Originally posted by harg

 

Originally posted by Noan

 

Originally posted by harg

 

Originally posted by Noan

 

Originally posted by Zilux

People take the polls on these forums for a general truth..

First off all these polls are just made to speculate and enjoy ourselves with debating and sharing information. Second, Warhammer will attract a huge amount of people and the younger part or the part that are new to MMO's will be in large numbers too. And those players will mostly go for order, to be the heroes who vanquish all evil or that nice looking elf. Most people who post on these forums have a lot of experience with MMO's and are more grown up. So it's normal that the posters here lean more towards destruction. So that's why all polls here give the result with Destruction outnumbering Order.

But I'm still convinced that Order won't be beaten in numbers by destruction, I even think that Order will outnumber destruction. Altough the Dark Elf race lures some good part of the new population towards destruction.. It'll balance out.

When I was kid I wanted to play bad races to beat up those good guys that want to be heroes. Same did my friends.

 

Also when I was playing WoW my guild was on alliance side(that was year ago), those guys were older then me and all of them wanted to go to play WAR on evil side. Everyone wanted to play DE since they look similar to NE (I mean sharp ears and dark skin). I know abut 40 alliance players which going to play "bad" side

Just think if everyone who plays NE will roll on DE plus kids who like playing DE too.

Oh yeah, this is my opinion so saying "this will not happend" or another useless thing will not work.

Dark ELves from Warhammer look nothing like Warcraft's night Elves.

 

Night Elves - Massively out of proportion ears with dark blue/purple/pink skin

Dark Elves - Smaller more in proportion ears and skin so pale it borders on being completely white, they also usually have long jet black hair.

Look at the WAR official trailer and watch the Elves, neither of them look remotely like a Night Elf.

 

It doesn't matter, their look more similar to DE then HE.

Honestly they don't, DE and HE look the same but with different armour beacuse they are the same race, it's a civil war. In WoW there are two different races of Elves that look completely different from each other.

 

Who cares about armor or other stuff you can put on? Even a kid will tell you NE look closer to DE then HE.

It's just small details, no one cares if NE's ears longer then DE's or hair color, or even armor difference, those things are trivial.

Hmm no matter how it pans out I think I will go for the side that is outnumbered, even if it means giving up on the race I wanted, I learnt my lesson from WoW. Though fingers crossed I hope it's even or at the very least Order will outnumber Destruction so that I can roll a beloved Chaos. 

Originally posted by BryanBoitono

 

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Originally posted by SpiritofGame

 

Nope -- not going to happen.
WoW Alliance outnumbered Horde because Horde races (until Blood Elves) were posture-challenged, ugly races. Most players simply do not identify strongly with "ugly" races.
Both Order and Destruction in WAR have their share of "attractive" avatars so choosing between Empire and Chaos or High Elf and Dark Elf will be less problematic.
Many of the so-called "Good" races will have "badass" stamped all over them ... just as the "Evil" races will ... making class-choice more important than mere "good vs. evil" decisions.

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What evidence do you have that the look and so called "ugliness" of the horde affected its player base? any? none? no official poles? no actual surveys? no sample selections? no, I know because I have looked. Its bull. People may have chosen alliance over horde for hundreds of reasons. One being, oh..I don't know, the fact that they where overly popular in one and two due to the knights and the fact that main campaign in one centered on humans and elves? It could have been any number of reasons. I don't know, you don't know, no one does.

 

Evidence?  Oh, I don't know -- how about a million freaking comments on the WoW Forums heavily criticizing Blizzard for making ALL Horde avatars both "stooped over" and "ugly."  Numerous repeated posts telling Blizzard that the Horde races and the Horde environments were ugly and that the players didn't want ugly characters.  You don't need polls, surveys or sample selections for this -- it's on their FORUMS!  Probably the only place you forgot to look for information, eh?

Did you even notice that the Blood Elves were purposely made to be a "pretty" race?  This was in direct response to the "ugly Horde" coments that players have made about WoW from the very beginning.

People didn't choose Alliance over Horde for "hundreds of reasons."  They choose Alliance because Alliance had the more attractive races.  This has been stated on the WoW Forums for years now.

