Another game handled by SOE?

Won't these people ever learn anything SOE touches turns to shit. Look at every game in SOE's stable including Vanguard and that will tell you all you need to know about this new game coming out.  It will either be unfinished, unpolished, bugged to the hilt or any number of negative things wrong with it.

Yes, it's a new game and many people will go check it out but don't be surprised if it turns out to be another Vanguard.  Players know enough by now to know SoE's grubby dirty hands are all over this one and judging by their track record this one is sure to bomb too.

Originally posted by sololoco

Another game handled by SOE?

Won't these people ever learn anything SOE touches turns to shit. Look at every game in SOE's stable including Vanguard and that will tell you all you need to know about this new game coming out.  It will either be unfinished, unpolished, bugged to the hilt or any number of negative things wrong with it.

Yes, it's a new game and many people will go check it out but don't be surprised if it turns out to be another Vanguard.  Players know enough by now to know SoE's grubby dirty hands are all over this one and judging by their track record this one is sure to bomb too.

i meanr seriously if SOE was a reputable company..then guess what.. there would not be such a huge stigma on them and any company that: "oh they doing our billing servers etc" type deals, which lead to vanguardesque situations.

Other then world of warcraft name one still highly populated non-SOE game.........

Originally posted by lordtwisted

Other then world of warcraft name one still highly populated non-SOE game.........

and um SOE i guess would be EQ just b/c that was a pioneer of MMO's.

eq2 is a failure imho, tried it but they screwed over players, changed the game many times, the whole gameplay and public dupe ruined economy...

um I really cannot think of a  atm successful SOE game

Originally posted by Napocalypse

 

Originally posted by lordtwisted

Other then world of warcraft name one still highly populated non-SOE game.........

WOW= blizzard not SOE..

 

 

and um SOE i guess would be EQ just b/c that was a pioneer of MMO's.

 

eq2 is a failure imho, tried it but they screwed over players, changed the game many times, the whole gameplay and public dupe ruined economy...

 

um I really cannot think of a  atm successful SOE game

  MMOs come and go like a monthly period these days, and none of them can hold a persons attention longer then a couple months, because none of it is new. Its all the same old crud over and over again. Imagine standing in line to watch a great new ground breaking fantasy movie and all you get is a movie about a bunch of hobnobits that have to take a bracelet to the ocean of brightwaters to dispose of it forever with the aid of thier friends lego-lass and brandolf the not so wise.

Originally posted by lordtwisted

 

Originally posted by Napocalypse

 

Originally posted by lordtwisted

Other then world of warcraft name one still highly populated non-SOE game.........

WOW= blizzard not SOE..

 

 

and um SOE i guess would be EQ just b/c that was a pioneer of MMO's.

 

eq2 is a failure imho, tried it but they screwed over players, changed the game many times, the whole gameplay and public dupe ruined economy...

 

um I really cannot think of a  atm successful SOE game

Read my post again...it says other then WOW name one NON-SOE game, as in name one game not ran by SOE that is still running strong other the WOW.

 

  MMOs come and go like a monthly period these days, and none of them can hold a persons attention longer then a couple months, because none of it is new. Its all the same old crud over and over again. Imagine standing in line to watch a great new ground breaking fantasy movie and all you get is a movie about a bunch of hobnobits that have to take a bracelet to the ocean of brightwaters to dispose of it forever with the aid of thier friends lego-lass and brandolf the not so wise.

entropia

Anarchy Online

Ultima Online

EVE Online

I do agree SOE is great at selling games, just not maintaining them.  If the developers are going to actually run and moderate the game and SOE is as hands off as everyone says then this deal really maybe ok. 

Some words of caution with SOE about their billing system though, many people have been continued to be billed after subscriptions cancelled (in both EQ2 and The Matrix Online, had several guild members including myself experience this problem).  Also if you except a free trial from any SOE game, DO NOT enter your credit card information, as in says in very small print on an unrelated screen, that when you do so you forgo the free trial and begin pay 2 play immedieatly.  The matrix online actually had a sticky thread about how this is a known issue in their system and would be resolved soon, but it was never resolved and no one who unintenially entered thier CC info got refunds, even after pointing out it was a known issue.  Just some of my personal experience with SOE, and for those reasons I cant say that I would ever be thrilled to play an SOE game again.   

