Originally posted by theEmeal

You do not seem to understand me, maybe you should read my "rambelings" again

I have been talking about how immersion and how too much Freedom would destroy that...

DWO has so much freedom with its builds that it destroys immersion.

WoW have less freedom than that and that game goes stronger than ever. Imagine WoW with a Warrior casting Holy Light, summoning Imps and using Frost Nova.

and with class limitations you dont have to make things fair, balancing makes it fair and fairness is unrealistic. While freedom only serves to create setups that has highest possible rate of killing and surival. Your Freedom ends up restricting us more

 

so then...

How do your idea intent to rapair any immersion problems that happends due to your freeforall combat?

How did you plan on preventing the game of becoming the "this build is the best"?

How will new people ever want to enter the game, when they cant hope to compete with veterans?

 What exactly about  players rather than developers creating their character how they choose would ruin immersion? Players would make their own story rather than developers doing that for them - the way they used to. Rpg's started out with players doing exactly that, how could that possibly ruin immersion when that is how it started in the first place?

Using a system like Guild wars where there is " no best build"  and all class skill sets accessable from one character can be played well if you learn how to do it properly would allow you to access all content with one character without overpowering one  combination.

Again, Arena Net had it right with the way they designed Guild wars 1,  where you have options to how you play and creates a level playing field for both vets and newbies to the game.

Originally posted by deviliscious

Ok first off I am the girl

Stopped reading there.

Originally posted by rebelhero1

Originally posted by deviliscious

Ok first off I am the girl

 

Stopped reading there.

 If so why bother  posting at all if you are not going to read the thread? To just troll ,criticize, and derail a thread because you have unresolved issues that you need to take out on others? LOL

Originally posted by crunk001

Sorry but why "Girls Perspective"?

 

Games are made to be liked by either Male or Female. That's not relevant. There will never be Games, especially not MMOs which includes Female only stuff.

 

So I don't see the Point why your Oppinion (which is nothing to flame/blame/harass at) is threated better/worse because you are Female.

 If you look at the post date on the OP in this thread. I started this thread like 4 years ago, shortly after I was invited to this site simply because I  am a hardcore GIRL gamer. I was invited to offer more female input in this site by friends here. I titled it " A girls perspective" for that reason.  At the time, some here felt there was not enough female input, and that was why I titled  appropriately. It is refreshing to see many more girl gamers  on this site these days, and I feel eventually women will take over the world of gaming to the point that the guys will be accused of being girls all the time instead of guys jumping all over a girl claiming she is a dude if she reveals her gender.

Besides, we all know that a females opinions should outweigh a mans simply because we use both sides of our  brain.

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by rebelhero1

Originally posted by deviliscious

Ok first off I am the girl

 

Stopped reading there.

 If so why bother  posting at all if you are not going to read the thread? To just troll ,criticize, and derail a thread because you have unresolved issues that you need to take out on others? LOL

Just contributing to the discussion.

I felt obligated to state that I found your view as a *female* to be irrelevant. I never insulted nor derailed the thread as my point was very relevant to the topic of discussion, which was your opinion that being a female matters in the slightest. I believe your reply is rather uncalled for, but I'll fight till the death for your rights to post it.

However, I would also like to add that your need to draw attention to your gender for the simple fact that you would like additional attention sickens me. So much so that I actually question your mental culpability. However, once again, while I will not read the rest of your OP, I will fight to the death for your right to post it.

If you were insulted by my post, I sincerely apologize for any misunderstanding. But, it is not on my shoulders if my simply stating my opinion on your topic that you sat out for open discussion offends you. That, my dear girl, is a personal issue.

???????????????????????

Edit: Apparently this site is coded by Derp Inc. and can't present odd characters. I'll post the romanization;

Gomennasai shoujo. Anta wa okora seru ka? Okotte?

jajajajajaja discusscion tu BAKAYARO wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

Originally posted by rebelhero1

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by rebelhero1

Originally posted by deviliscious

Ok first off I am the girl

 

Stopped reading there.

 If so why bother  posting at all if you are not going to read the thread? To just troll ,criticize, and derail a thread because you have unresolved issues that you need to take out on others? LOL

Just contributing to the discussion.

 

I felt obligated to state that I found your view as a *female* to be irrelevant. I never insulted nor derailed the thread as my point was very relevant to the topic of discussion, which was your opinion that being a female matters in the slightest. I believe your reply is rather uncalled for, but I'll fight till the death for your rights to post it.

 

However, I would also like to add that your need to draw attention to your gender for the simple fact that you would like additional attention sickens me. So much so that I actually question your mental culpability. However, once again, while I will not read the rest of your OP, I will fight to the death for your right to post it.

 

If you were insulted by my post, I sincerely apologize for any misunderstanding. But, it is not on my shoulders if my simply stating my opinion on your topic that you sat out for open discussion offends you. That, my dear girl, is a personal issue.

 

???????????????????????

 

Edit: Apparently this site is coded by Derp Inc. and can't present odd characters. I'll post the romanization;

 

Gomennasai shoujo. Anta wa okora seru ka? Okotte?

 

jajajajajaja discusscion tu BAKAYARO wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

 Did you bother to look at the date on the OP? Of course not - you did not even bother to read the thread before posting it. How can you have something relevant to add to the conversation, if you are not even bothering to understand to the conversation itself? I have already addressed this issue, if you had bothered to read the thread. I was asked to come here years ago  by friends here simply because they felt there were not enough girl gamers contributing. That is why " a girls perspective" would be appropriate.

