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12/10/07 8:16:12 PM#41
Originally posted by orlac
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12/10/07 8:36:18 PM#42
Careful Murphy the koolaid kids will lynch for dissin the queen! |
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12/10/07 9:25:36 PM#43
Originally posted by Aethios A little two-year-old girl is dead. Fox News didn't make that up. The mother (if you can call her that) met the man, who she married, while playing WoW. That man later killed the little girl . Fox News didn't make that up. And Fox News did not advocate locking down and monitoring the Internet. The gist of the article is that you have to be as careful online as your are in real life.
In the Fox News headline, it specifically says that the "Phenomenon Remains Rare". I'll bet dollars to donuts that the vast majority of posters decrying the news article didn't even bother to read it. Why are gamers so paranoid? Why do you rant against articles you don't even bother to read. Could it be that you fear the truth and are in self-denial? I read Fox News every day and have found them to be the least biased of all the major news outlets. Maybe you should take time out from gaming so much (not addicted are you?) and read about the world that is happening around you. Read all the news outlets and then make up your own minds. What have you got to lose except maybe a roll on the next uber item.
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12/10/07 9:31:45 PM#44
I guess there warning the idiots that are in all masses of people be careful , some people are stupid enuff to need warnings that someone might be crazy in a mass of people, playing eq2 and two worlds |
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Gryphias
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Joined: 1/07/07
Belief in the absence of fact is faith, while belief in contradiction of fact is foolishness. |
12/10/07 10:45:52 PM#45
Fact of the matter is, no matter what the doom and gloom media are trying to convince us of, that the unstable and dangerous people in the world will go where they can and do as much as they think that they can get away with.
And it doesn't matter what that activity is.
The lunatics and predators of the world will always be amongst us. We, as a whole, need to be on guard against it by being vigilant and cognizant of the signs of predators and nut cases out there. And those signs are not too different from the signs we get when we are meeting them in person.
To be honest, I have seen more unstable and violent personalities at sporting events and other public events than I have ever seen in any of the games that I have played.
Just remember that the media, Fox in particular, tends to ride the doom and gloom bandwagon pretty heavily, so they all want us to be overcautious. Here are a couple of prime examples;
"But some hook-ups have had deadly consequences. In the case of toddler "Baby Grace," whose real name was Riley Ann Sawyers, her mother Kimberly Dawn Trenor met second husband Royce Clyde Zeigler II playing "World of Warcraft." Trenor, 19, had had a volatile relationship with Riley's birth father and wound up moving from Ohio to Texas to be with Zeigler, 24. Zeigler and Trenor abused the toddler, according to court documents, and Trenor told police that one July day, they beat, tortured and threw the child across the room, killing her. They allegedly concealed her body in a box in a shed and then tossed it into Galveston Bay. In the Lenz and Broome cases earlier this year, both adults allegedly struck up relationships with teenagers playing "Warcraft" and then convinced them to meet in person before authorities caught on." The media wouldn't say anything about those events or activities, had that been the case, but since they met on an MMORPG, then the "culprit" is the game..........GIVE ME A BREAK!! In the second case, we have a couple of pedophiles. What was so special about the games that brought them out? NOTHING. Pedophiles don't exist because of these games and those two, had they not been online, would have been seeking out their prey in front of schools, at video arcades and other kids hangouts. Again, since they used an MMORPG to aid in the commision of their crimes, the media makes a big deal out of the fact that they used the game. Was the game the culprit that the article tends to lead you to believe? NO, it does not. The media is creating a sense of elevated fear in the hopes that we will not see the flaws in their arguments. I, for one, am not that gullible. So I hope that no one is bothered if some of us do not completely freak out over this, since some of us have been around long enough to have learned a few things about the world that the fear-mongers of the world want us all to forget. Such as the fact that the media makes it's living off of it's ratings.....ratings that depend on viewers......which, of course, is driven by sensation. And what's more sensational than fear, death and gore? That is why many TV stations show the fatal car crash before they show you the story about the cat that got pulled from a tree by the neighbor. It improves ratings.
That's what the story really is....a blatant attempt to increase ratings by driving fear. It isn't the preacher that gives you freedom of religion, it is the soldiers that gave some or all to protect that freedom. |
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12/10/07 11:46:10 PM#46
Ok lets get down to brass tacks here with this the fact of the matter is if someone actually goes off and kills someone from playing a video game there is obviously another element that was there before hand. In all likelihood they have a mental problem or were brought up in a bad home or a violent household. Your normal person without problems knows to distinguish between games and reality or tv and reality. Parenting and numerous other factors come into play with these things. Yes there are going to be wackos out there but no more so then your chances of walking down the street and getting mugged. |
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12/10/07 11:48:43 PM#47
i can tell you fox's research on this right now.
well throw me down and call me willy. fox you convinced me! i'm quiting! |
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12/11/07 7:34:21 AM#48
That is without doubt the worst horse shit I have ever read/seen since I 13 years ago watched an -again american - tv-programme saying the same things about heavy metal. My god, the whole article lacks heavy arguments! Those things they claim to be happening to a greater extent in MMOs are so easy to prove wrong! LOL -Did they even ONCE consider comparing the numbers to the outside world?? 30 million people play online games and thats all they can pull out?? I bet even a city of 5 million people see murders every single day! Oh my god, there is no end to northern american religious stupidity! My only question is this: Noone can be that unintelligent as to claim what they claim to be true.. there must be some kind of hidden agenda! What is it they really want? Maybe scare people into believing in god?? You tell me! |
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12/11/07 7:45:22 AM#49
I agree with what Wargoo said.. Fox News *sighs* Enuf said
"Huntress" |
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12/11/07 9:08:29 AM#50
Originally posted by Ionselon Friend...you are wasting your breath. You simply cannot reason with some people. We had a Anti MMO group called Parents Concerned about WoW visit the High School I taught at.....They were alarmist, paranoid zealots. They were also the exact same people that came in the week before shilling for Al Gores and Inconvenient truth, and calling Bush the Anti- Christ.