I understand we're all human, and companies make mistakes, but Ive spoken with a lot of SOE customer service agents over the years and have never found any to be helpful or polite even when they post in their own forums its a mistake they know about and are trying to fix.  I hope the developers factored that into their equations when they decided to publish with SOE, but my guess is theyve never had to deal with a complaint with SOE from the customer's point of view.

I do wanna thank the developer though for taking the time to post in this forum to stay in touch with thier community, and defend their actions.  After signing with SOE, that takes a lot of balls.  Sounds like a good game, please try to keep it that way.

Originally posted by goingwylde

I do agree SOE is great at selling games, just not maintaining them.  If the developers are going to actually run and moderate the game and SOE is as hands off as everyone says then this deal really maybe ok. 

Some words of caution with SOE about their billing system though, many people have been continued to be billed after subscriptions cancelled (in both EQ2 and The Matrix Online, had several guild members including myself experience this problem).  Also if you except a free trial from any SOE game, DO NOT enter your credit card information, as in says in very small print on an unrelated screen, that when you do so you forgo the free trial and begin pay 2 play immedieatly.  The matrix online actually had a sticky thread about how this is a known issue in their system and would be resolved soon, but it was never resolved and no one who unintenially entered thier CC info got refunds, even after pointing out it was a known issue.  Just some of my personal experience with SOE, and for those reasons I cant say that I would ever be thrilled to play an SOE game again.   

I understand we're all human, and companies make mistakes, but Ive spoken with a lot of SOE customer service agents over the years and have never found any to be helpful or polite even when they post in their own forums its a mistake they know about and are trying to fix.  I hope the developers factored that into their equations when they decided to publish with SOE, but my guess is theyve never had to deal with a complaint with SOE from the customer's point of view.

I do wanna thank the developer though for taking the time to post in this forum to stay in touch with thier community, and defend their actions.  After signing with SOE, that takes a lot of balls.  Sounds like a good game, please try to keep it that way.

Yeah I have heard that SOE's customer survice has got better, not that, that mattters as customer sevice is being done by FLS with help from a 3rd party.

Gonna play this one boys, can't say it will be good tho .. but it looks good enough to try.

Originally posted by Dreneth

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

I am quite excited to have another game on the Acesses pass, makes the price that much more appealing.

Ah yes... the access pass.  SOE's version of walmart business tactics.  Swallow as many games as possible to pull as many players away from independent or smaller game studios.  But I suppose in this day and age, I shouldn't be surprised how little people care about that sort of thing.

Let's see what's exactly on the Access Pass shall we?  Everquest 1 - Old, extremely top heavy game that only the vets generally enjoy.  Station pass is keeping it alive (as well as two, three boxers and gold farm accounts).  Everquest 2 - The only truely worthwhile game, the anchor game for SOE right now.  SWG - Could still be great but they botched it with NGE.  Actually the game is good, could use some more updating on graphics.  Matrix Online  - Boring ass game, all but dead, station pass keeping it on life support.  Planetside  - Game should be free by now, old, sad.  Vanguard  - Awesome game, premier content, wasn't finished due to Microsoft pulling the plug, SOE rescued it, might still be a A+ game in the future.  Station Pass keeping some blood flowing to the veins.  EQOA - PS2 game, nice addition there for cross-platform players, actually a good game.  Station Access Games - little mini-games, stupid freebees added in. 

And NOW Pirates of the Burning Sea.  One of the FEW games I am looking forward to for 2007!

If SOE decides to add The Agency as well that will be a HUGE value!

Everquest 1 used to have the Legends server which would be a premium server, more GM events, etc.  And people paid nearly $25.00 for it.  For ONE game.  With Station All Access you at least can try other games for variety.  Let me tell you SOE does some stupid things sometimes, but they also do some things VERY VERY WELL!  And honestly they have charted some new waters for the industry to follow and in doing so made some mistakes, but they are a good company.

I own Station Pass and I find it a better value every month.

I    SOE ,  i even have a SOE coffee cup!  GO Sony go! 

