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His post was far more disconcerting than yours.  Don't apologize... anyone who can't form a complete sentence even with abbreviated words (UR?) isn't in a position to criticize anyone.

I haven't, and probably won't try Vanguard for a long time. I had many friends leave the game we were playing to give VG a try, based on the promises - promises that for the most part were not ready at launch and still aren't, as this review mentions.

Poo-poo on unfinished game releases.

There is one thing that I dislike greatly and have heard in more than one place:

 "For example, VG rethought the Cleric class: instead of being an exercise in heal-and-sit-and-stand-and-heal, the VG Cleric is a powerful meleer, and is expected to help in combat."

No, no they did not. They might be the first to put the idea into practic in an MMO (not necessarily true either), but they didn't 'rethink' it. Let's go back to the late 1970's and dust off our old D&D books, shall we? Heck, let's go with an example I was alive for - 2nd Edition AD&D or even the 3.x D&D of more recent days - where your cleric has always been a mace wielder who can wear heavier armor and back up a fighter in melee!

  Yar.

I am excited about about the upcoming patch and Update 2.  We already know that it is going to provide a rested experience feature, so that you can obtain rested experience if you are not able to play everyday. 

To be sure:

Yes.  All classes can solo to max level.  The world provides an array of solo, small group content.

Edit on June 29th: it is a small group oriented game, so duos, trios, and quads work best. (But with a Necro, Druid, Shaman, or a Pscionist you could probably reach max level without ever having to group).

Yes.  The upcoming server mergers will help with population for grouping and growing guilds.  (the game was released unfinished, so many quit until the game is finished.  The game was buggy, laggy at release so many also quit.  The game still started with way too many servers because the world is so enormous!)

No.  It is not a forced-raiding game. 

No.  It is not a forced-grouping game.

Yes. The world is that massive.  Exploration is always fun and interesting!

I wanted to give some screenshots, as the review did not have very many:

A nice view: i181.photobucket.com/albums/x167/truenorthbg/View.jpg

Group in Thelessan:  i181.photobucket.com/albums/x167/truenorthbg/Hell.jpg

Named in a Dungeon: i181.photobucket.com/albums/x167/truenorthbg/fullpartyv.%20named.jpg

Frog attack!:  i181.photobucket.com/albums/x167/truenorthbg/frogattack.jpg

Bug attack!: i181.photobucket.com/albums/x167/truenorthbg/Bugattack.jpg

The infamous:  i181.photobucket.com/albums/x167/truenorthbg/InfamousGaku.jpg

Originally posted by Thamoris

This review was obviously written with a strong anti-Vanguard bias. I don't say this because I am some kind of Vanbois or anything. I really think the review person went out of her way to point out negatives while downplaying the positive aspects of the game. It was NOT a BALANCED review.

 

Nothing like proving yourself wrong by rabidly defending a game.

Truly I would like to see these 30 page reviews people keep telling us about. I read many gaming magazines. Rarely do I see more than 2 pages devoted to a single review, and most of those pages are pictures. I read many gaming websites. Rarely do I see long reviews, unless they are innundated with pictures. Most of the information could be contained on 1 or 2 pages.

Please, tell me where you read these amazing, novel length reviews you people are always talking about. I would like to see them for myself.

Yes the performance of the game is really bad, as one person said the Lag is not bad if you are away from crowds but in town it is a nightmare, unless this game is optimized properly it is unplayable.  Because of the lag it is just too annoying to play for long or short periods of time.  It is to bad because the game has some decent gameplay to it.

Alright, i been reading a lot about this game.  I am looking for a good mmorpg, to keep me busy till either AOC comes out or War comes out.  I tried Lotro..... i could not stay with it.  This game looks good, seems like fun,  but I 'm so baffled by all the negative things i read about it, and then people protecting it.  Seems this is a good game, that just got caught up in politics of  the creators. And it needs to be updated some.  Something that seems it will be fixed over time.  My question is, it worth going out buying the game and spending $15 a month on it for next 3-6 months, or will i play it for a month and drop it just like Lotro?? LoL

These threads stop being fun when it starts to feel hostile.  People should chill a little and remember that we're talking about a game.  No ones life is on the line here.

