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6/06/07 3:08:05 PM#41
If anyone has actually noticed, that FAQ stating that HJ will be released in 07 was last updated in May of 2006. So I think it's obvious that the game isn't going to be released this year. Is that a problem? Not at all. Whenever the game is released is fine by me. It's better that they take their time and get it right rather than rush a game and have it be horrible at launch. Remember that WoW took 5 years to develop and it's not even that good of a game. So just think how much work is required to make a game with the depth and detail of HJ? And I wouldn't worry about how many races are actually playable at launch. As has already been stated, this game will be in constant development, even after launch, so whatever isn't available at launch will be added later on. I think that some people are getting the impression that because something that was said to be in the game at launch and has since been scratched will never be in the game. Just because something isn't going to be able to make launch doesn't mean that they'll just give up on it. Whatever is included in the launch will still be better than at least 90% of the MMO's out there and their game engine will only allow the game to improve over time. That's what we're overlooking here. How their engine will seperate HJ from current games. You won't have to buy an expansion pack to get the new features so I don't think that we'll have to wait a year or two after launch to see the things that didn't make the launch. This game will come out and it needs to come out. Right now the MMO industry is plodding through mud. There are so many games out there that follow the same old boring mold. This game will change how MMO's are made and it's only fitting that the company responsible for the MMO industry will be the one to take it to a brand new level. |
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6/06/07 3:08:27 PM#42
Amathe,
You need to seek out Gyren. He has all the answers you seek and more. In fact, he may very well know everything there is to know about anything. Bottom line? Gyren knows. Cemm |
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6/07/07 5:10:41 AM#43
Amathe is making some valid points. The game has been in development for a long time, the publishing date has been postponed several times and in the last year there was very little new information forthcoming. All this could point to vapourware. But for me the situation reads a little bit differently. I do think, that they put the game on to the backburner a bit to work on their new engine. However, I think, that they now have gone back to HJ to finally push it out. Otherwise they would have just let it die a quiet death right now. Why rekindle interest in a game, that does not exist? What would be the business sense in that? It would only damage their reputation. I do think, they have to now move speedily towards launch, otherwise they are in danger of having a dated game on their hands. They also have to give the community more solid information, I agree with that. But at the moment, I am totally willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. The screenshots, the little bits of video, the information they've given us on game-play, all sounds really interesting and fun, so I hope they can deliver. Also, if an argument is constantly repeated, again and again, however valid it is, it starts to grate... The fact is, nobody knows. Not I, not Amathe, nobody but the bosses of Simutronics. All else is speculation. |
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6/07/07 7:44:19 AM#44
Originally posted by Ciredric The company has a history of this sort of thing, it's not good but it really doesn't bother me. Originally posted by Ciredric For the most part they are self funded from the licensing of the HJ engine to Bioware for their MMORPG. In fact the MAIN reason we probably don't hear much about HJ is because they wanted to get the HJ engine down and out there, now they can get on with the game.
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6/07/07 12:48:26 PM#45
Not true! People are annoyed that you keep saying it over and over and over and over again. You arn't saying anything new. We get it. We understand your opinion. Their is no need for you to post it over and over and over. Your not labeled a troll because of what you believe, it's the redundancy. It's the tired "vaporware" whine, every time a new story or bit of information is posted.
Reading comprehension. Why is it so hard for you to get it through your head that they have not committed to a release date? The quote below is very clear. The game will be released when it is deemed ready, by the company.
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6/07/07 2:12:27 PM#46
Originally posted by jgankum
When a game is brand new, it is common for it not to have a release date. Who knows how long it will take? Three years? Six? When all you have is some concept art you can't really expect that kind of specificity. And if you ask, you will be told it will be released when it is ready. But the longer a game is in production, the more the presence or absence of a release date becomes an indicator or whether it is really going to market. The mmorpg.com list is filled with major games that went into production after HJ, and they have release dates. That's because they are real.
EQ1, EQ2, SWG, GW, CoH, CoV, FFXI, WoW, CO, War, and a slew of free trials and beta tests |
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6/07/07 2:53:51 PM#47
I'm not surprised. Perhaps your need for repetition is because you don't get it the first few times around. I asked you a questions that would hopefully elicit a NEW response from you. I see however, you just took the question to restate the same old response. I don't care what you THINK simu owes you. I don't care what you THINK simu should do. What I want to know is, why can't you get it through your head, that they are not going to give you the answer until they are ready? This is just the way Simu does things. I hate it and I think you hate it as well, but it does not prove your claim. Time will prove you right or wrong. Your account of the situation is on record and noted. There is no need for you to repost it after every new post or bit of news. Jonny |
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6/07/07 9:54:25 PM#48
Originally posted by jgankum The article spoke to release at the end (albeit with no date). So my post was relevant. You don't like that? I don't care. 