Does it matter whether the opinion is from a male or female? Well yes, it does. Since males and females actually tend to use different portions of their brain. Women and men are NOT the same, we are indeed different in more aspects than whether or not we give birth to children or not.  Rather than try to remove those differences or expect women to act as men, we should instead celebrate those differences and encourage each gender to flourish in their own way rather than trying to make either conform to what the other finds acceptable.

Men and Women Use Brain Differently

   Women should not expect to " conform " to a man's world and men should not be expected to " conform to a womans. They should instead compliment each other. Why would it  not be offensive for a man to state " one guys perspective" but when a woman does so you think it necessary to point out how you would not  even bother reading the thread before posting in it? It is you that appears to have unresolved issue if you find that a female stating she is a female is off putting to you. 

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by rebelhero1

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by rebelhero1

Originally posted by deviliscious

Ok first off I am the girl

 

Stopped reading there.

 If so why bother  posting at all if you are not going to read the thread? To just troll ,criticize, and derail a thread because you have unresolved issues that you need to take out on others? LOL

Just contributing to the discussion.

 

I felt obligated to state that I found your view as a *female* to be irrelevant. I never insulted nor derailed the thread as my point was very relevant to the topic of discussion, which was your opinion that being a female matters in the slightest. I believe your reply is rather uncalled for, but I'll fight till the death for your rights to post it.

 

However, I would also like to add that your need to draw attention to your gender for the simple fact that you would like additional attention sickens me. So much so that I actually question your mental culpability. However, once again, while I will not read the rest of your OP, I will fight to the death for your right to post it.

 

If you were insulted by my post, I sincerely apologize for any misunderstanding. But, it is not on my shoulders if my simply stating my opinion on your topic that you sat out for open discussion offends you. That, my dear girl, is a personal issue.

 

???????????????????????

 

Edit: Apparently this site is coded by Derp Inc. and can't present odd characters. I'll post the romanization;

 

Gomennasai shoujo. Anta wa okora seru ka? Okotte?

 

jajajajajaja discusscion tu BAKAYARO wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

 Did you bother to look at the date on the OP? Of course not - you did not even bother to read the thread before posting it. How can you have something relevant to add to the conversation, if you are not even bothering to understand to the conversation itself? I have already addressed this issue, if you had bothered to read the thread. I was asked to come here years ago  by friends here simply because they felt there were not enough girl gamers contributing. That is why " a girls perspective" would be appropriate.

Does it matter whether the opinion is from a male or female? Well yes, it does. Since males and females actually tend to use different portions of their brain. Women and men are NOT the same, we are indeed different in more aspects than whether or not we give birth to children or not.  Rather than try to remove those differences or expect women to act as men, we should instead celebrate those differences and encourage each gender to flourish in their own way rather than trying to make either conform to what the other finds acceptable.

 

Men and Women Use Brain Differently

 

Brain Patterns May Explain Gender Differences in Learning, Development       

 

   Women should not expect to " conform " to a man's world and men should not be expected to " conform to a womans. They should instead compliment each other. Why would it  not be offensive for a man to state " one guys perspective" but when a woman does so you think it necessary to point out how you would not  even bother reading the thread before posting in it? It is you that has appears to have unresolved issue if you find that a female stating she is a female is off putting to you. 

 

 Do you treat women the same as men when you are face to face? Do you open doors for them, offer to carry heavy objects, offer to change their tire when you see them on the side of the road?  Yes Since I am female, I am treated as such in person and would not have it any other way. I have men change my tires,  open my doors and carry my groceries. I do not and have not ever had to pay a cover charge while clubbing and I do not buy my own drinks. Is that also offensive to you? I believe that is a celebration of our differences rather than ignoring the obvious. The  world is filled with both men and women and trying to force women to conform to " your opinion" of how they should behave will only leave you  with your head in the sand.  I am proud to be a woman and have no desire to be a smelly, hairy, ugly man.  I am not going to pretend to be a man just because some creep on the internet thinks I should conform to " his expectations".  What sickens me is when a man thinks he has the right to tell a woman what she should do.  You are not the boss of women so stick it where the sun don;t shine BUD.

Oh wow.

So this is what a forever-alone female is like? I always knew they had to confirm their gender loudly and vocally, state they're different from men and should be treated as such (but of course bitch about it when they are), have condenscending undertones in most of their statements when it's not just blatant and to be a generally hateful person who gets butthurt when someone doesn't like their OP! I guess you guys can't grow neckbeards, though. Well... most of you. I've seen some pretty gnarly chicks.

In any case; Sieg Heil Fuhrer Vagina!

Originally posted by rebelhero1

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by rebelhero1

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by rebelhero1

Originally posted by deviliscious

Ok first off I am the girl

 

Stopped reading there.

 If so why bother  posting at all if you are not going to read the thread? To just troll ,criticize, and derail a thread because you have unresolved issues that you need to take out on others? LOL

Just contributing to the discussion.

 

I felt obligated to state that I found your view as a *female* to be irrelevant. I never insulted nor derailed the thread as my point was very relevant to the topic of discussion, which was your opinion that being a female matters in the slightest. I believe your reply is rather uncalled for, but I'll fight till the death for your rights to post it.

 

However, I would also like to add that your need to draw attention to your gender for the simple fact that you would like additional attention sickens me. So much so that I actually question your mental culpability. However, once again, while I will not read the rest of your OP, I will fight to the death for your right to post it.

