Only reason this game got that much sale is because of the franchise name.  Other than that, i don't see what mmo's veteran see in that game, it's a clone of all the other fantasy mmo's on the market.   Of that 800k subscribers i bet more than half of them no longer plays the game.

Originally posted by Aguitha

Only reason this game got that much sale is because of the franchise name.  Other than that, i don't see what mmo's veteran see in that game, it's a clone of all the other fantasy mmo's on the market.   Of that 800k subscribers i bet more than half of them no longer plays the game.

Again... completely baseless supposition.

A: If people don't enjoy a game, they don't play it. The IP can only take it so far. As a great example, look at Matrix Online. Hugely popular IP, yet the game is barely scraping along. Why? Because the game has had major issues, has had no significant improvements made to it, enough to bring people back, so few people are playing it.

B: What do "MMO Veterans" see in the game? Easy... The same thing a non MMO veteran would see in it - a game that, for their own reasons, they enjoy playing. And that's it. Simple. If someone's going to continue to spend money and time on a game they don't enjoy, then there's something very wrong there.

Also, this whole idea of so-called "MMO Veterans'" tastes or opinions somehow having more value, or that they should "know what a good game is" more than "non-veterans" is just ridiculous self-glorifying crap. You don't need "veteran experience" to know if you enjoy playing a game or not. And I say this having played many MMOs over the course of the past almost 7 years. I could group myself in with the "Veteran" crowd, were I ignorant enough to do so. But I don't, because the number of games I've played, or how long I've played them makes my opinion no more right than anyone else's.

Originally posted by Aguitha

Only reason this game got that much sale is because of the franchise name.  Other than that, i don't see what mmo's veteran see in that game, it's a clone of all the other fantasy mmo's on the market.   Of that 800k subscribers i bet more than half of them no longer plays the game.

Did you think the same way about WOW? That is the biggest clone of other MMO's out there and look at it's subs. Like it or not the game is a fun game to play and is a good solid game. The franchise name doesn't hurt subs. But i can tell you this alot of the hardcore LOTR fans won't touch this game.

Originally posted by WSIMike

 

Originally posted by openedge1

 

Originally posted by charlizd

So you were in the starter area which means you were under lvl 6 right? well of course there was no 1 there they were obviously in combe lvling up once you get out of the starter area so if you have played past the starter area b4 you should know this am i correct?

 

I was not in the instanced beginner area ...and was level 9...I was in Archet when this happened. So, I had finished the beginning area's and was now in the full on sections...and it had 3 people..

I went to Combe and saw no one...As I went to the Comb and Wattle for that specific quest....

So, I still believe "new" people starting is not happening that much!

 

Oh get off it already and find a hobby , will you, Open?

You play a game up to level 9, see a few people in lower level areas - where no one sticks around in for very long - and feel that's enough to make a comprehensive judgement on?  And you do this with complete sincerity?

LOL. You take absurdity to a whole new level.

The lower level areas in *many* MMOs are often not very populated, for the very same reason - people level up and out of them relatively quickly.

In WoW, I'd start a new character, a Night Elf in one instance and, guess what... Aldrassil would be all but abandoned. In fact, all of Teldrassil was remarkably void of many people. There was one time where there were literally more Horde players there, attacking the NPCs in Darnassus, than there were actual lowbie NE's in the entire area. Why? Because you don't spend much time there. Not more than the first 10 or so levels. Would you say that game is lacking in players?

In FFXI, the newbie areas are, similarly, fairly vacant of many players. it's led some people to think no one really plays it. Yet, go to Jeuno or to Whitegate and there's generally more people than the FFXI engine can even display on a screen at once.

Where LoTRO is concerned...

1. Go to Bree - the place is always busy and almost always has the "reduced awareness" setting active, which indicates there are many, many people online - at least in that region - and the server has to choke back how far players can see to keep performance at an optimum. That is not the sign of a game with a "low population".

