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2/28/08 11:56:33 AM#61
Originally posted by Shadin

Very well done! Though I disagree with SWG being a full sandbox... but I guess it's as close as you get nowadays except for EVE...

Wurm Online would be in that catigory as well...

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2/28/08 12:41:05 PM#62

 I have a few sections in which i would like you to add Wurm online in.

#1 Grind

Wurm Online, I guess every game has some type of grind in it, but its hard to say with wurm online as you dont really have the need to like in other games in order to play/succed. Dont get me wrong you want to have high skills becuase making things of low quality compaired to things of High quality have a hugh impact. But over all you can play and be useful as a noob.  Also, there is no set template like in those games where the grind is for leveling. So no grinding for leveling, but just for skills to make high quality items.

#2 PVP

Im not really sure the faction non faction part, but in Wurm you can kill anyone, although its not good to kill within your kingdom becuase then you lose alignment toward your kingdom, but if you bury the person afterward you gain more points then you lose for killing him  :P So i guess you can put it under both categories.

There is Full looting... Can also be put under open/free world PVP, as you can be attacked anywhere, as long as you are in the Wild server... Home server you cannot though, so i guess you can acutally put it on both categories as well, since you can travel from server to server.

Not sure what open world objective based is.

#3 PVE

Solo ablility. As you can go out hunting alone if you want too, depending on your skills is if you going to come back alive or not :D   There is no dungen runs or champ spawns so, no real need for grouping, unless you wanna go hunting a few champion trolls and other champs.

#4 Crafting

Without a doubt needs to be put under Deep Crafting. It has by far the best crafting/terraforming ive seen in a game. ATiTD also good but differnt concept for the rest of the game, I think the crafting in Wurm along with its game play and concept is what makes it worth while, as you have to build your own fortification and defend it with pvp during raids.

Players Literaly are who shape the world of Wurm.

#5 Performace/Graphics

I will have to say with all settings on high you are looking at a powerful/average comp needed, its mainly a good grapics card and good cpu, Wurm tends to pull some extra CPU usage.

Also, i dont recommend playing on low graphic settings as the game really looks dull if you do. At least a medium to High settings recommended.

#6 Difficulty

Very Difficult. On wild server, as you have 3 kingdoms at war with eachother, and like any game a bigger village always likes to pick on the smaller ones. Lots of politics goes on if you wanna stay alive. Diplomacy with your fellow kingdom villages, altough you can choose to not like them and attack them, its not advised.

#7 My Recommendation For Those of You Whom May Be Interested In Wurm

If you like the ultimate sandbox freedom, build just about where ever you want. Only restrictions to that is placement of village deeds, you can still build anywhere, but if you plan to place a deed in the long run to get the added benefits like guards to help protect the village, and also a spawn point at your village for whenever you die. You cannot place a deed within i think its 100 tiles from another deed.

If you want to literaly shape the landscape, as you can mine tunnles through mountians, raise and lower the elevation of the land, build land bridges ect...

With crafting items, QL matters so specualization is a good thing, and also the fact that there is not everyone running around with maxed skills makes it even better.

How about raiding your enemie villages and plunder and pilage them? You are free to do so.

Also what seems to be so far a balanced Lore system, there is no magic like fireballs, but with the lore system there is gods, which can be choosen to follow and possibly become a priest, in which priest have blessing powers depending on their skills.

If anyone has any questions feel free to ask, I may have missed a thing or two.

#8 Payment Plan

With a Wurm account you can play the game for completely Free, with skill caps of max 20 skill all skills. And you can add  premium account time right onto your basic account for 5 euro a month. You can also buy ingame currency if you so wish. As a basic account you can do just about everything, cept for some thigns you need higher then 20 skills for, such as you need 21 str to break down walls, and things. You need 30 masonry skill to build/add onto a stone hosue wall.


I hope that everyone gets to hear about a game that is not very talked about, which many of you also prolly dont even know about. But this game has many many features that lot of people seem to like. So here is the info for all of you.





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3/01/08 6:37:17 AM#63

Cool list. I've played them all, and I agree.



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OP  3/08/08 9:39:37 PM#64

Thanks for all the info guys, keep it coming.




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3/08/08 9:52:32 PM#65

Originally posted by Netzoko

The Unofficial "What MMO To Play" Thread!