And, just because YOU don't know this doesn't mean that I don't know this.  In fact, nearly everybody who is even basically aware of WoW races is completely aware of this "attractive vs. ugly" avatar-choice dynamic.  Some players specifically like "ugly" avatars, but the majority of players prefer "attractive" avatars.  And, frankly, if you cannot find polls, surveys or sample selections to confirm that ... you aren't even looking.

And that, my friend, is exactly why players choose initially certain races over others: it's the looks.

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Originally posted by SpiritofGame

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Originally posted by BryanBoitono

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Originally posted by SpiritofGame

Nope -- not going to happen.
WoW Alliance outnumbered Horde because Horde races (until Blood Elves) were posture-challenged, ugly races. Most players simply do not identify strongly with "ugly" races.
Both Order and Destruction in WAR have their share of "attractive" avatars so choosing between Empire and Chaos or High Elf and Dark Elf will be less problematic.
Many of the so-called "Good" races will have "badass" stamped all over them ... just as the "Evil" races will ... making class-choice more important than mere "good vs. evil" decisions.

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What evidence do you have that the look and so called "ugliness" of the horde affected its player base? any? none? no official poles? no actual surveys? no sample selections? no, I know because I have looked. Its bull. People may have chosen alliance over horde for hundreds of reasons. One being, oh..I don't know, the fact that they where overly popular in one and two due to the knights and the fact that main campaign in one centered on humans and elves? It could have been any number of reasons. I don't know, you don't know, no one does.

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Evidence? Oh, I don't know -- how about a million freaking comments on the WoW Forums heavily criticizing Blizzard for making ALL Horde avatars both "stooped over" and "ugly." Numerous repeated posts telling Blizzard that the Horde races and the Horde environments were ugly and that the players didn't want ugly characters. You don't need polls, surveys or sample selections for this -- it's on their FORUMS! Probably the only place you forgot to look for information, eh?
Did you even notice that the Blood Elves were purposely made to be a "pretty" race? This was in direct response to the "ugly Horde" coments that players have made about WoW from the very beginning.
People didn't choose Alliance over Horde for "hundreds of reasons." They choose Alliance because Alliance had the more attractive races. This has been stated on the WoW Forums for years now.
And, just because YOU don't know this doesn't mean that I don't know this. In fact, nearly everybody who is even basically aware of WoW races is completely aware of this "attractive vs. ugly" avatar-choice dynamic. Some players specifically like "ugly" avatars, but the majority of players prefer "attractive" avatars. And, frankly, if you cannot find polls, surveys or sample selections to confirm that ... you aren't even looking.
And that, my friend, is exactly why players choose initially certain races over others: it's the looks.

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If you look back at the history of MMO's you will see the trend has never changed.

EQ/EQ2:Good outnumber eveil to point of the evil guys not even wanting to pvp half the time. It was Horrble.

SWG: Rebels outnumbered Imperials 6:1 on weekends and 3:1 during the week, but it was a painfully apparent imbalance.

I don't think it's actually the look of the character(though that is important to alot of people) I think it's actually what I like to call the Hero factor. This accounts that alot of players want to be the hero. In SWG everybody wanted to be a Jedi...Why? Because the Jedi were the heroes. Very few wanted to be sith and that made for some difficult fights in that game.

Look at Lotr, they don't even have good vs. Evil. Everybody is "good" but you have to level up separately to become evil and it's a harder path imo.

The bottom line is that alot of players want to be the hero and they see no gain in being evil. Alot of people here at MMORPG.com are old school pvpers and like to be evil like myself. We will all meet up with destruction as our banner and all the kids who defect from WoW will end up on order. So be it, we;re better pvpers anyways.

BRING IT ORDER!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by Daecla

If you look back at the history of MMO's you will see the trend has never changed.

EQ/EQ2:Good outnumber eveil to point of the evil guys not even wanting to pvp half the time. It was Horrble.

SWG: Rebels outnumbered Imperials 6:1 on weekends and 3:1 during the week, but it was a painfully apparent imbalance.

I don't think it's actually the look of the character(though that is important to alot of people) I think it's actually what I like to call the Hero factor. This accounts that alot of players want to be the hero. In SWG everybody wanted to be a Jedi...Why? Because the Jedi were the heroes. Very few wanted to be sith and that made for some difficult fights in that game.