EQ1, EQ2, SWG, GW, CoH, CoV, FFXI, WoW, CO, War, and a slew of free trials and beta tests |
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6/08/07 12:38:11 AM#49
Why is it that people listen to posts with venom more than posts without? There's many people speaking reasonably throughout this thread, but rarely are people actually listening to what they're saying.
For the people who think it's Vaporware.. Maybe you're right. Judging by past mmorpg standards, yes, it might be right. However, this company is a bit different from the current companies out there so it is hard telling. If you ask anyone who is on the GM team, though, I'm sure they will tell you that it is NOT vaporware. Maybe it can be said to be wishful thinking, I do not know. The company is still taking on volunteer GMs (although with a strict hand) and that's probably all there is to tell from besides the many movies. One was made somewhat recently even, but it is admittedly blurry so it's hard to tell anything. www.heroshall.com/gdc20071.php The rest of the site isn't bad for information either. For the people who do not think it is vaporware.. It seems Amathe at least doesn't mind being ignored. State the reasons for your beliefs and move on from that one. Time will tell who is right and only the ones who feel under-confident that others have a reason to believe them repeat themselves. It reminds me of the song "I Just Can't do it Alone" from Chicago. It's also called Act of Desperation for a reason. |
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6/08/07 12:48:08 AM#50
This article renews my hope in Heros Journey. It always was a good game to follow, but the silence of its progress was casting doubts.
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6/08/07 2:24:40 AM#51
First off, I would like to say that this game will be good, if it ever releases. As much as I would like to see this game on the market, I understand that bad things happens, oh well. And Amathe, I do agree that you have a valid argument, but I also think that you should be open to the possibility that it's not vaporware. And maybe you are, I don't know what you truly think, only what you post. I know Simutronics has been around a long time, and I think they know they have a large enough fanbase that will wait patiently and loyally until the game is ready (if ever). I also think that Simutronics knows what sad shape the MMOG market is in right now, with games like Vanguard going to market in a state not even worthy of being called Beta, and that Simutronics wants to make sure that their game is released when it is ready. And even if this game does turn out to be vaporware, it's not necessarily a bad thing. I think other developers will see the excitement generated by this game, and start to try incorporating the elements of this game into their own games. So whether or not this game comes out, I still think it will change MMOGs. Everyone just needs to be open to the fact that it may or may not come out. My opinion is that it will come out, based on this article and the release of class info 3 at a time. |
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Maxximus
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Joined: 12/02/04
"Beware the Gold Farmers, My Son, and Shun the Thrunderous Bandersnatch." |
6/11/07 5:40:23 AM#52
Ahhhh, the silence has been broken. Whew... As several have said, they're waiting for this game and so am I. Additionally, there is that "Air of Caution" in the MMO arena. Pay X-Amount, see it crap out and spend more. Yeah, we love our MMOs but it's like the Holy Grail. Such is the Industry. Are MMOs dead? No. Are *GOOD* MMO's coming out? Sure, although it depends on who you talk to and which game they're talking about. The question is which one to (both) play-test and lay down silvers. With HJ, I honestly think that laying down the coin of the realm is in my (hopefully near) future. Great article and my hope is renewed in Simu! -- The Maxx |
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Raven99
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Joined: 11/18/05
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6/13/07 6:56:57 AM#53
Originally posted by StraddenAh finally The master of a true roleplaying game. There is no company that understands roleplaying better than good ol' Simutronics. If this game gets even have the roleplayers it had in DR and GS then this game will hands down be the best if not for the rping aspect alone. Simu has the best GM's as well. There is just nothing quite like playing GS and DR. Peoples idea of Rping in the current MMO's is laughable. They think if you say "Aye" or "Tis" there roleplaying. If this company proved one things its that a game doesn't have to have graphics to be good. Thumbs up Simu I truly look forward to this one. Raven |
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7/21/07 1:51:59 PM#54
I just want to say thanks for the article, it was a good read. It is good to know that Simutronics is focused on creating a game and an engine that really does push the MMOG genre forward. |
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If you had asked Simu in 2005 when the release would be, and they had said when it is ready, that would have been fine. Mid 2007 and no answer? Combined with the paucity of new info and demonstrable progress? That's a big neon red flag.
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