2. Lone Lands and especially Forsaken Inn always has people in or around it, questing, hanging around, etc.

3. North Downs, especially in and around Esteldin always has a bunch of people around. I regularly pass by several other players/groups in my travels, whether I'm on a main road or off.

4. Playing in general... I don't care where I've been or when I've been there, I see other players/groups around, in even the most remote locations, more and more all the time.

Hate to burst your bubble, as it's clear you'd like nothing more than to believe LoTRO is somehow not doing well, but it's doing quite fine. There are plenty of people playing and, yes, the population is noticeably increasing.

 

I guess you missed the whole point of the post then...The question was regarding "NEW" subscribers...I AGAIN agreed with another posters note based on what had been seen.

[Quote] there's always new players...ALWAYS[/Quote] from Valentina

I anecdotally stated what happened to me at the end of August...maybe it is different now...but at the end of August, a total of 3 starters...what is the issue with my statement? Am I not allowed to talk here or something? Get a grip yourself...

EVERYTIME I started a new alt in WoW, I would see anywhere between 20-30 people running around in a localized area...in the BEGINNER area...of course I also never played an Elf much because...no one else was around there...hmm...I just started EQ2 an old game also...I should not see new people...yet, I met between 15, 20...and on a low pop server...They told me then which server had more people...I went there (Antonia Bayle)...surprise...starter area...FULL of people below level 10.

Again, all I did was post an opinion based on someone else's statement that I felt was incorrect. Why not quit attacking me, and just make YOUR statements..

In case you forgot, I played LOTRO Closed Beta...I played 4 months after with 3 month time and my free month after purchase...so, yes, I noticed higher populations in the higher level area's..

Why??? More people are in the higher level area's because there are no new starters in LOTRO...and I guess it just makes you angry,and I am sorry that you have to take it out on me..

I have every right to voice what happened to me, just like you have every right to counter the post..so, please do...but, don't blame me because I simply stated what I saw...

Cheer up...k?

Originally posted by dragonace

 

That Gamespot article is just as bad as this Boston Globe article.  Don't quote either one if you want to be somewhat reliable.

 

Gamespot derived their numbers of boxes sold from Midway's quarterly report... which made no mention of Lotro or boxes sold.  It did mention a $10 million dollar profit... but that's it.  Gamespot then used some kinda magic mojo formula to come up with the box sales. 

Here is the link to Midway's sales # :

www.midway.com/rxpage/mpr_12064.html

To see the table I have included below... you'll have to go to the PDF that they have a link for in the above link, I've included a link to the PDF here as well:

www.midway.com/assets/press/documents/MWY_Q2_2007.pdf

 

 

MIDWAY GAMES INC. Net Revenues by Platform (in thousands)

Three Months Ending June 30, 2007

	2007		2006
Personal Computer	$   10,026	31.5%	$ 4,978	19.2%%

 

 

If you don't believe me... look on the internet for as long as you want to try and find an official release of box sales.  You won't find it.  The box sales number is just like Boston Globes 800k subs. number... a complete guess without any clue as to it's accuracy. 

The fact of the matter is there are not enough physical servers to house 800k subs.

Originally posted by Aguitha

Only reason this game got that much sale is because of the franchise name.  Other than that, i don't see what mmo's veteran see in that game, it's a clone of all the other fantasy mmo's on the market.   Of that 800k subscribers i bet more than half of them no longer plays the game.

that pretty much sums me up. I AM A HUGE fan of LOTR, preordered the box and everything after beta (i saw lacking content in beta, but i bought it anyways cause i am a huge fan of the IP). 2 months into the game, i cancelled, just wasn't what i hoped it was. I am just glad i didnt pay for the 200 buck lifetime sub. While this game wasnt for me, i know alot of people enjoy it. I wont bash the game, cause it is well made, but i know alot of people also are in the same boat as me. The game just got too stale after a while, and while living in tolkiens world was beautiful....the game itself just couldnt keep my attention.

