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  nakuma

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12/12/07 12:35:13 AM#41

aww man  too funny. the crap never ends with PE, first G&H, then the craptacular fiasco that has gone on with STO and now this rears up. lol better than a soap opera, deception, intrigue, backstabbing, half-truths stay tuned for more, now a word from our sponsors......lmfao

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  Faelan

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12/12/07 1:00:59 AM#42

Ah, 2007... the year the MMO industry managed to hit an all time low. Now I'm just waiting for the announcement stating that the STO license has been sold to... SOE

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  User Deleted
12/12/07 1:11:20 AM#43
Originally posted by Faelan

Ah, 2007... the year the MMO industry managed to hit an all time low. Now I'm just waiting for the announcement stating that the STO license has been sold to... SOE

At this point, even SOE would be a vast improvement over PE.

  Atrayo

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12/12/07 2:36:19 AM#44

Ouch, talk about being noobs in regards to business and contractual acumen.

If this lawsuit pans out, Paramount the one granting the license to PE should revoke it fully. Paramount doesn't want all this drama surrounding their "Star Trek Online" IP. Much less after a questionable game software developer that has now been outed by a contractual lawsuit that does have merit.

Like "Ten Ton Hammer" stated at the end of their article the fans of STO will get the short end of the stick. But from a suit point of view Paramount will want to distance themselves from PE if this continues from bad to worse.

Another morsel to chew on if this was indeed a fraudulent exchange of assets from PE to it's next corporate incarnation. Than a criminal inquiry of the State Attorney General's Office will be considered down the road.

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  Enahowae

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12/12/07 3:47:43 AM#45

Originally posted by Zorvan
Originally posted by Faelan

Ah, 2007... the year the MMO industry managed to hit an all time low. Now I'm just waiting for the announcement stating that the STO license has been sold to... SOE

At this point, even SOE would be a vast improvement over PE.


QFT

However, with the issues that now surround the license, SOE wouldn't touch it with a 39 1/2 foot pole. I hope the devs weren't counting on a Xmas bonus this year!

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  Oculitus

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12/12/07 4:38:15 AM#46

You know, this might become a class action lawsuit as I doubt Kohnke is their only creditor that got shafted. 

  Graff

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12/12/07 4:48:26 AM#47

Yeah! Now let's give this license to an experienced developer with some great games under its belt, like uh... Bethesda!!! Uh.... SOE!.... Uh.... EA? Er... help me out? Who could pick it up exactly who isnt already snowed under making one of their own? :s bah, STO is dead.

  project8six

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12/12/07 4:55:30 AM#48

if anything this will end up with PE losing STO which will be a good thing so now we can have some one good make a fun game, that isn't a wow clone. if we're lucky of course.

die. <3

  Oculitus

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12/12/07 5:07:04 AM#49

Originally posted by Graff

Yeah! Now let's give this license to an experienced developer with some great games under its belt, like uh... Bethesda!!! Uh.... SOE!.... Uh.... EA? Er... help me out? Who could pick it up exactly who isnt already snowed under making one of their own? :s bah, STO is dead.

Obsidian perhaps?   Or Carbine?

 

Hey, Valve would make for an interesting MMO developer, despite the previous FPS focus.  Just brainstorming here.

  ITNinja

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12/12/07 9:48:37 AM#50
Originally posted by Graff

I can't see any way out of this for PE. What a shady affair.


Your right. What a turn of events. Makes you wonder if Perpetual was even serious about Gods and Heroes at one time.

  Ozmodan

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12/12/07 9:55:06 AM#51

As I said  before, you can't shift assets from one company to the next when you owe money and expect the creditors to not notice.

You can kiss STO goodbye.  I just hope noone is dumb enough to offer Mr Stinnet a job when Pepetual goes under, his resume should read failure to understand anything about this industry.

  blkjag

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12/12/07 10:04:15 AM#52
Originally posted by Souvec
Originally posted by jinxit

Perpetual wont survive this law suit there already in huge trouble, key word "liquidation" says it all really and means the STO mmo shall enter limbo until another company comes along and breathes life into it.

From what it looks like right now, I hope another company will start over with the IP, and take it to another direction, one where no man (or dev) has gone before... and make an original game off a familiar IP.

I hope CME take this over.. they got their act together - i going to say one MMO for the SCI-Fi, that allows us sci fan to have what we want.  a true sci-fi MMO - SGW (STARGATE WORLD)  just move up to the top of list for me.

  Faelan

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12/12/07 10:11:48 AM#53

Originally posted by Graff

Yeah! Now let's give this license to an experienced developer with some great games under its belt, like uh... Bethesda!!! Uh.... SOE!.... Uh.... EA? Er... help me out? Who could pick it up exactly who isnt already snowed under making one of their own? :s bah, STO is dead.

Derek Smart perhaps?

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  winter

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12/12/07 10:12:18 AM#54
Originally posted by JK-Kanosi

I think this is great news for Star Trek MMORPG fans across the globe. Hopefully Star Trek's license will now be pulled and given to a more competent company.