When you see Jack Thompson on any news show he is on CNN, CBS, or NBC. Ask Al Fraken what were the causes of Columbine and he will tell you Video Games and Guns. I hear folks call fox evil, but ask them if they have ever read a single article or have watched a single program..they say no, or they point to some highly edited piece of crap on youtube. It just goes to show how effective propaganda can be.
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12/11/07 9:14:56 AM#51
Originally posted by heerobya So true. It's disturbing to see the amount of parents who expect some outside force (namely, the schools) to raise their children while they attempt to stay "young". My folks wanted me to explain the things I liked all the time (especially when it came to why they should pay 20 bucks a month for me to tie up the phone line every evening). It was annoying, but it at least gave them an idea of what I was into. They also had this mindset that if I couldn't explain it to them in a way that they'd understand it, then I must not really understand it myself - which meant I HAD to research it until I could or there was no way they were going to go along with it. In direct response to the article, there was a time when I would've bashed Fox for something like this, but different people need to be informed different ways. My significant other's step-mom explained that she relies on articles like these to relay the seriousness of things she would otherwise see as insignificant (what's a game compared to keeping track of the finances of a university). While it does make her overly paranoid (she thought that by simply playing World of Warcraft, I was going to drop out of vet med school, become a recluse, and dump her step-daughter for a nightelf girlfriend), it does make her react to the little things that she should, in all honesty, be paying attention to in the first place. The burden then falls upon child to use her/his resources to show her the flip side of things. I can accept that argument and, as a result, accept Fox's attempt to inform the general public who need things presented to them that way. It's just kind of annoying to deal with the close-mindedness that it usually spawns... |
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karat76
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Joined: 8/22/06
Greatest threat to society is letting casualties of puberty reproduce. |
12/11/07 9:16:29 AM#52
That is why I watch FOX and MSNBC that way I get the conservative and liberal "truth" this allows me to estimate the real truth by heading somewhere in the middle. |
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12/11/07 10:03:52 AM#53
Originally posted by karat76 Actually the truth is somewhere way to the side of both views. Are these the only stories they could come up with considering the millions of players they had to work with? I'd rather be stalked by a freak in a MMO then shot up in a school or a mall. Just more idiotic fear-mongering to an ignorant public. |
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12/11/07 10:13:07 AM#54
Originally posted by greymann I've found that BBC news (not BBC news America) but the actual British version is the most unbiased news source that is readily available in the U.S. BBC + MSNBC + CNN + FOX + The Onion and I think I get a fairly unbiased and accurate analysis of what's going on in the world.... "You'll find a great many of the truths we cling to depend greatly upon our point of view." |
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12/11/07 11:24:14 AM#55
Originally posted by heerobya Unbiased? LOL. You're only listing the big corporation / establishment news sources. |
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12/11/07 1:59:37 PM#56
Originally posted by Keogh
Fox News has a hell of a way of making the "bad" news they report on look like Satan incarnate. It isn't bias to me. If anyone is biased, it's the ultra conservative Fox News team. Anything that has been a target or could be a target they attack when they are able to pull something out their asses or discover an evil in it. They make NO attempts to suggest the rarity or unlikelyhood of the "evil" occurring, and instead suggest, either blatantly or subtly, that what they're reporting on is somehow a bad thing that every bad person will take advantage of to commit bad acts. This article called for good judgement just as much as their news cast about the DS and pedophiles, and the way they presented that, it may as well had been a report on the Taliban in Afghanistan. |
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12/11/07 2:04:01 PM#57
Originally posted by greymann Yes, one biased against the U.S. one for the left, one for the right, and one biased against everyone else.... I then filter the nuggets of truth from the piles of B.S. and call it a day! what would you suggest? "You'll find a great many of the truths we cling to depend greatly upon our point of view." |
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12/11/07 2:18:33 PM#58
Oh, and btw. anyone who looks like Kimberly Trenor Must have been the ugliest baby known to man. They were only doing a favor. _________________ |
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12/11/07 2:19:01 PM#59
Originally posted by heerobya Yeah that's all you need if you just want your news from people motivated by greed and control. Oh yeah they give you this nice little buffet. But the problem is it just different flavors of the same junk to suit whatever mainstream political taste someone has. Ever wonder why Fox and CNN pretty much report on the same things? Why can't two completely different news services vary more in their stories? They even match eachother with these stupid tabloid domestic dramas. The news is more about what they aren't showing us then whatever politcal slant they put on stories. So much of it is just a diversion, fearmongering and propaganda targeting the modern peasant. Look for some grassroots sources like soldiers who talk about what they see on the ground. It's out there if you look or you can opt to continue being spoon-fed. These sources may not always be accurate or unslanted but it's more balanced than what you call balanced. |
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Koolaider
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Joined: 1/06/07
"FIGHT THE MAN...Harness the power of Breakfast Cereals" |
12/11/07 2:26:52 PM#60
Way to turn this into some political showdown, Mr. Spartan. I think the bottom line is, MMO games are not for everyone. Much like alcohol is not for everyone. Some people just have no responsibility. If you don't have some sort of responsibility in your life (as in not spending 12 hours a day playing computer games), then there is a good bet that people may end up like these people on the news. I'm sure you of all people know that there are some people who just don't get it, or don't want to get it, and continue their lives much like any other reclusive addict. So please, don't blame the media outlets for putting two and two together. |
