that's played it? Seen a creditable hand-on preview? Seen a movie of someone playing it? If you can please feel free to drop those links right here in this thread. Because otherwise, yes Darkfall is vaporeware, as there is no tangible proof that the game actually even exist.
Hell even Duke Nukem Forever had a very real video and magazine coverage, that actually proved it was being worked on. Yet you think people should just go off some developers word, that so far has produced nothing to date, to offer up as proof.

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I have actually. Valiant effort to prove me wrong, though. You see, I've actually taken the time to read up on the game, instead of looking at the frontpage of their website for a few seconds. Since you asked for it, I'll even give you a few links:

http://df.warcry.com/news/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LC0KrZO79g
http://youtube.com/watch?v=nU2ta1EsggE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuLeQkTj074

 

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Originally posted by Roin
If you were an investor you would be the easiest mark for a con man. Gullible in the most extreme sense of the word.

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If I were an investor, I wouldn't invest that much money or money at all into Darkfall because it doesn't appeal to the mass market. Though, as a gamer, I would invest my time into Darkfall because it meets the criteria of an MMO I desire.

So let me get this straight.  Your proof (going off the links you provided) are video's, that if I'm not mistaken are the same ones that have been floating around for a year or more.  Pretty sure i've seen them before, as people love to make Darkfall threads, been here since 2003 seen alot of them.

As for your "Warcry" link.   Yeah... those dev journals are really creditable.

Looking under Overview, Editorials, and Previews didn't show much either.  Come on where's the real proof?  No spots on G4, No mention at SpikeTV VGA's, No real coverage in any game magazine.  Sorry a deveoplers words are worth a grain of salt in my eyes.  Where's the proof from people that stand to gain nothing from Darkfall Online coverage.

No offense to Warcry or their Staff, but their site for Darfall just gives even more belief to the comments of it being vaporware.  You click on Overview and the first thing you see is:

"Darkfall is a hardcore, action-oriented MMORPG first announced in August 2001. Developed by Aventurine SA out of Greece, Darkfall promises real-time combat in the gritty and seamless fantasy world of Agon."

GG

LF a guild/clan in Darkfall for release, pst kthx

Originally posted by Roin

 

Originally posted by Sroek

 

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Originally posted by Roin

 

Let's see. People have actually tried AoC before. I can go buy old magazines from various people that track games, and see hand-on thoughts about it. Hell I can even try to track down a thread of someone using a peeing emote in AoC for you. You could youtube AoC and find video's of someone playing AoC using a Xbox360 controller while explaining game mechanics. That's tangible.

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Of course you have. However, it's still "vaporware" according to the anti-Darkfall alliance's definition of the term. AoC is produced by funcom, a pretty well known company, whereas DF is produced by Aventurine SA, an independent company from Greece. It doesn't take that much brainpower to understand that AoC has higher production values and will be covered extensively by the media in order to promote the game.

AoC is all flash and very little subtance. DF is a relatively underground game with one goal in mind, absolute player-driven dynamics.

 

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Originally posted by Roin

Darkfall on other hand. Have you ever met anyone creditable that's played it? Seen a creditable hand-on preview? Seen a movie of someone playing it? If you can please feel free to drop those links right here in this thread. Because otherwise, yes Darkfall is vaporeware, as there is no tangible proof that the game actually even exist.
Hell even Duke Nukem Forever had a very real video and magazine coverage, that actually proved it was being worked on. Yet you think people should just go off some developers word, that so far has produced nothing to date, to offer up as proof.

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I have actually. Valiant effort to prove me wrong, though. You see, I've actually taken the time to read up on the game, instead of looking at the frontpage of their website for a few seconds. Since you asked for it, I'll even give you a few links:

http://df.warcry.com/news/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LC0KrZO79g
http://youtube.com/watch?v=nU2ta1EsggE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuLeQkTj074

 

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Originally posted by Roin
If you were an investor you would be the easiest mark for a con man. Gullible in the most extreme sense of the word.

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If I were an investor, I wouldn't invest that much money or money at all into Darkfall because it doesn't appeal to the mass market. Though, as a gamer, I would invest my time into Darkfall because it meets the criteria of an MMO I desire.

 

So let me get this straight.  Your proof (going off the links you provided) are video's, that if I'm not mistaken are the same ones that have been floating around for a year or more.  Pretty sure i've seen them before, as people love to make Darkfall threads, been here since 2003 seen alot of them.

As for your "Warcry" link.   Yeah... those dev journals are really creditable.

Looking under Overview, Editorials, and Previews didn't show much either.  Come on where's the real proof?  No spots on G4, No mention at SpikeTV VGA's, No real coverage in any game magazine.  Sorry a deveoplers words are worth a grain of salt in my eyes.  Where's the proof from people that stand to gain nothing from Darkfall Online coverage.

No offense to Warcry or their Staff, but their site for Darfall just gives even more belief to the comments of it being vaporware.  You click on Overview and the first thing you see is:

"Darkfall is a hardcore, action-oriented MMORPG first announced in August 2001. Developed by Aventurine SA out of Greece, Darkfall promises real-time combat in the gritty and seamless fantasy world of Agon."

GG

You realize that media coverage is simply promotional work for a game that has to meet corporate deadlines? Darkfall is an independent project which doesn't have as much time and resources as say, funcom, the company behind AoC. It's under the radar, my friend... or do you just follow mainstream games?

2 weeks

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Originally posted by Killershiver
SO IN RETURNED IT MAKES YOU LOOK STUPID

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I love irony.

Originally posted by Sroek

You realize that media coverage is simply promotional work for a game that has to meet corporate deadlines? Darkfall is an independent project which doesn't have as much time and resources as say, funcom, the company behind AoC. It's under the radar, my friend... or do you just follow mainstream games?

Many crashed planes are under the radar.  Doesn't mean they're, y'know, FLYING.