 Don't think it will happen anyttime soon. The litagation will hold the IP in Limbo for the next 5-10 years possibly longer depending on how well a job PE does fighting the case (or has done murkying the waters)  Very unlikely this will be resolved in 3 years or less IMO. So if PE does die with this. then kiss the IP goodbye for a good long time. (even once legalities are settled "once bitten twice shy", it would be unlikely anyone would jump on it)

  winter

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12/12/07 10:30:51 AM#55

Originally posted by Oculitus

 

Originally posted by Graff

Yeah! Now let's give this license to an experienced developer with some great games under its belt, like uh... Bethesda!!! Uh.... SOE!.... Uh.... EA? Er... help me out? Who could pick it up exactly who isnt already snowed under making one of their own? :s bah, STO is dead.

Obsidian perhaps?   Or Carbine?

 

 

Hey, Valve would make for an interesting MMO developer, despite the previous FPS focus.  Just brainstorming here.

 With all due respect Obsidian  couldn't make a good game to save their lives. They are too busy buying decent IP's off Bioware and then making buggy rushed out the door half complete games with them to make a quiick buck for Atari. (NWN2, Kotor 2) Can't think of the last decent game Obsidian made. K /rant off.

  Will just point out  there is a legal battle set to go on. it will not be resovled in a day, a week, or even a year. STO is going to sleep for a long time. Hopefully someday it will make it back to seeing the light of day. Though i wouldn't hold my breath on it being anytime soon.

 

   ie. Its dead Jim

  Rhoklaw

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12/12/07 11:20:12 AM#56

Granted, I was one of the first few individuals to convince MMORPG to advertise STO when it was first announced, I kind of want to gnaw my arm off now for suggesting it. All this does is recertify my opinion that experienced gaming companies are much more ideal for these monolith sized titles. SOE, Blizzard and EA Mythic are some of which I would trust for such a task.

  jinxit

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12/12/07 11:52:07 AM#57

Originally posted by winter

 

Originally posted by Oculitus

 

Originally posted by Graff

Yeah! Now let's give this license to an experienced developer with some great games under its belt, like uh... Bethesda!!! Uh.... SOE!.... Uh.... EA? Er... help me out? Who could pick it up exactly who isnt already snowed under making one of their own? :s bah, STO is dead.

Obsidian perhaps?   Or Carbine?

 

 

Hey, Valve would make for an interesting MMO developer, despite the previous FPS focus.  Just brainstorming here.

 With all due respect Obsidian  couldn't make a good game to save their lives. They are too busy buying decent IP's off Bioware and then making buggy rushed out the door half complete games with them to make a quiick buck for Atari. (NWN2, Kotor 2) Can't think of the last decent game Obsidian made. K /rant off.

 

  Will just point out  there is a legal battle set to go on. it will not be resovled in a day, a week, or even a year. STO is going to sleep for a long time. Hopefully someday it will make it back to seeing the light of day. Though i wouldn't hold my breath on it being anytime soon.

 

   ie. Its dead Jim


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  Oculitus

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12/12/07 4:40:47 PM#58

Originally posted by jinxit

 

Originally posted by winter

 

Originally posted by Oculitus

 

Originally posted by Graff

Yeah! Now let's give this license to an experienced developer with some great games under its belt, like uh... Bethesda!!! Uh.... SOE!.... Uh.... EA? Er... help me out? Who could pick it up exactly who isnt already snowed under making one of their own? :s bah, STO is dead.

Obsidian perhaps?   Or Carbine?

 

 

Hey, Valve would make for an interesting MMO developer, despite the previous FPS focus.  Just brainstorming here.

 With all due respect Obsidian  couldn't make a good game to save their lives. They are too busy buying decent IP's off Bioware and then making buggy rushed out the door half complete games with them to make a quiick buck for Atari. (NWN2, Kotor 2) Can't think of the last decent game Obsidian made. K /rant off.

 

  Will just point out  there is a legal battle set to go on. it will not be resovled in a day, a week, or even a year. STO is going to sleep for a long time. Hopefully someday it will make it back to seeing the light of day. Though i wouldn't hold my breath on it being anytime soon.

 

   ie. Its dead Jim


 Give me a T !

 

 Give me a U !

 Give me a R !

 Give me a B !

Give me an I !

  Give me a N !

Give me an E!

Ra ra ra !

Turbine already used their "crap-on-a-beloved-license" ticket.  No more for them.

 

Anyway regardless of what happens, even if PE/P2 hangs on to STO through some bizarre act of God, I think we all know (or should) that STO won't be out for a long time.

 

 

  faefrost

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12/12/07 5:32:20 PM#59

10 years at least. The IP license is now locked up in a lawsuit, which makes it pretty much poison for anyone else wanting to look at it, until all legal issues are resolved.

The only hope is that given the relatively small $$$ numbers involved, Paramount themselves may step in, pay everybody off to go away, and reclaim the property cleanly themselves.

  eric_w66

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12/13/07 3:26:05 AM#60

It is amazing how these people got any money to start making G&H in the first place. Let alone somehow win the STO license...

Hey, they're making SOE look good even to some of the haters, and that takes some serious effort.

I hope paramount pulls out of their deal with PE/P2, I suspect they'd have the legal code for doing so for 'underperforming' or some other vague legal term. Would have been a smart thing to do.

If they could pull out the license and sell it to someone else quickly, we might see a STO game in 5 years (not joking, it takes about that long now, unless you're making a YAAMMO (Yet another asian mmo) where cut and paste and bad hairdo's rule.

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