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  Azure77

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1/13/08 12:00:54 AM#41

   Full Open PvP died the day Shadowbane was release. All the greats , Korean , American and Euro have gone away quietly like a bad dream. There is no market for Open Pvp , as investors will tell you, if youre not aiming for 7 million+ units sold/downloaded they wont touch you with a ten foot pole.

    In 2001 , 350k was the target number and acceptable profit time was 2 to 3 years. But now , they want profit time of 1 year which leads to incomplete projects and rushed development. without funding you cant make a game , without a target audience you cant make money.

       If it comes out , I perdict it will have a large draw for 2 or 3 months , then drop 80% in the first 6 months with turnover rates as high as 90%. I dont believe this market can allow a true PVP game to grow , there are just too many choices if you get killed by an overpower class / high lvl.

          I think it would be nice if they did release, and made waves , but I highly doubt they will. Its not to say the game will never be released , its just the odds are greater for me to win the lotto.

  User Deleted
1/13/08 12:26:53 AM#42

 


Originally posted by METALDRAG0N

 

He he i hit another sore point it seems.


 

 

Not really. It's just irritating when someone talks about a subject that they have inadequate knowledge of, which became apparent as soon as you said Darkfall only has a few material on display to promote their game, which is completely false.

 


Originally posted by Pynda

 

Actually, Metaldragun's post was the most sensible I've seen in this thread. But I'd put it more like this.
There is no doubt whatsoever that Darkfall is a Pre-Alpha MMORPG. So if you're an optimist, go with the assumption that Darkfall is still years away from release. But it's also not unreasonable to call a project that has been Pre-Alpha for seven years vaporware.
Bottom line, both of these realities suck almost equally. Therefore - as has been said by many other posters - it's almost certainly a complete waste of energy getting emotionally invested in Darkfall at this time.


 

 

The game's in Alpha stage, not Pre-Alpha. Journalists who've paid a visit to Aventurine SA's offices in Athens have written up in-depth progress reports on Darkfall's development and their impressions on the latest build of the game has exceeded many of their expectations.


Mind you, it's not my intent to bring hype to this game, it's just the only MMORPG I feel will be worth playing at all, as none has peaked my interest since early UO, pre-CU SWG and Dransik iso/AE.

 

 


Originally posted by Azure77

Full Open PvP died the day Shadowbane was release. All the greats , Korean , American and Euro have gone away quietly like a bad dream. There is no market for Open Pvp , as investors will tell you, if youre not aiming for 7 million+ units sold/downloaded they wont touch you with a ten foot pole.
In 2001 , 350k was the target number and acceptable profit time was 2 to 3 years. But now , they want profit time of 1 year which leads to incomplete projects and rushed development. without funding you cant make a game , without a target audience you cant make money.
If it comes out , I perdict it will have a large draw for 2 or 3 months , then drop 80% in the first 6 months with turnover rates as high as 90%. I dont believe this market can allow a true PVP game to grow , there are just too many choices if you get killed by an overpower class / high lvl.
I think it would be nice if they did release, and made waves , but I highly doubt they will. Its not to say the game will never be released , its just the odds are greater for me to win the lotto.

 

 


 


Darkfall is a skill and twitch-based MMO. There are no levels/classes.

  ladyattis

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1/13/08 12:35:15 AM#43

I think it's a good thing they're being as quiet as they are, considering how hype often goes more to the head of developers than it does the fan boys. For example, I haven't heard much about Infinity: Quest for Earth, but if you ever pop in on their forum, there is lots of chatter about features, lore, and user opinion(s) on that MMO. Both products have a very unlikely chance of getting out the door, not necessarily because of lack of avid developers, rather a lack of publishers and capital for the initial release of the games. That being said, it shouldn't be a downer if DF never makes it, if the developers themselves explain why, and possibly release the source code if possible.

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  U-Turn

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1/13/08 12:46:11 AM#44

Darkfall is a Urban Legend.

  Salvatoris

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1/13/08 12:51:40 AM#45

If it ever does release, I bet it will have all the critical and financial success of Darkfall or Mourning.   Why anyone is on the edge of their seat waiting for this game to launch is beyond me.

  User Deleted
1/13/08 12:59:46 AM#46

Nobody is, Salvatoris. We just want to play an MMORPG worth our time, period.

Furthermore, the "Darkfall crowd" wasn't interested in D&L or Mourning.

  Zyllos

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1/13/08 1:00:54 AM#47

ladyattis, nice sig! Nothing like Assembly...