Originally posted by Torak

 

Originally posted by dragonace

 

That Gamespot article is just as bad as this Boston Globe article.  Don't quote either one if you want to be somewhat reliable.

 

Gamespot derived their numbers of boxes sold from Midway's quarterly report... which made no mention of Lotro or boxes sold.  It did mention a $10 million dollar profit... but that's it.  Gamespot then used some kinda magic mojo formula to come up with the box sales. 

Here is the link to Midway's sales # :

www.midway.com/rxpage/mpr_12064.html

To see the table I have included below... you'll have to go to the PDF that they have a link for in the above link, I've included a link to the PDF here as well:

www.midway.com/assets/press/documents/MWY_Q2_2007.pdf

 

 

MIDWAY GAMES INC. Net Revenues by Platform (in thousands)

Three Months Ending June 30, 2007

	2007		2006
Personal Computer	$   10,026	31.5%	$ 4,978	19.2%%

 

 

If you don't believe me... look on the internet for as long as you want to try and find an official release of box sales.  You won't find it.  The box sales number is just like Boston Globes 800k subs. number... a complete guess without any clue as to it's accuracy. 

hmmm...........ok, well still as I said, there is no offical release either way. I would go with GS over the Boston globe any day.

 

The fact of the matter is there are not enough physical servers to house 800k subs.

That is true actually...do a search, and it is noted that roughly 3000 to 4000 can be on one server...x12 servers (they still have that many?)

Thats only 48000 on at one time MAX....so, how could 800k play all at once? or even stilted...I never got a queue after the first month of open...so maybe...just maybe...100-200k subs at most

Cheers!

Originally posted by openedge1

 

Originally posted by WSIMike

 

Originally posted by openedge1

 

Originally posted by charlizd

So you were in the starter area which means you were under lvl 6 right? well of course there was no 1 there they were obviously in combe lvling up once you get out of the starter area so if you have played past the starter area b4 you should know this am i correct?

 

I was not in the instanced beginner area ...and was level 9...I was in Archet when this happened. So, I had finished the beginning area's and was now in the full on sections...and it had 3 people..

I went to Combe and saw no one...As I went to the Comb and Wattle for that specific quest....

So, I still believe "new" people starting is not happening that much!

 

Oh get off it already and find a hobby , will you, Open?

You play a game up to level 9, see a few people in lower level areas - where no one sticks around in for very long - and feel that's enough to make a comprehensive judgement on?  And you do this with complete sincerity?

LOL. You take absurdity to a whole new level.

The lower level areas in *many* MMOs are often not very populated, for the very same reason - people level up and out of them relatively quickly.

In WoW, I'd start a new character, a Night Elf in one instance and, guess what... Aldrassil would be all but abandoned. In fact, all of Teldrassil was remarkably void of many people. There was one time where there were literally more Horde players there, attacking the NPCs in Darnassus, than there were actual lowbie NE's in the entire area. Why? Because you don't spend much time there. Not more than the first 10 or so levels. Would you say that game is lacking in players?

In FFXI, the newbie areas are, similarly, fairly vacant of many players. it's led some people to think no one really plays it. Yet, go to Jeuno or to Whitegate and there's generally more people than the FFXI engine can even display on a screen at once.

Where LoTRO is concerned...

1. Go to Bree - the place is always busy and almost always has the "reduced awareness" setting active, which indicates there are many, many people online - at least in that region - and the server has to choke back how far players can see to keep performance at an optimum. That is not the sign of a game with a "low population".

2. Lone Lands and especially Forsaken Inn always has people in or around it, questing, hanging around, etc.

3. North Downs, especially in and around Esteldin always has a bunch of people around. I regularly pass by several other players/groups in my travels, whether I'm on a main road or off.

4. Playing in general... I don't care where I've been or when I've been there, I see other players/groups around, in even the most remote locations, more and more all the time.

