Guild Wars isn't a free game with micropayments or a premium membership as Dungeon Runners or Puzzle Pirates are for instance. Guild Wars has to be bought, then it can be played without a subscription fee afterwards.

Also it wouldn't qualify for micropayments as you can't officially buy virtual stuff for real money while you're actively playing the game (unless you count RMT). You've got the option to enter an In-game store 'before' entering the game world where you can buy chapters, character slots or skill packs, that's it.

So even if I like the game it doesn't fit in such a category.

 

Eve Online best MMO game? For me that proves only one thing: While players of other games actually have to play their game actively EvE Online players have all the time in the world to hang around on MMO related websites all day.

 

 

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Originally posted by Phall
Eve Online best MMO game? For me that proves only one thing: While players of other games actually have to play their game actively EvE Online players have all the time in the world to hang around on MMO related websites all day.

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Actually, most of us have double-screen setups and surf the web when we do not do pvp or fly in wolfpacks. :)

Originally posted by batolemaeus

 

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Originally posted by Phall
Eve Online best MMO game? For me that proves only one thing: While players of other games actually have to play their game actively EvE Online players have all the time in the world to hang around on MMO related websites all day.

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Actually, most of us have double-screen setups and surf the web when we do not do pvp or fly in wolfpacks. :)

I have a tripple screen setup myself.

 

1 screen for work

2nd for EvE.

3rd for Web surfing.

 

Also EvE is a very casuall game overall. And its great if you have a Life as you can paly well in EvE while having time to be with Friends and family etc.

 

Of course if you have no life and live in MoM's basement try one of the WoW clones or WoW itself.

Thing to consider is that this poll is weighted based on those who voted out of the current pool of members.  But hey, something to talk about I guess... EQ2 still > WoW  ;)

Hello, my name is Rogee and I'm an old school UO'er who longs for the good ole' days.

 

My comment about Eve voters vs Eve player postings vs WoW posters:

Most Eve pilots are just here to read articles, not waste time bitching and moaning about trivial things (I don't know why I am even replying to this thread, but I digress).

 

I enjoyed UO, and I currently enjoy Eve because I'm not a mindless rat chasing the 'max level' or 'uber items' to make me feel good.

 

Skill based sandbox games for the win.

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Amazing, it took around 20 posts before someone made a swipe at SOE about SWG and the NGE.  People must be slacking.

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Hopefully, the other companies behind the games are learning from Sony's mistake.  Don't piss off your core fans.

 

It's really too bad. I liked SWG's space combat better than Eve's.  It all the other SWG stuff that killed the game.

Agree on all results. EVE is the best, WoW is the best fantasy, LoTRO is the best new game. All correct

And EVE even missed a prize, it would win, no doubt: Best Graphics. There was simply no such award this year. EVE has a graphics in par with the pre-rendered production sci-fi movies. If you want to see EVE loosing, simply nominate it for the best in-game music award :D

In general, I've avoided posts about the awards because there's a lot of bickering back and forth.  I do have two comments, however:

1. I don't believe GuildWars can truly be considered a f2p/micropayment game.  Although one can play without subscription fees, one still has to buy the box (and, if desired, the subsequent expansions boxes).
2. I've never played either WoW or Eve, so I don't really care who won the big award and I've ignored all of the Eve is better/WoW is better threads, but I saw this post by an Eve player on the official Dungeon Runners boards and thought it was interesting.

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What's also interesting is that EVE Online beat out WoW.

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MMORPG.com is a very popular site with Eve players and is used in the metagaming side of Eve. As a result a lot of Eve players (including myself) have many accounts at MMORPG.com.

If it was limited to one vote per actual player the result would be different.

This Eve player implies that she and other Eve players voted per each of their accounts, which is cheating.  Did mmorpg.com do anything to mitigate the possibility of bumping up votes through multiple accounts (IP checking, maybe)?

~Ripper

It's a poll on this site PPL, get a grip.  It's like any other award thats based on votes. 

 

If you want your fav to win then stop playing and jump on to the internet, surf over to this site and vote (unless your playing EVE in which case you can continue playing and surfing at the same time).

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Hmm, just as expected.

Eve is a fun game and yes, for the graphics department no other game can even come close. You also have pretty much absolute freedom to do as you please. As I've said before, that can be both beneficial and a deterant for any MMO.

Is Eve the best game of 2007 though? I think it could be since it's one of the few Sci Fi games out there. If Star Wars wasn't @#$!ed up by SOE / LA, would that be a different story? It's tough to say. Anyhow, congrats to Eve and all the other winners out there.

What it comes downt to is that if you like Fantasy you probably wouldnt have voted for EvE, but if you like Sci-Fi well to be honest there isant much to chose from is there?

 

Right now out of the Sci-Fi games EvE is probably the only one thats actually Votable [i.e. developed].