Either way, I agree with your post. People come out with crazy ideas and others might love them for it but if nobody is willing to help (financially) push that idea out of the door, that that idea is just sitting dead in the water.

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  Killershiver

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1/13/08 1:08:04 AM#48

lol pre alpha ok you really know what your talking about yea this is going to be great when it comes back bitting you in the ass well more than 1 of you and you know who you are

this is a thought if the game was really vapor why would you even bother posting calling it vapor it really pethetic seems to me you either payed, or there is something wrong with you if it so wrong to want a game to come out

meh its your choice but you guys dont really act your age which is kinda alarming : /

  User Deleted
1/13/08 1:13:51 AM#49

Look at  tabula rasa  look how long that MMO has been in development

so maybe  darkfall will come out

  Killershiver

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1/13/08 1:16:30 AM#50

(meh) there to much evidence theres a game) and its going to release this year or at least go beta

but ieither 1 there fanboys of another game and DF threatens it , 2 payed to defunk it, or like i said have some serious issue and need a sychologist spelliing ... AKA Dr. PHILL lol

but hey what do i know, but you can tell who is just someone that impatient or is just trying to cause trouble

 

and btw did mourning even release meh i dont think so cause he triad scamming people with thrones of chaos and then got foiuund out then started harrasing the DF devs

  User Deleted
1/13/08 1:28:13 AM#51

Originally posted by Killershiver

(meh) there to much evidence theres a game) and its going to release this year or at least go beta

but ieither 1 there fanboys of another game and DF threatens it , 2 payed to defunk it, or like i said have some serious issue and need a sychologist spelliing ...

but hey what do i know, but you can tell who is just someone that impatient or is just trying to cause trouble

 

and btw did mourning even release meh i dont think so cause he triad scamming people with thrones of chaos and then got foiuund out then started harrasing the DF devs

They'll only support a game if it's 99% complete, has pretty graphics and/or is promoted like a summer blockbuster movie. The philosophy of an MMO's fundamental design has no factor in their tastes.

  Killershiver

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1/13/08 2:46:22 AM#52

yep if i upset anyone ill gladly give you a hug and say its ok

  Bladin

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1/13/08 4:28:34 AM#53

Originally posted by Killershiver

(meh) there to much evidence theres a game) and its going to release this year or at least go beta

but ieither 1 there fanboys of another game and DF threatens it , 2 payed to defunk it, or like i said have some serious issue and need a sychologist spelliing ... AKA Dr. PHILL lol

but hey what do i know, but you can tell who is just someone that impatient or is just trying to cause trouble

This exact post was made 3 years ago.  WE are no closer to any real evidence now.  Why is this year the year, because you want it to be?

  Pynda

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1/13/08 4:35:13 AM#54


Journalists who've paid a visit to Aventurine SA's offices in Athens have written up in-depth progress reports on Darkfall's development and their impressions on the latest build of the game has exceeded many of their expectations.


Wasn't it just one journalist? And wasn't this in fact not an accredited journalist at all, but just some dude who happened to once be an an officer in a large player guild? Even I can claim that credential.

Anyway..., this is my understanding. But I admit I could be wrong. I'm not a Darkfall fanatic (yet).

  zaxtor99

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OP  1/13/08 4:54:57 AM#55


Originally posted by Fadedbomb
Ever seen such one-sided, obviously you can only pick these because they sound good, if you disagree with my side this poll makes you sound like a fanboi, poll?

Hmmm, I wonder why I'd be "biased" as you say against "Darkfall"...

Let's see...

- Original 2003 Release Date was posted on the Darkfall website way back in 2001.

- FIVE YEARS after its initial promised release date, they haven't even started a freakin' beta yet and still only have what... ONE movie?!???

- FIVE YEARS after its proposed release date, we still have fanbois like you still foaming at the mouth saying things like "They only gotta tweak this and tweak that and it will start the beta!" {rolls eyes}

- FIVE YEARS after its proposed release date, major retailers like BestBuy and EBGames will certainly give you that strange look like you've lost your mind if you dare ask them if they've heard of this game or if they have a release date in their computers somewhere.

- FIVE YEARS after its proposed release date, the list of mmos in development back then (2001) and the list of mmos in development now (2008) have ALL changed. Only "Darkfall" remains on that list. Hmmmm.

...Shall I continue?