(This is a work in progress. Feel free to post ideas or corrections, I know I miss things or make a mistakes)

Greetings! I speak to you today as a man who has played literally every MMO out there, and has the honesty and condensing skills to bring you a MMORPG list with all the basic information you need to know. We all can agree that trying to find even the most basic answers about game's is hard because the companies only include the uberdooper features. I aim to keep the list as unopinionated as possible. I am also only including current MMO states. For example, pre-NGE SWG won't be taken into account for it's current game state.


So, here you have it, The Unofficial "What MMO Should I Play?" Thread! Use this to compare features without digging around.

 Additions from Taera in blue :)


Section 1: Grind


One of the first things an MMO seeker asks if how much of a grind the game is. Below is a basic list of the newer MMOs and the time is takes to reach level cap in a hardcore setting. Casual play will be longer. It gives a comparison of the game's grind status. Keep in mind, these times are hardcore grinding.

Have a game to add? Post a reply! 

Section 2: PvP


PvP is horrid to some, and everything to others. Below is the breakdown based upon PvP rulesets, rewards, and penalties. Sections not listed have no PVP.

Non-Faction PvP (Kill Anyone.)

EVE Online, Ultima Online, RuneScape, Guild Wars, Lineage II, Fury

Faction PvP

World of Warcraft, EverQuest 2, City of Heroes / Villains, Star Wars Galaxies, Lord of the Rings Online

Full Looting

EVE Online, RuneScape

Arena / Instanced Objective Based PvP

Guild Wars, World of Warcraft, EverQuest 2, City of Heroes / Villains, Fury, Final Fantasy XI, Lord of the Rings Online

Open World Objective Based PvP

Dark Age of Camelot

Open/Free World PvP (Can be attacked anywhere by anyone)

EVE Online, RuneScape, Lineage II

Have a game to add? Post a reply! 

Note that some games have specific server rulesets, I.E. the Zek server on EverQuest has Open/Free World PvP


Section 3: PvE


This next section outlines the PvE aspects such as soloing, raiding, grouping.

End-Game Raiding (Nothing to do with necessity, but rather whether a game has the feature)

World of Warcraft, EverQuest 2, EverQuest, Lineage II, Final Fantasy XI, RF Online

Grouping Instances

World of Warcraft, EverQuest 2, EverQuest, RF Online, Guild Wars, Dark Age of Camelot, Lord of the Rings Online, City of Heroes / Villains

Solo Ability (Ability to level alone effectively)

City of Heroes / Villains, Dark Age of Camelot, EVE Online, EverQuest 2, Final Fantasy XI, Guild Wars, Lord of the Rings Online, Ultima Online, Vanguard, Star Wars Galaxies, RuneScape, Tabula Rasa, World of Warcraft

 Have a game to add? Post a reply! 

Section 4: Crafting


Here, I have broken up games depending on the depth of the crafting system.

Has Crafting (Of some sort)

City of Heroes / Villains, Dark Age of Camelot, EverQuest, Final Fantasy XIGuild Wars, Lineage II, Lord of the Rings Online, Ultima Online, World of Warcraft, Tabula Rasa

Deep Crafting (Widely considered to have the deepest craft systems)

EVE Online, EverQuest 2, Star Wars Galaxies, Vanguard, A Tale in the Desert

Have a game to add? Post a reply!  

Section 5: Performance / Graphics


Not everyone has a supercomputer. Below is a breakdown into sections of different tiers of system needs. They are ordered from "Very powerful PC needed" to "Weak PC needed." These are all based on graphics settings at "high." This list is also good for showing the graphical quality of a game.

Zomg Expensive Computer


Very Powerful

EverQuest 2, Fury


EVE Online, Guild Wars, Lord of the Rings Online, RF Online


City of Heroes / Villains, Final Fantasy XI, Lineage II, Star Wars Galaxies, World of Warcraft, D&D Online, Archlord, Horizons, Knight Online

Below Average

Anarchy Online, Asheron's Call, Dark Age of Camelot, EverQuest, Shadowbane

Lol. Upgrade Plz

Ultima Online, MapleStory, RuneScape

Have a game to add? Post a reply!  

Section 6: Difficulty


This section deals with the learning curve associated with a game, as well as it's complexity. A complex game will have a lot of information to learn for a newcomer, and will be more difficult to master. A simpler game will be easy to learn and play right off the bat as a newbie.