Spent a good half an hour reading so much posts, about how people should or should not come and vote for the game they play, about the 200 k people playing Eve and voting, well why the hell should a game be voted for only by the people who play it; How the readers poll has been cheeater by the readers. And little kids winning becouse their favorite game did not win.

And there was no one to consider that this was not about what game you play, but what is the best game(for instance) ... (from here on I will say why i think EvE deserves this prize) ... well surely the game with the stunning graphics(yes i am sure of that; my mother came in the room, one day long ago,took a  look at the screen and asked "What is this game", "why" i was surprised, "it is so beautiful"), a great inovative gameplay that lets you loose in a virtual world, balansing old timers and new players(i hate being killed by lvl 70, who think it is fun,  my self being times lower in the "WoW"). Oh i can describe the beautis of this vast game for hours, but i think anyone inteligent enough can go and see them for himself. But darn how can someone say that the game that puts the first 'M' in the "MMORPG" with the   40 000++   record in one place is not the best Mmorpg, just for this i think Eve deserves to be the best Massively Multieplayer Online Role Playing Game(and hell, you can really play some role in it, but can you in a game like "Wow", other than being the best raiding machine on this side of the world).

And please do not say EvE does not require skill. The only real meaning of this is that in combat you do not have to be able to press a gazillion keys per second. At least that is what is stated by some critics, but they have only seen the game in the 14 day trial. Trully as you engage in "massive" battles you need more skill than most other games require. And who the f*** says you do not need skill to play hte game overall, you just need to pay. Maybe becouse you just payed and did not play the game you never saw the true beauty of it.

P.s. Maybe So much Eve fans voted becouse they do not eve need to stop playing. They just put up the in game web browser visit the site and vote. While players of other "Morpg"s will have to get seperated from their game. It surely is fairly easy and guess what you can ask other people to do it in the in game chat, or maybe it has been propaganed on the eve-radio, although i haven't heard anything about this on it.

P.S. all the people who still think their favorite should have won nad have not tried all the rest of the games ( and i meean tried as in seen most of the game) should consider that it is about what is the best game, not "what are you playing now?"

This thread delivers on so many levels .. grats EvE, as for whiners and the other games fanboys:

What is disturbing here is that people still seem to think the most played games are automatically the best. Maybe, just maybe... the fact that EVE has fewer subscribers than WoW or EQ means it tailors to more specific tastes? I dunno.

You would think that people who fit in such a category would be far more satisfied overall, than a gamer who stumbled into some MMO with huge subscription base and equally huge turnover rate  - wouldn't you?

EVE is not a perfect game by any stretch of imagination, despite the fact that it has been retail nearly five years and keeps winning this silly award. But like most of the people who voted for it, I would gladly vote for another better game if there was one. I just didn't see that option this year, or last year, or the year before that.

EVE is as good as it gets, and judging by the trends WoW set in the MMO genre I doubt we'll get something better anytime soon. So as you can see, even EVE players have a reason to be slightly depressed with the results.

You find it disturbing that the games played most are to be considered the best? According to that logic games with the smaller player base must be considered the better ones? The least bought games are those of the highest Quality? This is what I would call a jaundiced perspective.

Personally, I see the market as a pretty good indicator as to whenever a product holds any merit. Products which are great sell like the proverbial hot cakes whereas products which aren't don't. In the case of MMOs the players vote every month with their money, I find it hard to believe that customers would pay continuously for a service they dislike.

Huge subscription base and equally huge turnover rate indeed. I would rather conclude that any game with a huge subscriber base which is rapidly growing at the same time is accumulating players, and not loosing them. I would rather say games with small and/or slowly growing subscriber bases have to struggle a lot more with 'huge turnover'. Those probably aren't able to keep customers long enough to accumulate larger numbers. (Granted, they probably haven't got such a 'huge' turnover either for the simple reason they have nothing 'huge' in terms of subscriber numbers about them in the first place)

Originally posted by Maltese

You find it disturbing that the games played most are to be considered the best? According to that logic games with the smaller player base must be considered the better ones? The least bought games are those of the highest Quality? This is what I would call a jaundiced perspective.

Personally, I see the market as a pretty good indicator as to whenever a product holds any merit. Products which are great sell like the proverbial hot cakes whereas products which aren't don't. In the case of MMOs the players vote every month with their money, I find it hard to believe that customers would pay continuously for a service they dislike.