Any sane person would be very skeptical of this games' promises or anything coming from the Darkfall website. Until something concrete can be proven about "Darkfall", we'd be foolish to buy into it in the least bit.

Besides that, my making a poll and stating my viewpoint in my original post will do almost nothing to persuade people and especially fanbois to vote my way. Most anyone who knows anything about this game at all has already long formed their opinion on this particular game and will vote accordingly. I have also provided plenty of options to vote for Darkfall being a great game etc and I haven't put words in those options such as "I'm an idiot and think Darkfall will release later this year and rock the mmo world"

...Furthermore, you as a fanboi of this game are more then welcome to start your own thread with your own poll of the game and provide options for people to vote on "Darkfall". I am willing to bet that the votes will go about the same and that there will be just as many posting in that thread also bashing this game and it's validity

I also didn't put up a poll with answers directed at YOU as a person as you have done against me... I'm really sorry that this thread makes you so angry that you feel the need to place a personal attack poll against me simply because I started a thread and feel differently then you do about your precious game. My poll was against a game, not you personally. Feel your back.... See? I really didn't stab "you" in the back. {winks}


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  Aragoni

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1/13/08 6:05:42 AM#56

Will the game be released? We don't know. You cannot say that it won't get released but you cannot say the opposite either.
How long was WoW developed? Wasn't it like 7 years? Now, put the amount of features of WoW vs. Darkfall and you will understand that if DF really is under development it needs the amount of years.... and maybe a few more.

There are 4 scenarios: 1. The game will be released and will kick ass.
2. The game will be released and have alot of bugs but gets fixed sooner or later and then kicks ass.
3. The game get released but due to horrible bugs and performance issues the game will get flushed down the toilet, think of Vanguard/Asherons Call 2 (even though Vanguard is still online I doubt it will be online much longer).
4. The game will never get released.

  daarco

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1/13/08 7:05:22 AM#57

But we want one developer to take time to develop a MMO. And remember that Razorwax moved and emerged with Aventurine in Greece 2003. Thats when the real development begun. They went from the four man crew to maybe 20. But all DF haters/trolls know this and tryes to talk around that fact. So this game have been in development for about five years now. And thats something there is not much speak about.

So yes, Razorwax wanted a 2003 release of the first DF build. But now im beginning to wich this is vaporware, just to stop hearing the whining from people that cant take the wait. At same time, it was the same whine when woW were in development.

  Guitano

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1/13/08 9:26:07 AM#58

People flame Darkfall for lame reasons. They cant handle the fact that a true PvP mmo is in the works that does not require you to wear your mom's panties while you play like most of the games out today. Big FKing deal that a game is taking 2 more years to make than the regular 4 to 5. The game was revamped, they moved the studio and had to hire people and so on. One DF fan even got to visit the DF studio just a few months back and even got to play the game. Its good to see that the DF Dev team are taking their time so that in the end they have a very polished real PvP mmo. To the people who flame on DF's time frame calling it vapor and what not..... go play Vanguard if you want an unbalanced broken unfinished pile of crap sprinkles. Ya, ive seen many mmo's flamed for being in the works for more than 3 to 4 years.

So ya... gobble, slurp and burp nubs!

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1/13/08 9:35:04 AM#59


Originally posted by Guitano
People flame Darkfall for lame reasons. They cant handle the fact that a true PvP mmo is in the works that does not require you to wear your mom's panties while you play like most of the games out today. Big FKing deal that a game is taking 2 more years to make than the regular 4 to 5. The game was revamped, they moved the studio and had to hire people and so on. One DF fan even got to visit the DF studio just a few months back and even got to play the game. Its good to see that the DF Dev team are taking their time so that in the end they have a very polished real PvP mmo. To the people who flame on DF's time frame calling it vapor and what not..... go play Vanguard if you want an unbalanced broken unfinished pile of crap sprinkles. Ya, ive seen many mmo's flamed for being in the works for more than 3 to 4 years.
So ya... gobble, slurp and burp nubs!

The fact that the dev team keeps the card so close to them, is always what scares the crowd.

I'm one of the fanatics that's afraid this game will never make it past the counter.

Sure I can state some facts why and why not, the game won't get released, or be half as good as it should. But fact is that we know very little about the game, and that was the case with both Vanguard and Dark & Light.

I like the fact they are saying they wont release the game till it is finished. But some day they won't get sponsored anymore, and it will just be a 2nd hand project as DnL has become.

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1/13/08 9:44:44 AM#60

Calling software that cannot be played vaporware is not flaming it.

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