Very Difficult

EVE Online


Anarchy Online, Asheron's Call, Dark Age of Camelot, Ultima Online, Lineage II, RF Online, EverQuest


EverQuest 2, Final Fantasy XI, Guild Wars, Star Wars Galaxies, Vanguard,D&D Online, Knight Online, Fury


City of Heroes / Villains, Lord of the Rings Online, MapleStory, World of Warcraft, RuneScape

Have a game to add? Post a reply!  

Section 7: My Personal Recommendations _________________________________________________________________

Sometimes the simple facts arn't enough. This last section is a recommendation list based on typical MMO searchers.

"I'm looking for a game with lots of PvE grouping"

There are no MMOs where people always group no matter what. However, there are games where the players tend to group a lot. Below are games where the chat channels almost always have LFG spam.

Recommendation: Everquest 2, World of Warcraft, FFXI

"I'm looking for an MMO without PKs and gankers all the time. PvP annoys me"

Here are my recommendations for an MMO without open PvP, meaning you can walk around safely if you please.

Recommendation: LOTRO, EQ2 (RP/PvE server), FFXI
"I want a game with crafting that matters, not some sidestep in the game that's ignored."

Many people want a game where people actually need crafted goods. Below is my suggestion for games where crafted goods are widely used as much, if not more than looted items.

Recommendation: EQ2, EVE, UO, VG , FFXI

"I'm looking for a PvP-based game with set objectives"

Here's my suggestion for PvPers who dislike world PvP, but like the idea of working on objectives.

Recommendation: GW, DAoC, WoW, Fury


"I want total PvP freedom where I can attack anyone when I want"

I will also note the looting rules for my suggestion here.

Recommendation: EVE (Full looting), L2 (no looting), Runescape (Full looting)


"I'm looking for a game that's a total sandbox"

Recommendation: EVE, UO, SWG


"I want direction in my gaming, I don't want to wonder aimlessly through the world"

Recommendation: EQ1, EQ2, CoH, GW, D&D,  L2, LOTRO, VG, WoW


I hope you found my guide helpful in finding an MMO. Again, this is only the first version, updates will be made regularily.


Good luck, and happy gaming.


Added by Taera:

Great post, NetZoko!  Another popular variable for users seeking games is the payment plan.  Thus I'm adding on:




Section 8: Payment Plan


This section deals with the payment options for MMOs.

Free to Play

RuneScape, Anarchy Online

Item Shop/Optional Subscription

MapleStory, Dungeon Runners

Monthly Fee

City of Heroes / Villains, Lord of the Rings Online, World of Warcraft, Dark Age of Camelot, Lineage II, EverQuest 2, EverQuest, Final Fantasy XI , Vanguard, Tabula Rasa, EVE Online

Box/Download/Account Creation Fee

City of Heroes / Villains, World of Warcraft, Lord of the Rings Online, Lineage II, EverQuest 2, EverQuest, Final Fantasy XI , Vanguard, Tabula Rasa

NetZoko, please feel free to update this section :)


Hi, First off this is a great list, excellent work please keep it up, but I think your missing a small section, somewhere between sec(1) and sec(7) which could help a number of us and that is a section on Detailing which games are point and click and which ones are twitch combat(wasd) based.

Hope this helps.


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3/14/08 8:16:51 PM#66

Great list, it's enough to clean a big portion of the LFG forum


PS: I should have read that list (i am trying EQ2 thanks to this list)


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3/14/08 8:33:06 PM#67

Recommendation:  I want to be free from PvP, PK and gankers.


You only recommend 3 games which force you to raid.  Prolly should adds CoX in the lot, if only to offers a game which doesn't force you in raiding.  I don't want to be trap in hell...sure here you go to the Abyss...bump, that is not nice. :P  Many new titles will fit there.


CoX has 2 raid encounters (Hamidon & Warship), I wouldn't add it in the raiding section at all, but 2 exist.  There is also 1 FFA PvP zone (no looting).  3 faction PvP zones...and the remaining are PvE zones.

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Kill ''em all till they uninstall

3/14/08 8:48:38 PM#68

Good list! But you left out Anarchy Online from many sections.


Section 2 PvP - Faction PvP

Anarchy Online do have faction PvP. Omni-Tek vs Neutral vs Clan


Section 2 PvP - Arena / Instance based PvP

After the launch of Lost Eden expansion, it comes with Battlestation that is open to all F2P / P2P players. Its an Arena based PvP.