Hate to burst your bubble, as it's clear you'd like nothing more than to believe LoTRO is somehow not doing well, but it's doing quite fine. There are plenty of people playing and, yes, the population is noticeably increasing.

 

 

I guess you missed the whole point of the post then...The question was regarding "NEW" subscribers...I AGAIN agreed with another posters note based on what had been seen.

[Quote] there's always new players...ALWAYS[/Quote] from Valentina

I anecdotally stated what happened to me at the end of August...maybe it is different now...but at the end of August, a total of 3 starters...what is the issue with my statement? Am I not allowed to talk here or something? Get a grip yourself...

EVERYTIME I started a new alt in WoW, I would see anywhere between 20-30 people running around in a localized area...in the BEGINNER area...of course I also never played an Elf much because...no one else was around there...hmm...I just started EQ2 an old game also...I should not see new people...yet, I met between 15, 20...and on a low pop server...They told me then which server had more people...I went there (Antonia Bayle)...surprise...starter area...FULL of people below level 10.

Again, all I did was post an opinion based on someone else's statement that I felt was incorrect. Why not quit attacking me, and just make YOUR statements..

In case you forgot, I played LOTRO Closed Beta...I played 4 months after with 3 month time and my free month after purchase...so, yes, I noticed higher populations in the higher level area's..

Why??? More people are in the higher level area's because there are no new starters in LOTRO...and I guess it just makes you angry,and I am sorry that you have to take it out on me..

I have every right to voice what happened to me, just like you have every right to counter the post..so, please do...but, don't blame me because I simply stated what I saw...

Cheer up...k?

I don't need to cheer up - you have me thoroughly amused. It's Friday. Life is good.

 I'm not taking anything out on you, merely calling you out on making a highly generalized judgement on very limited and short-lived part of the game. Again, as you should know, the first 9 levels of a game and hanging around the first few areas in the "real world" is not going to give you the indication of how many people are playing, because people can breeze through them very quickly. I can start a new character and be out of the Ered Luin area in an afternoon if I wanted to. It's not that hard. The lowbie areas alone are not a good place to judge how the game is doing overall. That said, I've still never had trouble finding a group or seeing other players in the times I've played in those levels - maybe you just played at really off-times. That's a possibility too.

Whether you see them in the lowbie areas or not... they're coming from *somewhere*, right? They're not starting the game at level 20+ and skipping all those starter areas.

Originally posted by WSIMike

 

Originally posted by openedge1

 

Originally posted by WSIMike

 

Originally posted by openedge1

 

Originally posted by charlizd

So you were in the starter area which means you were under lvl 6 right? well of course there was no 1 there they were obviously in combe lvling up once you get out of the starter area so if you have played past the starter area b4 you should know this am i correct?

 

I was not in the instanced beginner area ...and was level 9...I was in Archet when this happened. So, I had finished the beginning area's and was now in the full on sections...and it had 3 people..

I went to Combe and saw no one...As I went to the Comb and Wattle for that specific quest....

So, I still believe "new" people starting is not happening that much!

 

Oh get off it already and find a hobby , will you, Open?

You play a game up to level 9, see a few people in lower level areas - where no one sticks around in for very long - and feel that's enough to make a comprehensive judgement on?  And you do this with complete sincerity?

LOL. You take absurdity to a whole new level.

The lower level areas in *many* MMOs are often not very populated, for the very same reason - people level up and out of them relatively quickly.

In WoW, I'd start a new character, a Night Elf in one instance and, guess what... Aldrassil would be all but abandoned. In fact, all of Teldrassil was remarkably void of many people. There was one time where there were literally more Horde players there, attacking the NPCs in Darnassus, than there were actual lowbie NE's in the entire area. Why? Because you don't spend much time there. Not more than the first 10 or so levels. Would you say that game is lacking in players?

In FFXI, the newbie areas are, similarly, fairly vacant of many players. it's led some people to think no one really plays it. Yet, go to Jeuno or to Whitegate and there's generally more people than the FFXI engine can even display on a screen at once.