I agree regarding the hero factor, and I feel it is underestimated, too. I think it is a more important argument than "pretty vs. attractive" as well, really.

While I am no psychologist, I would argue that via books, movies, etc., we are conditioned to admire heroes and, when possible, attempt to emulate them, since they are the pinnacle of success. Heroes get respect, fame, chicks, fortunes, etc. The "bad guys" get put in prison, exiled, killed, or end up changing to the side of good in a dramatic turn of events. They are also not the focus of stories (usually), which tend to follow the hero around on his quest to save the world, not follow the villain around on his mission to destroy it.

So, I think that fairly one-sided exposure to good vs. evil means something. For as many people who think playing evil is neat and cool, I think there are far more who would rather play the role of the knight in shining armour who saves the day, since I think most of us like to believe, like fiction tells us, that good triumphs over evil, and we want to be on the triumphant side.

As a side note, I am fairly tired of people saying that there is no good and evil in WAR. Spin it however you want, the fact remains that Destruction is the one pushing Order around, attempting to slaughter everyone and take over everything. Have the races of Order done some despicable things in the past? Oh, certainly. However, Destruction most certainly is the evil aggressor disrupting the peace in this case, and EA Mythic is going with that since it makes a better story and game than one that is neutral. All of the lore used for WAR basically describes Order as sitting around, minding their own business, when this nutty Dark Elf Malekith decides he is pissed off about being screwed out of being king of the Elves and bitter about losing the civil war, and so engineers a massive plot to destroy everything, especially the High Elves - that seems pretty evil to me. They have even stated in interviews how Destruction is "evil"...they are not ambivalent on the matter and are not trying to make a game where either side can be viewed as being correct from a traditional view of what is good. If you choose Destruction, you are choosing to fight on the evil side, even if you yourself are not evil, and if you are choose Order, you are choosing to fight on the side of good, even if you yourself are not good.

I've said it before in these threads:

In WAR, the draw will be individual races, I believe. In WoW, you usually choose a faction, THEN a race. In WAR, each race is so fleshed out and has it's own style/culture, that players will choose a race regardless of faction. In WoW, most of a race's "feeling" and style were just based off of their horde/alliance allegiance.

I dont know what the OP is talking about. Warrior priest or Knight of the Blazing sun ftw.

LUPERCAL!

The most popular WOW races are humans night elves and undead with Blood elfs closing in slowly but most people are Undead because they have the best racials.

I see Warhammer Online being more even because both sides offer unique classes to each race. The Destruction arn't all that great because Orcs are a niche loved race from warhammer fans and chaos all look crap but the heavy armored class. The Dark elves will attract people but we havn't seen them all yet and to be honest most people still want to play characters on a good side or that they could see as themselves. So the Humans have a evry nice looking towns and races so i think they'll be mighty popular i also think High elves will be popular because of the leagolas lovers + swordmasters and stuff. The Dwarf race will probably be the least played because they always are as people don't want to be short, so they better give a great incentive to play them.

Me personally i'm going for Squig herder atm.

The emulation of heroes, or the "Hero theory" is a pretty good one. I never really put it down to that, but it sounds more plausible than the "ZOMGLOLSEXYRACES" Theory. Sure, attractiveness brings in a small number of players, its bound to happen, I won't deny it, I just don't think that its as big as everyone makes it out to be. For one thing, most people don't like change or random destruction. (notice, I said MOST). They enjoy nice, orderly events, with something to depend on. This alone makes me feel that order will outnumber destruction. I hate to say it like that, but lets face it, who wants to emulate, in the end, something that embodies the negative half of you?

Orcs:
This is our tendency towards random and unnecessary violence. Thats what this race was intended to embody, although comical, it still embodies a negative aspect. It also encompass the negative aspect of hierarchy and how the larger and more powerful tend to feed of the meeker.

Dark elves:
They are the embodiment of our narcissistic self image, our drug addictions, our self entitlement.