 

If you were insulted by my post, I sincerely apologize for any misunderstanding. But, it is not on my shoulders if my simply stating my opinion on your topic that you sat out for open discussion offends you. That, my dear girl, is a personal issue.

 

???????????????????????

 

Edit: Apparently this site is coded by Derp Inc. and can't present odd characters. I'll post the romanization;

 

Gomennasai shoujo. Anta wa okora seru ka? Okotte?

 

jajajajajaja discusscion tu BAKAYARO wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

 Did you bother to look at the date on the OP? Of course not - you did not even bother to read the thread before posting it. How can you have something relevant to add to the conversation, if you are not even bothering to understand to the conversation itself? I have already addressed this issue, if you had bothered to read the thread. I was asked to come here years ago  by friends here simply because they felt there were not enough girl gamers contributing. That is why " a girls perspective" would be appropriate.

Does it matter whether the opinion is from a male or female? Well yes, it does. Since males and females actually tend to use different portions of their brain. Women and men are NOT the same, we are indeed different in more aspects than whether or not we give birth to children or not.  Rather than try to remove those differences or expect women to act as men, we should instead celebrate those differences and encourage each gender to flourish in their own way rather than trying to make either conform to what the other finds acceptable.

 

Men and Women Use Brain Differently

 

Brain Patterns May Explain Gender Differences in Learning, Development       

 

   Women should not expect to " conform " to a man's world and men should not be expected to " conform to a womans. They should instead compliment each other. Why would it  not be offensive for a man to state " one guys perspective" but when a woman does so you think it necessary to point out how you would not  even bother reading the thread before posting in it? It is you that has appears to have unresolved issue if you find that a female stating she is a female is off putting to you. 

 

 Do you treat women the same as men when you are face to face? Do you open doors for them, offer to carry heavy objects, offer to change their tire when you see them on the side of the road?  Yes Since I am female, I am treated as such in person and would not have it any other way. I have men change my tires,  open my doors and carry my groceries. I do not and have not ever had to pay a cover charge while clubbing and I do not buy my own drinks. Is that also offensive to you? I believe that is a celebration of our differences rather than ignoring the obvious. The  world is filled with both men and women and trying to force women to conform to " your opinion" of how they should behave will only leave you  with your head in the sand.  I am proud to be a woman and have no desire to be a smelly, hairy, ugly man.  I am not going to pretend to be a man just because some creep on the internet thinks I should conform to " his expectations".  What sickens me is when a man thinks he has the right to tell a woman what she should do.  You are not the boss of women so stick it where the sun don;t shine BUD.

 

Oh wow.

 

So this is what a forever-alone female is like? I always knew they had to confirm their gender loudly and vocally, state they're different from men and should be treated as such (but of course bitch about it when they are), have condenscending undertones in most of their statements when it's not just blatant and to be a generally hateful person who gets butthurt when someone doesn't like their OP! I guess you guys can't grow neckbeards, though. Well... most of you. I've seen some pretty gnarly chicks.

 

In any case; Sieg Heil Fuhrer Vagina!

 LOL!   Alone? I wish I could find time to be alone, to me that would be a vacation .  You sir, have much to learn about women.  As a man , it is not your place to tell a woman what she should and should not do. It is you who attempt to derail a thread as an attention seeking whore because your deep seeded jealousy of the way women are treated differently than men and cannot accept the fact that women refuse to submit to your whims. You sir, should just accept the fact that men will always be submissive to their boob overlords and put on your loin cloth like then rest of them and rememeber to say" ty may I have another." when cued.

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by rebelhero1

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by rebelhero1

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by rebelhero1

Originally posted by deviliscious

Ok first off I am the girl

 

Stopped reading there.

 If so why bother  posting at all if you are not going to read the thread? To just troll ,criticize, and derail a thread because you have unresolved issues that you need to take out on others? LOL

Just contributing to the discussion.

 

I felt obligated to state that I found your view as a *female* to be irrelevant. I never insulted nor derailed the thread as my point was very relevant to the topic of discussion, which was your opinion that being a female matters in the slightest. I believe your reply is rather uncalled for, but I'll fight till the death for your rights to post it.

 

However, I would also like to add that your need to draw attention to your gender for the simple fact that you would like additional attention sickens me. So much so that I actually question your mental culpability. However, once again, while I will not read the rest of your OP, I will fight to the death for your right to post it.

 

If you were insulted by my post, I sincerely apologize for any misunderstanding. But, it is not on my shoulders if my simply stating my opinion on your topic that you sat out for open discussion offends you. That, my dear girl, is a personal issue.

 

???????????????????????

 

Edit: Apparently this site is coded by Derp Inc. and can't present odd characters. I'll post the romanization;

 

Gomennasai shoujo. Anta wa okora seru ka? Okotte?

 

jajajajajaja discusscion tu BAKAYARO wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

 Did you bother to look at the date on the OP? Of course not - you did not even bother to read the thread before posting it. How can you have something relevant to add to the conversation, if you are not even bothering to understand to the conversation itself? I have already addressed this issue, if you had bothered to read the thread. I was asked to come here years ago  by friends here simply because they felt there were not enough girl gamers contributing. That is why " a girls perspective" would be appropriate.

Does it matter whether the opinion is from a male or female? Well yes, it does. Since males and females actually tend to use different portions of their brain. Women and men are NOT the same, we are indeed different in more aspects than whether or not we give birth to children or not.  Rather than try to remove those differences or expect women to act as men, we should instead celebrate those differences and encourage each gender to flourish in their own way rather than trying to make either conform to what the other finds acceptable.