Huge subscription base and equally huge turnover rate indeed. I would rather conclude that any game with a huge subscriber base which is rapidly growing at the same time is accumulating players, and not loosing them. I would rather say games with small and/or slowly growing subscriber bases have to struggle a lot more with 'huge turnover'. Those probably aren't able to keep customers long enough to accumulate larger numbers. (Granted, they probably haven't got such a 'huge' turnover either for the simple reason they have nothing 'huge' in terms of subscriber numbers about them in the first place)

Im sorry, but bigger = better makes no sense. Lets take eve and wow for example. If the products being compared was launched on a equal playing field then yes, the arguement could hold ground. This didnt happen though. Any big names in games and gaming companies is going to do better than a game launched from a company noones ever heard of. Eve grew through spread of mouth, not commercials with william shatner and mr t. It didnt have 15ish years of good games under its belt to bolster its game on. Blizzard could launch a game that involves killing 1 mob over and over again inside a white box, and you know what it would sell millions of copies just because it has thier logo on it. Same with many other games, theres no differances between the hundreds of asian free mmo's and eq, uo, wow, l2, lotr. Theyre all cookie cutter mmo's that have barely anything differant, but the asian free mmo's dont have a name and that is why they have small player base's and will eventually die out into obscurity. Now you take eve, it was launched as a relatively new type of mmo. The game was full of bugs at the beginning, but because it was something differant and had tons of potential people stuck with it. 4 years later the game is bigger than ever, consistently breaking its own server records(its somewhere around 42000 people online at once, from 3000 couple years back). A large amount of people from the beginning of the game is still playing, and the "turnaround" isnt very high, corp history is a testament to this. The reason niche games dont have huge player base's is just that. They cater to specific audiances, instead of cookie cutter games, which dont bring in anything original just goes with what is known to work and plays off thier name to expand. The proof can all be seen by whats coming out. Just look at aoc and warhammer, these games are going to be huge, theyre going to sell millions of copies even though noones played em yet. Theyre nothing differant than what has been done before, borrowed ideas from other games. But they will be sucessful, not because theyre any good, innovating, or bug-free but only because they have a pre-existing name and a cookie cutter gameplay that garuntee's their sucess. Oh, and mcdonalds despite thier amazing sales do not have the best hamburgers either.

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Originally posted by Rhoklaw
Eve is a fun game and yes, for the graphics department no other game can even come close. You also have pretty much absolute freedom to do as you please. As I've said before, that can be both beneficial and a deterant for any MMO.
Is Eve the best game of 2007 though? I think it could be since it's one of the few Sci Fi games out there. If Star Wars wasn't @#$!ed up by SOE / LA, would that be a different story? It's tough to say. Anyhow, congrats to Eve and all the other winners out there.

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If Star Wars Galaxies had been handled like EVE-Online, I would be playing Star Wars Galaxies now.
What I mean by that is fixing the many bugs since release, and improving and expanding the game instead of totally changing it into another EQ/WoW Clone.

They had quite a bit of subs, I think 400k?

What happened to these players? I think they are scattered between all the different mmo's that offer something more then loot and level farming. Too bad there is not much choice, mainly because there are not alot of quality products or products with not enough advertisement ( think about Ryzom )

Greetz

Originally posted by Maltese

You find it disturbing that the games played most are to be considered the best? According to that logic games with the smaller player base must be considered the better ones? The least bought games are those of the highest Quality? This is what I would call a jaundiced perspective.

Personally, I see the market as a pretty good indicator as to whenever a product holds any merit. Products which are great sell like the proverbial hot cakes whereas products which aren't don't. In the case of MMOs the players vote every month with their money, I find it hard to believe that customers would pay continuously for a service they dislike.

Huge subscription base and equally huge turnover rate indeed. I would rather conclude that any game with a huge subscriber base which is rapidly growing at the same time is accumulating players, and not loosing them. I would rather say games with small and/or slowly growing subscriber bases have to struggle a lot more with 'huge turnover'. Those probably aren't able to keep customers long enough to accumulate larger numbers. (Granted, they probably haven't got such a 'huge' turnover either for the simple reason they have nothing 'huge' in terms of subscriber numbers about them in the first place)

Note the use of the word "automatically", implying its stupid to make judgements on the quality of a game based on its outward size first. If you believe I said the exact opposite of that - that small games are automatically better - then you need serious help with reading comprehension.

Following that is an offer of explanation for the specific case with EVE vs WoW, and why EVE manages to nab this award. To reiterate and elaborate:

WoW has broader appeal in both gameplay style (flying spaceships vs having an avatar) and content (high fantasy vs obscure sci-fi). Blizzard can get a lot more people to try their game than CCP, first of all, and there is a good chance they'll sub at least one month. By contrast, its a lot harder to explain why EVE is good without using concepts unfamiliar to MMO newbies. Not only that, but the 14 day trial is not even going to show you the basic game - its going to show you the game client. Where it starts to turn around, is when both camps start to understand the game they are paying for.

 

Even then, I am fairly certain the rate at which EVE grows is only limited by the ability of hardware to support their single universe architecture. If EVE had the technical capability for millions of players, then it would.