Can't agree more. I have been personally undergoing SOE's way of customer satisfaction (feel the irony) and told myself "no more, ever". Same applies to EA, for that matter.

It's about personal pride, it's about never ever giving them one dime of my money ever again. So they have improved you say? Too bad, they had their chance(s) and they blew it, a few times.

For the record, i do that with every company that treats me like i don't matter. Be it the grocery shop, my bank, or a game company. I can only hope there will be more customers like me, because then it WILL have influence on how they need to fight to get and hold on to customers.

Originally posted by Napocalypse

 

Originally posted by lordtwisted

 

Originally posted by Napocalypse

 

Originally posted by lordtwisted

Other then world of warcraft name one still highly populated non-SOE game.........

WOW= blizzard not SOE..

 

 

and um SOE i guess would be EQ just b/c that was a pioneer of MMO's.

 

eq2 is a failure imho, tried it but they screwed over players, changed the game many times, the whole gameplay and public dupe ruined economy...

 

um I really cannot think of a  atm successful SOE game

Read my post again...it says other then WOW name one NON-SOE game, as in name one game not ran by SOE that is still running strong other the WOW.

 

  MMOs come and go like a monthly period these days, and none of them can hold a persons attention longer then a couple months, because none of it is new. Its all the same old crud over and over again. Imagine standing in line to watch a great new ground breaking fantasy movie and all you get is a movie about a bunch of hobnobits that have to take a bracelet to the ocean of brightwaters to dispose of it forever with the aid of thier friends lego-lass and brandolf the not so wise.

 

 

entropia

Anarchy Online

Ultima Online

EVE Online

Ummm, Entropia has never been, and never will be successful. Anarchy online was so successful they had to make it all free to keep people playing, and even then the game looks so bad no one wants to play.  Ultima was a good game a long time ago but most people that still play play on the illegal emulated servers.  Eve online I have not played, but from what I understand is a great game, so I will agree with that one, but untill recently I wouldn't have considered it main stream, which most of SOEs game are.

"If your hatred for SOE comes from what happened to SWG you really should start to put your blame on Lucas Arts, SOE just did what they were told"

That statement is so blantantly untrue it is pathetic.  Smedley made the call on NGE, noone else.  Yes Lucas Arts wanted some changes, but Smedley was the facilitator.  Go read Ralph Koster's site, it explains Smedley's complicity in some detail.

SOE ?  Thats all I i had to read.  Sorry but i'm passing on this game as well.  Too bad, I was looking forward to trying it out, now i have no desire.  Call me a hater blah blah blah.....SOE is not good for MMORPGS.  I wish developers would stop using them.

"So aside from that, how did you enjoy the play Mrs. Lincoln?"

I totally understand that some people are just not going to play our game because of SOE. I have some hope that if we have a good launch and good word of mouth, that eventually maybe you'll give us a shot. If not, I wish you good gaming anyway.

Originally posted by johntynes
"So aside from that, how did you enjoy the play Mrs. Lincoln?"

I totally understand that some people are just not going to play our game because of SOE. I have some hope that if we have a good launch and good word of mouth, that eventually maybe you'll give us a shot. If not, I wish you good gaming anyway.

John Scott Tynes
Producer
Flying Lab Software

  I don't think SOE is the problem with these games, I think the games are the problems with todays MMO. Trying to keep a game fresh and new feeling for several years is a challenge. Give me diversity, let my charachter be unique from everyone else, not only in looks, but skills, make sure I will have things to do even with out a group, my time to play is limited, and for me to miss a week of play and come back and the players have surpassed me by several levels, here I am all alone in the noob areas with nothing to do? this is what can kill a game.

  I want to be able to log in when I want, fo however long I want and not be at the bottom of the food chain.

per aspera ad astra.

Gimme a good game and I ´ll play it.

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Originally posted by johntynes
"So aside from that, how did you enjoy the play Mrs. Lincoln?"

I totally understand that some people are just not going to play our game because of SOE. I have some hope that if we have a good launch and good word of mouth, that eventually maybe you'll give us a shot. If not, I wish you good gaming anyway.

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So much couth. Again, you guys rule.

Well all I can say is well done and I'll seee you all in game Me Hearties.