 

Men and Women Use Brain Differently

 

Brain Patterns May Explain Gender Differences in Learning, Development       

 

   Women should not expect to " conform " to a man's world and men should not be expected to " conform to a womans. They should instead compliment each other. Why would it  not be offensive for a man to state " one guys perspective" but when a woman does so you think it necessary to point out how you would not  even bother reading the thread before posting in it? It is you that has appears to have unresolved issue if you find that a female stating she is a female is off putting to you. 

 

 Do you treat women the same as men when you are face to face? Do you open doors for them, offer to carry heavy objects, offer to change their tire when you see them on the side of the road?  Yes Since I am female, I am treated as such in person and would not have it any other way. I have men change my tires,  open my doors and carry my groceries. I do not and have not ever had to pay a cover charge while clubbing and I do not buy my own drinks. Is that also offensive to you? I believe that is a celebration of our differences rather than ignoring the obvious. The  world is filled with both men and women and trying to force women to conform to " your opinion" of how they should behave will only leave you  with your head in the sand.  I am proud to be a woman and have no desire to be a smelly, hairy, ugly man.  I am not going to pretend to be a man just because some creep on the internet thinks I should conform to " his expectations".  What sickens me is when a man thinks he has the right to tell a woman what she should do.  You are not the boss of women so stick it where the sun don;t shine BUD.

 

Oh wow.

 

So this is what a forever-alone female is like? I always knew they had to confirm their gender loudly and vocally, state they're different from men and should be treated as such (but of course bitch about it when they are), have condenscending undertones in most of their statements when it's not just blatant and to be a generally hateful person who gets butthurt when someone doesn't like their OP! I guess you guys can't grow neckbeards, though. Well... most of you. I've seen some pretty gnarly chicks.

 

In any case; Sieg Heil Fuhrer Vagina!

 LOL!   Alone? I wish I could find time to be alone, to me that would be a vacation .  You sir, have much to learn about women.  As a man , it is not your place to tell a woman what she should and should not do. It is you who attempt to derail a thread as an attention seeking whore because your deep seeded jealousy of the way women are treated differently than men and cannot accept the fact that women refuse to submit to your whims. You sir, should just accept the fact that men will always be submissive to their boob overlords and put on your loin cloth like then rest of them and rememeber to say" ty may I have another." when cued.

BUWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Oh man, I'm seriously not sure if you're TRYING to entertain me or not. Either way, brilliant!

Originally posted by deviliscious

Ok first off I am the girl who used to go down to the local pizza place and take all the deliverery drivers tips by owning them at mortal kombat( still my all time favorite game).Sadly, those days are pretty much over, sure i can play it on xbox but it will never be the same as an actual arcade machine. Anyhow my take on pvp combat, well the biggest problem i see with alot of these games is the "luck factor" verses real player ability.  To me player killing should be about reflexes, game knowledge, memorization and better guessing of what your opponent will do next. The ability to control the fight and make your opponent do what you want them to do is what makes a good fighter. 

 What I dislike about  having to choose classes that all have different skills is that it takes alot of that away. As soon as you see an elf you know what their strengths and weaknesses are so it is easy to know what to do next verses figuring it out in the heat of battle. If all players in the game  have all abilities on one character and can make those characters appear however they want, then you would never be able to " predetermine" what they are capable of upon sight like fighting a real opponent.  If all players can train anything however they wish or everything to max, they can choose to work for it. so on one character you can have everything the game has to offer instead of having to create several characters to accomplish this.

 A game that allows you to do anything in actual battle in the game would make it possible to take combat to a higher level. You would never know what another player was going to do based on their appearance and you would never know what the other player was going to do in the middle of battle. Just because they maged you doesn't mean they are not going to range you then melee you. For players that fight for the challenge not for loot or fear this is  what player killing is all about. Players that care nothing if they die , and do not care much for pixel items, this is what makes the game fun.  The predictability in alot of games when fighting players makes you feel like you might as well be fighting an npc. If it were up to me I would take computerized luck out of it entirely and leave it up to real player skill, and have all players have the ability to do anything in battle that they choose to train all on one character.  That is what player killing to  me is all about.

I don't understand the reference to 'a girls perspective'. 

The ability to train anything you want is what Darkfall does.  There's a reason why no one plays that game.  In theory, your ideas about predictability would be gone.  In reality, it's a game mechanic that drives people away.  The grind to max is about 100x as much as a normal game because you aren't choosing from a dozen skills.  You are choosing from potentially hundreds.  Replayability is completely destroyed due to one character being able to be a demi-god.  Eventually you'd have a server full of very powerful characters.  They would steamroll all the new characters.  The character power gap would be insane, whch would push new players away from the game because they wouldn't feel like they could compete.  All you're left with is a bunch of high powered toons.  Or maybe a few, in DF's case.

There has to be a sense of balance in a game like that.  You would have to give everyone the ability to wear any armor or weild any weapon they wished.  However, you would have to limit their skill points so that they couldn't do everything very well.  So in theory, you could have a player that looks like a warrior, but is actually an archer or a mage.  But, that heavy armor will weigh you down and hurt your ability to cast.  That's that closest you're going to get when what you discribed though.  Now, if you could wear robes/capes over your armor... that could help mask your true skillset.  Which in turn would require your opponent to have to think while engaged in battle.  I'm not really a huge fan of the cosmetic appearance mechanic that LoTR has though. 

You sir, should just accept the fact that men will always be submissive to their boob overlords and put on your loin cloth like then rest of them and rememeber to say" ty may I have another." when cued.