Section 4 Crafting - Has crafting


Anarchy Online have crafting through Trader / Fixer / Engineer profession to some extend.


Section 8 - Payment Plan - Monthly fees and box/download/activation fees

You should be specific on what is F2P in Anarchy Online and with ANY expansion upgrade will lead you to an activation fees + monthly fees.

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3/15/08 6:39:34 PM#69

60 days to reach the Max Level in Maplestory? I lol'd so hard!

60 days will get you to level 45, 50 at the most.

The level cap is 200.

Yesterday the first person reached that cap. He grinds 14 hours a day (With double exp) and the game has been out for 3 years. Do the math.


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3/27/08 7:18:52 AM#70

Rakion is a bit like Counter-Strike (a gun game) except it is aminly meele based even though it does have bows bot i think it has a poor vairety of attacks.


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3/28/08 5:37:17 PM#71

Great list 

I my own religion.. xD


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3/31/08 9:23:54 AM#72

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3/31/08 2:17:46 PM#73

Very nice list you got it, you really have to try this game out to know much about it well I'm playing Archlord for a moment


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4/18/08 1:54:51 PM#74

Runescape isn't listed under crafting... and nearly the entire game is crafting, well most of the skills anyway.

Ultima Online isn't listed on the price/payment plan, which i kinda want to know as i'm considering playing it.


Otherwise excellent list , though it has put the foot down on me not buying everquest 2. (can't remember the reason )


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4/23/08 8:08:10 AM#75

WWII Online

Grind - 60-90 days hardcore

PVP - Faction based

PVE - Does not exist

Crafting - Does not Exist

Graphics - LOL Upgrade Please

Difficulty - Very Difficult

Recommendation - "I'm looking for a PvP-based game with set objectives"

Payment = Monthly


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Aion Templar

4/28/08 1:15:56 PM#76

Very good list


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5/03/08 11:50:08 PM#77

  Good job. thanks my friend.

my road is long


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5/04/08 5:50:26 PM#78

Ok so here goes my first post.  You seem like a man who knows online games.  Heres my story i hope you can help.  27 female from uk.  Popped my cherry with SWG pre cu.  I loved the game then and the people i played with.  I stuck with it through the CU and then the nge and played for about a year after that and it all got a bit ruined because i could never find the magic it once had.  All my friends left and i was left with great game knoledge loads of gear 3 accounts and noone to share it with.  I then went to wow again met a few nice people but i didnt find wow very chalenging it was just about leveling up and gettig good gear so you could raid as i am in the uk and my freinds are state side it was difficult to level then accomplish what wow seems to be designd for in server quiet times.  So befor i bore you with my tales of boo hoo ive got no freinds, i will get to the point i want to find a game that ticks these boxes.

1.  Interesting story / quests not just kill 10 go back kill 10 go back run round for 3 hours getting lost and kill 10 more go back. 

2.  Good group activitys for when i can play with my friends but also enoughf to keep me interested when im all alone jimmy no mates.

3. An oppertuninty to do more than just fight.

4. Avatars i like being a girl not  a space ship.  If it had houses / place to put things would be great but i know that is a bit of an ask.

5. Not too cartoony.

Is there a game out there that can give me what i need ?  Lol high maintenance huh ? 

I look forward to your responces thanks again ./blowkisses  



ornie /daisyboo / frisky / csyren


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5/04/08 5:59:24 PM#79

Sorry being retarded i belive i forget a post i made some time ago looking for old freinds.  If any of you see this please feel free to mail me or any new ones :) 

ornie /daisyboo / frisky / csyren


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5/06/08 7:45:53 PM#80

I agree with all the previous people speaking on behalf of FFXI taking much much longer than 35 days played to get to max level

Also it is IMPOSSIBLE to solo on FFXI in any way shape or form unless you are a beast master or a black mage and you like dying a lot.

The game is MADE for grouping, and with the level breaker quests and the time it takes to seek to find a party.

there is NO WAY to estimate how long it takes to get to max level (75)

it is ENTIRELY based off if you can find a party and that party doesn't suck.

I have over 200 days played on that game and only two 75 jobs, now I wasn't exactly "hardcore" leveling all the jobs up to 75 but I know of no one who has a character at 75 in less than several months of work.

I've played UO, EQ, DAoC, Lineage, Shadow Bane, SWG, and WoW just to name a few game

the hardest of all of these to get to max level?

No contest

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