Where LoTRO is concerned...

1. Go to Bree - the place is always busy and almost always has the "reduced awareness" setting active, which indicates there are many, many people online - at least in that region - and the server has to choke back how far players can see to keep performance at an optimum. That is not the sign of a game with a "low population".

2. Lone Lands and especially Forsaken Inn always has people in or around it, questing, hanging around, etc.

3. North Downs, especially in and around Esteldin always has a bunch of people around. I regularly pass by several other players/groups in my travels, whether I'm on a main road or off.

4. Playing in general... I don't care where I've been or when I've been there, I see other players/groups around, in even the most remote locations, more and more all the time.

Hate to burst your bubble, as it's clear you'd like nothing more than to believe LoTRO is somehow not doing well, but it's doing quite fine. There are plenty of people playing and, yes, the population is noticeably increasing.

 

 

I guess you missed the whole point of the post then...The question was regarding "NEW" subscribers...I AGAIN agreed with another posters note based on what had been seen.

[Quote] there's always new players...ALWAYS[/Quote] from Valentina

I anecdotally stated what happened to me at the end of August...maybe it is different now...but at the end of August, a total of 3 starters...what is the issue with my statement? Am I not allowed to talk here or something? Get a grip yourself...

EVERYTIME I started a new alt in WoW, I would see anywhere between 20-30 people running around in a localized area...in the BEGINNER area...of course I also never played an Elf much because...no one else was around there...hmm...I just started EQ2 an old game also...I should not see new people...yet, I met between 15, 20...and on a low pop server...They told me then which server had more people...I went there (Antonia Bayle)...surprise...starter area...FULL of people below level 10.

Again, all I did was post an opinion based on someone else's statement that I felt was incorrect. Why not quit attacking me, and just make YOUR statements..

In case you forgot, I played LOTRO Closed Beta...I played 4 months after with 3 month time and my free month after purchase...so, yes, I noticed higher populations in the higher level area's..

Why??? More people are in the higher level area's because there are no new starters in LOTRO...and I guess it just makes you angry,and I am sorry that you have to take it out on me..

I have every right to voice what happened to me, just like you have every right to counter the post..so, please do...but, don't blame me because I simply stated what I saw...

Cheer up...k?

I don't need to cheer up - you have me thoroughly amused.

 

I'm not taking anything out on you, merely calling you out on making a highly generalized judgement on very limited exposure. Again, the first 9 levels of a game and hanging around the first few areas in the "real world" is not going to give you the indication of how many people are playing, because people can breeze through them very quickly.

Conversely, myself and others I talk to have noted more and more that the game is becoming more and more populated. Be it in Bree or out in the middle of the North Downs, I see substantially more people around on a regular basis than I did, even just a couple weeks ago. Whether you see them in the lowbie areas or not... they're coming from *somewhere*, right? They're not starting the game at level 20+ and skipping all those starter areas.

Your right...and you have a point...and note...I did quit in August (end)..and then they introduced the 7 day trial near the end...so, I am thinking this is what your seeing? Did they put a level limit on that? I don't think so...

Influx = New Trial...?

Thoughts?

Lotro seems to be populated on my server, I am seeing new people everyday and all night there seems to be something going somewhere, im really enjoying this game so far,

Originally posted by openedge1

 

Originally posted by WSIMike

 

Originally posted by openedge1

 

Originally posted by WSIMike

 

Originally posted by openedge1

 

Originally posted by charlizd

So you were in the starter area which means you were under lvl 6 right? well of course there was no 1 there they were obviously in combe lvling up once you get out of the starter area so if you have played past the starter area b4 you should know this am i correct?

 

I was not in the instanced beginner area ...and was level 9...I was in Archet when this happened. So, I had finished the beginning area's and was now in the full on sections...and it had 3 people..