LMAO@ boob overlords. Where is my loincloth lol. Oh .. ..and may I have another !! Boob overlords are awsome!!!

Originally posted by rebelhero1

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by rebelhero1

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by rebelhero1

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by rebelhero1

Originally posted by deviliscious

Ok first off I am the girl

 

Stopped reading there.

 If so why bother  posting at all if you are not going to read the thread? To just troll ,criticize, and derail a thread because you have unresolved issues that you need to take out on others? LOL

Just contributing to the discussion.

 

I felt obligated to state that I found your view as a *female* to be irrelevant. I never insulted nor derailed the thread as my point was very relevant to the topic of discussion, which was your opinion that being a female matters in the slightest. I believe your reply is rather uncalled for, but I'll fight till the death for your rights to post it.

 

However, I would also like to add that your need to draw attention to your gender for the simple fact that you would like additional attention sickens me. So much so that I actually question your mental culpability. However, once again, while I will not read the rest of your OP, I will fight to the death for your right to post it.

 

If you were insulted by my post, I sincerely apologize for any misunderstanding. But, it is not on my shoulders if my simply stating my opinion on your topic that you sat out for open discussion offends you. That, my dear girl, is a personal issue.

 

???????????????????????

 

Edit: Apparently this site is coded by Derp Inc. and can't present odd characters. I'll post the romanization;

 

Gomennasai shoujo. Anta wa okora seru ka? Okotte?

 

jajajajajaja discusscion tu BAKAYARO wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

 Did you bother to look at the date on the OP? Of course not - you did not even bother to read the thread before posting it. How can you have something relevant to add to the conversation, if you are not even bothering to understand to the conversation itself? I have already addressed this issue, if you had bothered to read the thread. I was asked to come here years ago  by friends here simply because they felt there were not enough girl gamers contributing. That is why " a girls perspective" would be appropriate.

Does it matter whether the opinion is from a male or female? Well yes, it does. Since males and females actually tend to use different portions of their brain. Women and men are NOT the same, we are indeed different in more aspects than whether or not we give birth to children or not.  Rather than try to remove those differences or expect women to act as men, we should instead celebrate those differences and encourage each gender to flourish in their own way rather than trying to make either conform to what the other finds acceptable.

 

Men and Women Use Brain Differently

 

Brain Patterns May Explain Gender Differences in Learning, Development       

 

   Women should not expect to " conform " to a man's world and men should not be expected to " conform to a womans. They should instead compliment each other. Why would it  not be offensive for a man to state " one guys perspective" but when a woman does so you think it necessary to point out how you would not  even bother reading the thread before posting in it? It is you that has appears to have unresolved issue if you find that a female stating she is a female is off putting to you. 

 

 Do you treat women the same as men when you are face to face? Do you open doors for them, offer to carry heavy objects, offer to change their tire when you see them on the side of the road?  Yes Since I am female, I am treated as such in person and would not have it any other way. I have men change my tires,  open my doors and carry my groceries. I do not and have not ever had to pay a cover charge while clubbing and I do not buy my own drinks. Is that also offensive to you? I believe that is a celebration of our differences rather than ignoring the obvious. The  world is filled with both men and women and trying to force women to conform to " your opinion" of how they should behave will only leave you  with your head in the sand.  I am proud to be a woman and have no desire to be a smelly, hairy, ugly man.  I am not going to pretend to be a man just because some creep on the internet thinks I should conform to " his expectations".  What sickens me is when a man thinks he has the right to tell a woman what she should do.  You are not the boss of women so stick it where the sun don;t shine BUD.

 

Oh wow.

 

So this is what a forever-alone female is like? I always knew they had to confirm their gender loudly and vocally, state they're different from men and should be treated as such (but of course bitch about it when they are), have condenscending undertones in most of their statements when it's not just blatant and to be a generally hateful person who gets butthurt when someone doesn't like their OP! I guess you guys can't grow neckbeards, though. Well... most of you. I've seen some pretty gnarly chicks.

 

In any case; Sieg Heil Fuhrer Vagina!

 LOL!   Alone? I wish I could find time to be alone, to me that would be a vacation .  You sir, have much to learn about women.  As a man , it is not your place to tell a woman what she should and should not do. It is you who attempt to derail a thread as an attention seeking whore because your deep seeded jealousy of the way women are treated differently than men and cannot accept the fact that women refuse to submit to your whims. You sir, should just accept the fact that men will always be submissive to their boob overlords and put on your loin cloth like then rest of them and rememeber to say" ty may I have another." when cued.

 

BUWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

Oh man, I'm seriously not sure if you're TRYING to entertain me or not. Either way, brilliant!

You´r a wierd kid...

 LOL!   Alone? I wish I could find time to be alone, to me that would be a vacation .  You sir, have much to learn about women.  As a man , it is not your place to tell a woman what she should and should not do. It is you who attempt to derail a thread as an attention seeking whore because your deep seeded jealousy of the way women are treated differently than men and cannot accept the fact that women refuse to submit to your whims. You sir, should just accept the fact that men will always be submissive to their boob overlords and put on your loin cloth like then rest of them and rememeber to say" ty may I have another." when cued.

Do not feed the trolls.

On the subject matter, however delluded my opinion may be, whether a girl's mind is different from a guys, every girl's mind is different just as every guy's. There wont ever be games solely designed for female, or male, and the fact of the matter is they should be trying to find balance. On top of that, the sexism is definitely not appreciated. 