I think that some are being a little to hard on Taera.  Her play style sounds very much like my own.  I think that it would speak to the typical MMOer.  Kind of casual, but not entirely.  I personally play often, but I play casually.  I don't really dive head long and invest a portion of myself to the game.  The things I look for when I'm playing an MMO, Taera poiinted out nicely.  I'll try a little crafting, but regardless of it's gameplay, I'm not really going to get into it.  I adventure, and that's what I'll spend 99% of my time playing the game doing.  It's the most important part of the game.  It that isn't going to keep people playing, then it doesn't really matter how good the crafting or diplomacy is.

If you're a casual type gamer, and you don't play MMO's to craft, then the crafting may not please you.  Most people that don't craft, don't care, and most people, I think, don't craft.

I got the impression from the review that Taera tried crafting, but didn't really get into it; in fact she said crafting really isn't her thing..  She is also very right.  Crafting and diplomacy are very subjective.  I personally, have no idea what crafters find fun.  Every crafting system feels the same to me.  I stand in one spot clicking buttons while I watch some progress bar.  Woohoo.  Fun.

Diplomacy is just a card game.  You may like it, you may not.  There really isn't much that I could see that needs to be said about it.  Everyone knows how it works by now.  Every review I've read about diplomacy has felt like an overview of how it works.  We don't really need another one of those do we?  How many people are going to log into VG JUST to be a diplomat?  Really now, if the gameplay isn't fun for them, are they going to continue playing just for the card game?  If you can't get past the gameplay, then does it really matter?

Harvesting.  I'm a harvester.  It's my thing for some reason.  But if the adventuring isn't fun then I'm not going to run around and click nodes.  I can do that in any MMO for the most part.  So why not do it in one that has good gameplay.  I see absolutely no reason for a review about harvesting.  Everyone already has an opinion on what it's like to harvest.  It's no dif. in VG.

It is fair however, for us to expect to see some brief overview of all of the features in the game, but as a typical MMOer it's not really important. 

Normally I would want to know about PvP.  It's PvP, then adventuring, then harvesting.  But PvP is very subjective.  It's like crafting.  It can be mentioned, but I don't think it can really be reviewed.  You're either hardcore, casual, or no PvP at all.  I don't think you can really write a review of VG PvP that isn't slanted towards one of them player types.

It's unfortunate that VG has no purpose for PvP at the moment.  I dont' even care about balanced PvP.  As long as I can kill other players I'm happy.  If I can't kill another player in game then it doesn't matter how fun the adventuring is, and if the game only has senceless killing of other players then PvP isn't fun.  Money drops are nice, but not enough; I mean this in every sence it could be applied.

I would have liked to see some XP gain from killing other players.  I don't care that it encourages people to kill each other; in fact, that's exactly why I want.  I would rather be killed by another player because I have worth then to be killed for nothing.  The only game that has plenty of PvP (for me), rewards killing other players (and penalty for being killed), fun adventuring, and usefull harvesting is EQ2.   

If VG gives more reason to kill other players, and more players to kill, then I'll be more active.  As is, I'll just peak in every now and then for fun.

Originally posted by Agent_X7

 

Originally posted by Thamoris

This review was obviously written with a strong anti-Vanguard bias. I don't say this because I am some kind of Vanbois or anything. I really think the review person went out of her way to point out negatives while downplaying the positive aspects of the game. It was NOT a BALANCED review.

 

 

Nothing like proving yourself wrong by rabidly defending a game.

Truly I would like to see these 30 page reviews people keep telling us about. I read many gaming magazines. Rarely do I see more than 2 pages devoted to a single review, and most of those pages are pictures. I read many gaming websites. Rarely do I see long reviews, unless they are innundated with pictures. Most of the information could be contained on 1 or 2 pages.

Please, tell me where you read these amazing, novel length reviews you people are always talking about. I would like to see them for myself.

Where did " 30 pages " come from? Did I say I wanted a 30 page review? I think not.

After a 6 month wait...something more than a 300 word review that talked about ..roughly 20% of game would have been nice though.

At least a review that would touch on ALL aspects of the game.

AND...why are my posts being deleted ??

I am not flaming anyone...using foul or vulgar words ...staying on topic. What gives?