I went to Combe and saw no one...As I went to the Comb and Wattle for that specific quest....

So, I still believe "new" people starting is not happening that much!

 

Oh get off it already and find a hobby , will you, Open?

You play a game up to level 9, see a few people in lower level areas - where no one sticks around in for very long - and feel that's enough to make a comprehensive judgement on?  And you do this with complete sincerity?

LOL. You take absurdity to a whole new level.

The lower level areas in *many* MMOs are often not very populated, for the very same reason - people level up and out of them relatively quickly.

In WoW, I'd start a new character, a Night Elf in one instance and, guess what... Aldrassil would be all but abandoned. In fact, all of Teldrassil was remarkably void of many people. There was one time where there were literally more Horde players there, attacking the NPCs in Darnassus, than there were actual lowbie NE's in the entire area. Why? Because you don't spend much time there. Not more than the first 10 or so levels. Would you say that game is lacking in players?

In FFXI, the newbie areas are, similarly, fairly vacant of many players. it's led some people to think no one really plays it. Yet, go to Jeuno or to Whitegate and there's generally more people than the FFXI engine can even display on a screen at once.

Where LoTRO is concerned...

1. Go to Bree - the place is always busy and almost always has the "reduced awareness" setting active, which indicates there are many, many people online - at least in that region - and the server has to choke back how far players can see to keep performance at an optimum. That is not the sign of a game with a "low population".

2. Lone Lands and especially Forsaken Inn always has people in or around it, questing, hanging around, etc.

3. North Downs, especially in and around Esteldin always has a bunch of people around. I regularly pass by several other players/groups in my travels, whether I'm on a main road or off.

4. Playing in general... I don't care where I've been or when I've been there, I see other players/groups around, in even the most remote locations, more and more all the time.

Hate to burst your bubble, as it's clear you'd like nothing more than to believe LoTRO is somehow not doing well, but it's doing quite fine. There are plenty of people playing and, yes, the population is noticeably increasing.

 

 

I guess you missed the whole point of the post then...The question was regarding "NEW" subscribers...I AGAIN agreed with another posters note based on what had been seen.

[Quote] there's always new players...ALWAYS[/Quote] from Valentina

I anecdotally stated what happened to me at the end of August...maybe it is different now...but at the end of August, a total of 3 starters...what is the issue with my statement? Am I not allowed to talk here or something? Get a grip yourself...

EVERYTIME I started a new alt in WoW, I would see anywhere between 20-30 people running around in a localized area...in the BEGINNER area...of course I also never played an Elf much because...no one else was around there...hmm...I just started EQ2 an old game also...I should not see new people...yet, I met between 15, 20...and on a low pop server...They told me then which server had more people...I went there (Antonia Bayle)...surprise...starter area...FULL of people below level 10.

Again, all I did was post an opinion based on someone else's statement that I felt was incorrect. Why not quit attacking me, and just make YOUR statements..

In case you forgot, I played LOTRO Closed Beta...I played 4 months after with 3 month time and my free month after purchase...so, yes, I noticed higher populations in the higher level area's..

Why??? More people are in the higher level area's because there are no new starters in LOTRO...and I guess it just makes you angry,and I am sorry that you have to take it out on me..

I have every right to voice what happened to me, just like you have every right to counter the post..so, please do...but, don't blame me because I simply stated what I saw...

Cheer up...k?

I don't need to cheer up - you have me thoroughly amused.

 

I'm not taking anything out on you, merely calling you out on making a highly generalized judgement on very limited exposure. Again, the first 9 levels of a game and hanging around the first few areas in the "real world" is not going to give you the indication of how many people are playing, because people can breeze through them very quickly.

Conversely, myself and others I talk to have noted more and more that the game is becoming more and more populated. Be it in Bree or out in the middle of the North Downs, I see substantially more people around on a regular basis than I did, even just a couple weeks ago. Whether you see them in the lowbie areas or not... they're coming from *somewhere*, right? They're not starting the game at level 20+ and skipping all those starter areas.