The subject of completely unrestricted characters, though, for one thing, could easily be countered by making the gains extremely fast, but offering such a wide variety of skills that it would still take awhile to get them all. Do this, so they can't possibly use them all in one battle anyways. The bridge is easily filled, and there's enough combination that things will be unpredictable. If you're worried about getting bored, just provide good enough PVP, and PVE gameplay that leveling should not, and will not matter.

And just an FYI, I am transgender, male to female. While I am sure my opinion doesn't completely belong in this thread, I will say that woman like you are exactly what is wrong with today's current social standards, and morals. Try to be a bit less sexist, and stop considering yourself so high above guys. The days of chivalry may be behind us, but I do wish they would come again. Forever alone? So be it.

Originally posted by zidane01970

 

And just an FYI, I am transgender, male to female. While I am sure my opinion doesn't completely belong in this thread, I will say that woman like you are exactly what is wrong with today's current social standards, and morals. Try to be a bit less sexist, and stop considering yourself so high above guys. The days of chivalry may be behind us, but I do wish they would come again. Forever alone? So be it.

Got pics? ;)

In any case, bro/broette, I wasn't trolling. The OP was ridiculous and I simply responded with such. You're exactly right with what you said in this last paragraph.

The difference in male and female is primarily perspective and secondarily hormonal. One could easily raise a boy to be female in every way but their body if one wanted, there is not a difference between the sexes worth mentioning. Just like gender identity is hardly synonymous with sexual orientation, your body has little to do with your state of mind. It's all a matter of perspective, and when one decides simply that that does not matter, then all discussion become moot and they are an idiot for intentional ignorance and should be treated as such.

Don't bother seriously talking to her, because she won't read it and will just play her broken record about how "important" the difference is between men and women. So much so that she would further broaden the valley currently between the two sexes, make it more difficult for people like you AND people like me so communicate on the same level as even the SAME gender let alone the opposite all so she can feel that simple-minded satisfaction of being born with a damn pussy.

No, friend, I was not trolling. I simply felt this discussion held no merit no matter how deeply one would delve into it since it would only put fuel on her stupid, self-righteous fire. I'm only saying this much for your sake, don't even bother. Maybe, with luck, she'll just be a figment of our collective imaginations and if we ignore her she'll just disappear.

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by rebelhero1

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by rebelhero1

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by rebelhero1

Originally posted by deviliscious

Ok first off I am the girl

 

Stopped reading there.

 If so why bother  posting at all if you are not going to read the thread? To just troll ,criticize, and derail a thread because you have unresolved issues that you need to take out on others? LOL

Just contributing to the discussion.

 

I felt obligated to state that I found your view as a *female* to be irrelevant. I never insulted nor derailed the thread as my point was very relevant to the topic of discussion, which was your opinion that being a female matters in the slightest. I believe your reply is rather uncalled for, but I'll fight till the death for your rights to post it.

 

However, I would also like to add that your need to draw attention to your gender for the simple fact that you would like additional attention sickens me. So much so that I actually question your mental culpability. However, once again, while I will not read the rest of your OP, I will fight to the death for your right to post it.

 

If you were insulted by my post, I sincerely apologize for any misunderstanding. But, it is not on my shoulders if my simply stating my opinion on your topic that you sat out for open discussion offends you. That, my dear girl, is a personal issue.

 

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Edit: Apparently this site is coded by Derp Inc. and can't present odd characters. I'll post the romanization;

 

Gomennasai shoujo. Anta wa okora seru ka? Okotte?

 

jajajajajaja discusscion tu BAKAYARO wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

 Did you bother to look at the date on the OP? Of course not - you did not even bother to read the thread before posting it. How can you have something relevant to add to the conversation, if you are not even bothering to understand to the conversation itself? I have already addressed this issue, if you had bothered to read the thread. I was asked to come here years ago  by friends here simply because they felt there were not enough girl gamers contributing. That is why " a girls perspective" would be appropriate.

Does it matter whether the opinion is from a male or female? Well yes, it does. Since males and females actually tend to use different portions of their brain. Women and men are NOT the same, we are indeed different in more aspects than whether or not we give birth to children or not.  Rather than try to remove those differences or expect women to act as men, we should instead celebrate those differences and encourage each gender to flourish in their own way rather than trying to make either conform to what the other finds acceptable.

 

Men and Women Use Brain Differently

 

Brain Patterns May Explain Gender Differences in Learning, Development       

 

   Women should not expect to " conform " to a man's world and men should not be expected to " conform to a womans. They should instead compliment each other. Why would it  not be offensive for a man to state " one guys perspective" but when a woman does so you think it necessary to point out how you would not  even bother reading the thread before posting in it? It is you that has appears to have unresolved issue if you find that a female stating she is a female is off putting to you. 

 

 Do you treat women the same as men when you are face to face? Do you open doors for them, offer to carry heavy objects, offer to change their tire when you see them on the side of the road?  Yes Since I am female, I am treated as such in person and would not have it any other way. I have men change my tires,  open my doors and carry my groceries. I do not and have not ever had to pay a cover charge while clubbing and I do not buy my own drinks. Is that also offensive to you? I believe that is a celebration of our differences rather than ignoring the obvious. The  world is filled with both men and women and trying to force women to conform to " your opinion" of how they should behave will only leave you  with your head in the sand.  I am proud to be a woman and have no desire to be a smelly, hairy, ugly man.  I am not going to pretend to be a man just because some creep on the internet thinks I should conform to " his expectations".  What sickens me is when a man thinks he has the right to tell a woman what she should do.  You are not the boss of women so stick it where the sun don;t shine BUD.