Chaos:
They are the embodiment of out de-evolution, the slow yet eventual decay to immoral life styles and practices. They embody irony as fear of this causes even the most well meaning people to act in fear and in some cases, harm their own and the innocent out of the very fear of change, even if the change doesn't bring destruction.

my experience is the exact opposite of the orig poster. in MMOs and CS.

in wow all the noobs(and there were a lot) played alliance.  and in CS i will switch to balance out teams because it actually does (balance) when a good person switches... more noobs is just more fodder. can usually sway pubs one way or the other ;)

i think that it will vary from server to server. but it should balance out because they want to make battle group type things like in wow. dunno' if they are or not because it does some negative stuff also.

I dont know. People always seem to favor the "good" side. Personally, i have run high end 8 man on DAoC, but i also like the "pretty" races/classes. High Elf Archmage ftw?

Originally posted by brostyn

Umm, in WoW Alliance outnumbers Horde. 1.3:1.

The 2 most popular classes are the Human and Night Elf both belonging to Alliance. Blood Elf is third, which has helped even out the sides a bit.

The ugliest and meanest, which I consider Orc and Troll are the two least played races. Not sure why you are thinking peolpe choose the biggest, meanest, ugliest  toons, when the evidence says otherwise.

 

http://www.warcraftrealms.com/census.php

It was real bad before the blood elves evened things out.

 

I also suspect your assumptions in VG are probably just as wrong.

Maybe because Warhammer baddies look bad and not just dumb.

Originally posted by vazzaroth

I've said it before in these threads:

In WAR, the draw will be individual races, I believe. In WoW, you usually choose a faction, THEN a race. In WAR, each race is so fleshed out and has it's own style/culture, that players will choose a race regardless of faction. In WoW, most of a race's "feeling" and style were just based off of their horde/alliance allegiance.

I'd like to clearify:  I made this thread because this and other WAR forums were filled with threads that gave an overwhelming feeling of people praising the Destruction side far above Order. 

I wasn't the only one, soon after Dominia made a similair thread siting other reasons why Destruction may outbalance Order.  And what I find interesting is that in both threads I see alot of:

"I think people will play Order because they like being the hero....though I personally will play Dest."

"I think poeple will play Order because they look sexier....though I will be a goblin squig herder"

"People will play Order because ______ .... though I'm set on Destruction"

I just thought that in a game that was PvP centric, it was important to bring up this disturbing pattern.  I also wanted to ask that the people who have a talent for PvP try considering joining Order, since they almost always drawn to the ''evil'' side. 

Lastly, I'd like people to stop using WoW as an example for why people chose the good side.  WoW has the same classes for both factions and the armor is the same for both factions.  Its apples and oranges.  I used WoW as an example of being outnumbered by ''evil'' in the past, especially when it came to players who PvP'ed.

I might just have to change my opinion after looking at the guilds forum on here. Destruction does seem to heavily outnumber Order, then again it could just be that Destruction are much more vocal or there happen to just be more on these boards.

You played WoW and you say something like that? Almost every server i played horde on had 500% more alliance then horde i don't know what your smoking, And alliance were mostly filled with little kid night elfs ugly.....

Since you have not played a real mmo like AC2, SWG or even DAoC you may not know what unbalanced is. You are going by a poll with 300 votes and 1 dev go you. (not trying to flame)

DESTRUCTION! CHAOS! DARK ELVES!

While I had fun playing horde in a good guild as underdog on a heavy unbalanced server (Alleria), I think, the words above will determine a well populated realm. The Angelina666s await you. ;)

I think they are putting a heap of hype and publicity on the chaos/destruction forces because they want to make sure the forces are about equal. People usually tend to go for the good guys as they are beautiful, majestic, and righteous which is absolutely fine IMO. Not *as* many people go for the evil guys, so it doesn't hurt to point out that the evil guys have their own things going for them. Looks and bragging rights are a big factor in peoples decisions in MMOGs from what I have seen and done myself.

Not to point out the obvious but that "pretty race" of human's really isn't pretty.  I really hope that there are a vast number of face / hair options or something more sophisticated for character customization, because the way things are looking so far it's elf or elf if you want a pretty character.  Sure it's entirely subjective, but given a lot of the absolutely beautiful artwork in the Warhammer lore, admittedly Brettonian is better, the grumpy frumpy thing for humans is really not going to sell me on this game - 100000 vs 9.

i dont mind the 10000:1 ration as long as there is enought greenskins to point my guns at (witches will do the job as well)