 

 

Your right...and you have a point...and note...I did quit in August (end)..and then they introduced the 7 day trial near the end...so, I am thinking this is what your seeing? Did they put a level limit on that? I don't think so...

Influx = New Trial...?

Thoughts?

That's possible. Time will tell, I guess by how much retention the trial does or doesn't have. I know I've spoken to a few who are in on the trial and seem to really be enjoying it.

Some have already bought a retail key and are full-timers; we've brought several of those into our Kin.  Some are ragging on it, calling it a WoW Clone in the OOC channel (you know, the "look at me! I need attention!" sort) - which is odd.. because unless I'm mistaken, you can't use the /ooc as a trial subscriber.. Maybe I'm wrong on that, though. Some are working at a Chuck Norris revival (/ignore ftw).

All I know is, I don't know exactly what rate they're joining at, but the game is notably more populated than it has been. I hadn't even known that "reduced awareness" thing existed 'til a couple weeks ago. Now it's up almost all the time in some areas.

 Ohh well it didn't even take me 10 days to realize how much I hated it. I have played allot of F2P and P2P. An I have to say this game gave me the feeling of a F2P game. The exp and quests were dul for 15 lvls not to mention the jobs were boring for those lvls and I couldnt even browse the A.H to atleast make lvling and game testing worthwhile.

Originally posted by Grindalyx

Originally posted by Aguitha

Only reason this game got that much sale is because of the franchise name.  Other than that, i don't see what mmo's veteran see in that game, it's a clone of all the other fantasy mmo's on the market.   Of that 800k subscribers i bet more than half of them no longer plays the game.

Did you think the same way about WOW? That is the biggest clone of other MMO's out there and look at it's subs. Like it or not the game is a fun game to play and is a good solid game. The franchise name doesn't hurt subs. But i can tell you this alot of the hardcore LOTR fans won't touch this game.

Of course.  If the game would have been made by some random developpers and would have been named World of Somecraft, do you think it would be as succesful ?  It's the same thing for LOTR, it would be the same thing for games like Star Trek online and Stargate Online. 

Having a franchise name helps a lot with the beggining sale, look at Star Wars Galaxies, HUGE sale when the game launch, but look what happen to the game now.

Originally posted by openedge1

 

Originally posted by Torak

 

Originally posted by dragonace

 

That Gamespot article is just as bad as this Boston Globe article.  Don't quote either one if you want to be somewhat reliable.

 

Gamespot derived their numbers of boxes sold from Midway's quarterly report... which made no mention of Lotro or boxes sold.  It did mention a $10 million dollar profit... but that's it.  Gamespot then used some kinda magic mojo formula to come up with the box sales. 

Here is the link to Midway's sales # :

www.midway.com/rxpage/mpr_12064.html

To see the table I have included below... you'll have to go to the PDF that they have a link for in the above link, I've included a link to the PDF here as well:

www.midway.com/assets/press/documents/MWY_Q2_2007.pdf

 

 

MIDWAY GAMES INC. Net Revenues by Platform (in thousands)

Three Months Ending June 30, 2007

	2007		2006
Personal Computer	$   10,026	31.5%	$ 4,978	19.2%%

 

 

If you don't believe me... look on the internet for as long as you want to try and find an official release of box sales.  You won't find it.  The box sales number is just like Boston Globes 800k subs. number... a complete guess without any clue as to it's accuracy. 

hmmm...........ok, well still as I said, there is no offical release either way. I would go with GS over the Boston globe any day.

 

The fact of the matter is there are not enough physical servers to house 800k subs.

 

That is true actually...do a search, and it is noted that roughly 3000 to 4000 can be on one server...x12 servers (they still have that many?)

Thats only 48000 on at one time MAX....so, how could 800k play all at once? or even stilted...I never got a queue after the first month of open...so maybe...just maybe...100-200k subs at most

Cheers!