 

Oh wow.

 

So this is what a forever-alone female is like? I always knew they had to confirm their gender loudly and vocally, state they're different from men and should be treated as such (but of course bitch about it when they are), have condenscending undertones in most of their statements when it's not just blatant and to be a generally hateful person who gets butthurt when someone doesn't like their OP! I guess you guys can't grow neckbeards, though. Well... most of you. I've seen some pretty gnarly chicks.

 

In any case; Sieg Heil Fuhrer Vagina!

 LOL!   Alone? I wish I could find time to be alone, to me that would be a vacation .  You sir, have much to learn about women.  As a man , it is not your place to tell a woman what she should and should not do. It is you who attempt to derail a thread as an attention seeking whore because your deep seeded jealousy of the way women are treated differently than men and cannot accept the fact that women refuse to submit to your whims. You sir, should just accept the fact that men will always be submissive to their boob overlords and put on your loin cloth like then rest of them and rememeber to say" ty may I have another." when cued.

 Loin'ed up and at your service ma'am

Originally posted by rebelhero1

No, friend, I was not trolling. I simply felt this discussion held no merit no matter how deeply one would delve into it since it would only put fuel on her stupid, self-righteous fire.

Your priorities are really totally off, and I just can't see where you're coming from.

What we SHOULD be concerned about is the blatant lack of apostrophe in the title.  Every time I see this thread title, something inside me curls up and dies!

(edit:  Boob Overlord?  really?  This is a travesty against those men who appreciate the importance of the A in T&A.  D:< )

One thing about women that I find interesting is their desire to add a womens touch to everything, but at the same time expect to be treated equally.

For the record I am not sexist, I am a realist. Foremost I am a Journeyman wireman who has worked around women in the construction industry.   The insistence that they be treated as equals is unfair due to most of them having serious physical limitations, however there are plenty of girly men so to call this simply a womans condition is unfair.

When it comes to video games, it is hard for me to believe there is a difference between men and women, especially in PVP. I mean, maybe in style, but ultimately the goal is the same...to win.  

Could sex be considered PVP? Yes a man and a woman approach it differently, but the goals is the same. 

Originally posted by DAS1337

Originally posted by deviliscious

Ok first off I am the girl who used to go down to the local pizza place and take all the deliverery drivers tips by owning them at mortal kombat( still my all time favorite game).Sadly, those days are pretty much over, sure i can play it on xbox but it will never be the same as an actual arcade machine. Anyhow my take on pvp combat, well the biggest problem i see with alot of these games is the "luck factor" verses real player ability.  To me player killing should be about reflexes, game knowledge, memorization and better guessing of what your opponent will do next. The ability to control the fight and make your opponent do what you want them to do is what makes a good fighter. 

 What I dislike about  having to choose classes that all have different skills is that it takes alot of that away. As soon as you see an elf you know what their strengths and weaknesses are so it is easy to know what to do next verses figuring it out in the heat of battle. If all players in the game  have all abilities on one character and can make those characters appear however they want, then you would never be able to " predetermine" what they are capable of upon sight like fighting a real opponent.  If all players can train anything however they wish or everything to max, they can choose to work for it. so on one character you can have everything the game has to offer instead of having to create several characters to accomplish this.

 A game that allows you to do anything in actual battle in the game would make it possible to take combat to a higher level. You would never know what another player was going to do based on their appearance and you would never know what the other player was going to do in the middle of battle. Just because they maged you doesn't mean they are not going to range you then melee you. For players that fight for the challenge not for loot or fear this is  what player killing is all about. Players that care nothing if they die , and do not care much for pixel items, this is what makes the game fun.  The predictability in alot of games when fighting players makes you feel like you might as well be fighting an npc. If it were up to me I would take computerized luck out of it entirely and leave it up to real player skill, and have all players have the ability to do anything in battle that they choose to train all on one character.  That is what player killing to  me is all about.

I don't understand the reference to 'a girls perspective'. 

 

The ability to train anything you want is what Darkfall does.  There's a reason why no one plays that game.  In theory, your ideas about predictability would be gone.  In reality, it's a game mechanic that drives people away.  The grind to max is about 100x as much as a normal game because you aren't choosing from a dozen skills.  You are choosing from potentially hundreds.  Replayability is completely destroyed due to one character being able to be a demi-god.  Eventually you'd have a server full of very powerful characters.  They would steamroll all the new characters.  The character power gap would be insane, whch would push new players away from the game because they wouldn't feel like they could compete.  All you're left with is a bunch of high powered toons.  Or maybe a few, in DF's case.

 

There has to be a sense of balance in a game like that.  You would have to give everyone the ability to wear any armor or weild any weapon they wished.  However, you would have to limit their skill points so that they couldn't do everything very well.  So in theory, you could have a player that looks like a warrior, but is actually an archer or a mage.  But, that heavy armor will weigh you down and hurt your ability to cast.  That's that closest you're going to get when what you discribed though.  Now, if you could wear robes/capes over your armor... that could help mask your true skillset.  Which in turn would require your opponent to have to think while engaged in battle.  I'm not really a huge fan of the cosmetic appearance mechanic that LoTR has though. 

 I have a problem with replayability itself. Instead of playing the same game content over and over again, would you not rather have  new content instead?  The entire idea of " a server full of powerful characters" is shortsighted as well, considering players should be able to change servers at will.

New players vs vets has always been an issue in games, but the best balance of this I have seen is zoning in combat. Not allowing vets to attack the noobs by putting same lvls together, and the removal of grind as shown in guild wars with the ability to start a max character off from the go for pvp if you so choose. That doesn't have to be an issue when you zone your map by activity and  skill levels.

Originally posted by zidane01970

 LOL!   Alone? I wish I could find time to be alone, to me that would be a vacation .  You sir, have much to learn about women.  As a man , it is not your place to tell a woman what she should and should not do. It is you who attempt to derail a thread as an attention seeking whore because your deep seeded jealousy of the way women are treated differently than men and cannot accept the fact that women refuse to submit to your whims. You sir, should just accept the fact that men will always be submissive to their boob overlords and put on your loin cloth like then rest of them and rememeber to say" ty may I have another." when cued.

Do not feed the trolls.

On the subject matter, however delluded my opinion may be, whether a girl's mind is different from a guys, every girl's mind is different just as every guy's. There wont ever be games solely designed for female, or male, and the fact of the matter is they should be trying to find balance. On top of that, the sexism is definitely not appreciated. 

The subject of completely unrestricted characters, though, for one thing, could easily be countered by making the gains extremely fast, but offering such a wide variety of skills that it would still take awhile to get them all. Do this, so they can't possibly use them all in one battle anyways. The bridge is easily filled, and there's enough combination that things will be unpredictable. If you're worried about getting bored, just provide good enough PVP, and PVE gameplay that leveling should not, and will not matter.

And just an FYI, I am transgender, male to female. While I am sure my opinion doesn't completely belong in this thread, I will say that woman like you are exactly what is wrong with today's current social standards, and morals. Try to be a bit less sexist, and stop considering yourself so high above guys. The days of chivalry may be behind us, but I do wish they would come again. Forever alone? So be it.

 Exactly my point! " a girls perspective" is just that, " A" as in one girl. I cannot speak for all women, as a man can;t speak for all men either lol.

Balance yes, but  balanced is not reached by assimilation.  It is kinda like the terrible idea of a " unisex bathroom."  I don;t want to sit on a potty a man just pee'd on! lol ! Sexism? Of course!  Men, in general, have had some really twisted ideas of what "women should and should not be" for enough years already. Paybacks are hell.

I agree completely on how balance can be achieved through variety, and limitations to what one can bring to battle.

As for your male to female thing- I can;t blame you for wanting to switch over to the superior gender. Girls rule. LOL

I completely disagree that " women like me are what's wrong" . Instead, It is that women are too easily ready to conform to what is expected of them rather than focus on what they desire for themselves. I would say it would be the judgemental wanna be girls that would be more of " what is wrong".

It is not your place to tell me how I should be,  look to yourself before judging others. I LOL'd seriously at you kinocking my moral obligations. Seriously? A wanna be girl telling a  girl how she should behave? Really? LMAO!

Chivalry is far from dead. Not sure where you come from but here, men always open my doors, change my tires, and offer assistance, even when it is not needed. Where I live, as a woman, I can still drop stuff on purpose and know the man will pick it up for me. Forever alone? LMAO - more like never alone.

Originally posted by rebelhero1

Originally posted by zidane01970

 

And just an FYI, I am transgender, male to female. While I am sure my opinion doesn't completely belong in this thread, I will say that woman like you are exactly what is wrong with today's current social standards, and morals. Try to be a bit less sexist, and stop considering yourself so high above guys. The days of chivalry may be behind us, but I do wish they would come again. Forever alone? So be it.

Got pics? ;)

 

In any case, bro/broette, I wasn't trolling. The OP was ridiculous and I simply responded with such. You're exactly right with what you said in this last paragraph.

 

The difference in male and female is primarily perspective and secondarily hormonal. One could easily raise a boy to be female in every way but their body if one wanted, there is not a difference between the sexes worth mentioning. Just like gender identity is hardly synonymous with sexual orientation, your body has little to do with your state of mind. It's all a matter of perspective, and when one decides simply that that does not matter, then all discussion become moot and they are an idiot for intentional ignorance and should be treated as such.

 

Don't bother seriously talking to her, because she won't read it and will just play her broken record about how "important" the difference is between men and women. So much so that she would further broaden the valley currently between the two sexes, make it more difficult for people like you AND people like me so communicate on the same level as even the SAME gender let alone the opposite all so she can feel that simple-minded satisfaction of being born with a damn pussy.

 

No, friend, I was not trolling. I simply felt this discussion held no merit no matter how deeply one would delve into it since it would only put fuel on her stupid, self-righteous fire. I'm only saying this much for your sake, don't even bother. Maybe, with luck, she'll just be a figment of our collective imaginations and if we ignore her she'll just disappear.

 The difference between the male and female brain is the way we process information. Male and female brains actually work in different ways. Did you even bother to look at the brain scans of males and female while processing information?

"become moot and they are an idiot for intentional ignorance and should be treated as such." - you really should follow your own advice considering you throw out the scientific data to voice your opinion in a matter you have not even bothered to study up on.

I do read, and respond. What are you jealous because you were born without one? LMAO!

 Yes dear you were trolling. You felt uncontrollably compelled to act out on your jealousy of women. We are not going anywhere, we are here to stay, and by the looks of it, since we have now successfully fertilized an egg using only female cells, we will long outlive mankind since they are no longer necessary to reproduce.  Like that? Too bad. You are male- you are obsolete. Go cry a river.

 You have not contributed to the discussion on pvp combat, only half assed released some nerd rage to a chic on the internet.  Feel better now? LOL!