As to how many each one can house... not a clue.  I'm not on the Turbine development team so I can't accurately state how many each server can house.  I'm just trying to deal with facts that can be verified.

The only two numbers dealing with LoTRo and Turbine that are verifiable are that there are 22 servers total, and that Midway made $10 million the quarter that LoTRo was released.

ANY other number is a guess, estimate, assumption. 

Usually the number will be exaggerated to imply the influence of the game. 

Originally posted by dragonace

 

Actually there are 22 servers between the EU and US.

 

As to how many each one can house... not a clue.  I'm not on the Turbine development team so I can't accurately state how many each server can house.  I'm just trying to deal with facts that can be verified.

The only two numbers dealing with LoTRo and Turbine that are verifiable are that there are 22 servers total, and that Midway made $10 million the quarter that LoTRo was released.

ANY other number is a guess, estimate, assumption. 

There was an old interview from Turbine CEO, Jeffrey ..forgot last name..., anyways, he said each server could hold up to 10,000!  I could believe it too, but i'm guessing the average number per server would probably be around 2000-3000.  

Originally posted by observer

Originally posted by dragonace

 

Actually there are 22 servers between the EU and US.

 

As to how many each one can house... not a clue.  I'm not on the Turbine development team so I can't accurately state how many each server can house.  I'm just trying to deal with facts that can be verified.

The only two numbers dealing with LoTRo and Turbine that are verifiable are that there are 22 servers total, and that Midway made $10 million the quarter that LoTRo was released.

ANY other number is a guess, estimate, assumption. 

There was an old interview from Turbine CEO, Jeffrey ..forgot last name..., anyways, he said each server could hold up to 10,000!  I could believe it too, but i'm guessing the average number per server would probably be around 2000-3000.  

And the key word there would be: "guessing" 

Originally posted by observer

 

Someone on the VN boards actually did a /who on all US servers at different hours.  This was when the game was only around a month or less old too.

There was around 2000-3000 on 11 US servers.  It didn't add up any /afk or /anonymous people though, so it was probably even more. 

I hope you mean that the 11 US servers each averaged 2000-3000 people on simultaneously. Otherwise LotRO is in some deep trouble.

Originally posted by tallshortguy

 

Originally posted by observer

 

Someone on the VN boards actually did a /who on all US servers at different hours.  This was when the game was only around a month or less old too.

There was around 2000-3000 on 11 US servers.  It didn't add up any /afk or /anonymous people though, so it was probably even more. 

Considering that when I played CoX about 2 months ago, there were around 2500 average for the Freedom server (most populated server) alone (counting both games) during prime time, that not good news for such a newly released game. CoX is hovering at the 150k mark currently and is 3 years old and has about the same number of servers as LoTRO.

 

I hope you mean that the 11 US servers each averaged 2000-3000 people on simultaneously. Otherwise LotRO is in some deep trouble.

Before I left, it was so difficult to find groups for quests...you could see people for an hour or more LFG in the chat channels..(they have an LFG tool...but it seemed to not be used) ...and it seemed these people were spread out, so not everyone was on the same quests...and finally it always seemed to be the same names popping up...so not a large variety...

Also, you could not do a /who, as this would not show the Anonymous users, which also could be quite a bit...as the issues with gold spammers got really ridiculous near my end, that people just went Anon to escape the spam...so, the overall look of population looked quite small during these searches...

The numbers have also varied over how many actual people could be on a server...we have seen some comments from Stratic chats saying 2-3k, and one interview with Jeffrey Steefel saying 10,000...which is a lot for a server...

So...too many numbers being misleading (4 million...yea right...how many zombie accounts are you counting?)...and now they are #2 largest MMO? Well...we need more proof than that...geez..

Alright...cheers all

It is surely not 800.000 more like 300.000 but who cares. The server I play on is constantly full, so I dont care how well are doing the other servers, or how many other servers are there.