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genericname1 4/22/07 11:13:18 AM
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Joined: 4/21/07
Feudalism online dev. |
wow, ignorance?
we were banned for the exact same offence that more than 30 people commited, we got the following PM on the forums Seems we have a problem. I suggest you come clean with all you know about this "taxing" of weapons. If you come clean and tell us what is happening and who knows about/is using this you'll only be nailed up for awhile. If we have to take the time away from development to go through our logs to find it out ourselves you'll be nailed up for far longer/perminantly (read: banned). I'll be sending this same PM to others; whoever comes clean will be shown lienency. Whoever does not will have their character and alts nailed up. Why some people do this sort of stuff is beyond me. If you like the game so much why on earth would you create a situation that would cause us to take time away development time from it to discover what is happening when you can just come out and tell us as soon as you find it. Personally I’m not mad so much as I’m disappointed. Now KFR’s mad, don’t doubt that for a second. I replied... From: philjwill To: Kanoth Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 3:12 pm Subject: Ghosting on behalf of all of CI and the scots, I'm sending this pm to say that we did indeed exploit, but we all trained for close on 13 hours a day, at wich point we would all have got massive gains anyway, also, The reason why this bug was exploited so much is that the romans are currently extremely overpowered at the moment, we were getting crushed in battle due to a mix of lag and and inexperienced playerbase, we have all nevertheless trained more than 24 hours total in the last fgew days, even three days ago when we weren't using it we had been, I gained 23 points in spear, only parry points were really affected speedwise. Cultus Immortalium and The Scots _________________ so, I replied, got another PM telling me to get the rest to PM individually. I did so, the others PM'ed too... next we know, we get this e-mail... Our log records indicate that your account was recently involved in the exploitation of an unreported bug. The bug in question would cause a fatigued character to fail to correctly drop their equipped item when disarmed. A "ghosted" copy of the item would remain visible in the player character's hand and could be targeted in order to prevent injury during combat training. The disarmed item would continue to degrade in quality but as it was neither considered as part of the character inventory nor as a dropped object, it would not be destroyed when it reached zero quality level. Doubtless exploiters would have seen multiple "Your xxx has broken" messages while the image of the corresponding item remained. In fact the logs do indicate that in some cases certain individuals would have experienced this self-evidently incorrect behaviour several thousand times in the space of two weeks. It is imperative that all bugs, exploitable or not, are reported to RedBedlam as soon as they are discovered. In cases such as this, where the bug was kept secret within a small subsection of the community in order to maximise its exploitation, the resultant perceived imbalance and the impact on developer resources is unacceptable. The time taken for RedBedlam developers to investigate the bug themselves, with no guidance whatsoever from those exploiting it, has a significant impact on the entire community by delaying important updates, expansions and fixes. After we had confirmed the existence of the bug, we posted about it asking all those involved to communicate directly with us. http://www.roma-victor.com/community/bb/viewtopic.php?t=20238 Within hours of the bug being explained clearly to us, a fix was deployed to the live servers. This serves to illustrate that whenever a serious exploitable bug arises there are two possibilities. Either: 1) The bug is reported to us promptly and with as much supporting information as possible. It will usually be fixed, as in this example and countless others, within a matter of hours, thereby reducing the impact to the community to an absolute minimum. Or: 2) The bug is not reported to us at all and is exploited by a few players until it is discovered by us. Without any feedback or guidance from those that had discovered and/or are exploiting the bug, it will take longer to be fixed and the entire community will therefore be adversely affected. This is not acceptable and anyone found to be cheating in this way is likely to have their account(s) terminated. We have therefore taken steps today to make this situation clear to all of those involved. We have processed the logs and analysed the actions of each player during the two-week period that this particular bug was being exploited. As a result of this investigation, six Roma Victor accounts have been permanently banned. Seven player characters are to be crucified, which involves a seven-day suspension combined with a high visibility in-game identification of the character in question. Six accounts are to be discreetly suspended for five days, fifteen accounts will be suspended for three days and sixteen individuals will simply receive this letter due to the presence of mitigating circumstances. Your account has been terminated. The Terms and Conditions of Service, which describes the agreement between Roma Victor Account Key holders and RedBedlam, is available here: http://www.roma-victor.com/tacos/ Please do not reply to this e-mail. Any queries in regard to this judgement can be directed to abuse@redbedlam.com. With our regards, RedBedlam not exactly leniency is it? as for me griefing, yes, I have in the past griefed a couple of people, but so have the 18th, 29th, CV, etc... they weren't baned for spawncamping, neither were we. the worst things I have done were in IRC and not in any way connected to the game, so far as I know the devs can't take action against me for annoying people in their IRC channel... just because I'm a member of CI doesn't mean I'm automatically evil.. also, explain ajax of the scots being banned, he was relatively new to the game and hadn't griefed or killed anyone EVER. having been with this game for three years and on the forums for longer, I don't think this is any way to actually treat your customers, first, you send a PM promising leniency, then you get permabanned for it, they did not ban us for griefing, they banned us for the bug exploit, when some who knew and exploited the bug for over two weeks were left with 3 and 5 day bans, does this explain my behaviour on the roma-victor forums any? the bans were ExZ, kruniac, ajax and me... capito hasn't played in a year, me and ExZ haven't been friends for a LONG time. basing the theories on why we were banned on the fact that I go around killing newbs for their shoes (wich was over a year ago anyway) is stupid in this case..... over 30 people 'misbehaved' to the same and a larger degree, yet we are singled out, kanoth sent me an e-mail with the reasons, wich were basically that the ToS states that they can ban you no a whim anyway, a game that has kept me playing for this long has to be a good one, make no mistake, I love this game, I just disagree about the way they treated a select few of us. THAT is why I'l on their forums protesting this right now, I know I'm not getting unbanned at all since KFR's word is FINAL, I want to know how they picked those of us who were permabanned, it seems like they just threw a load of names into the hat and picked them out... this is a link of players who agree with us, read the PM's they and I said and judge for yourself. http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/RVpetition/signatures.html |
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tkobo 4/22/07 12:40:02 PM
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Apprentice Member
Joined: 3/17/06
Current MMO dev teams = Keystone cops.A pure comedy of errors,sadly its not as intentional. |
Hahhahahahah FAR too funny. You always have some excuse .Its always poor. You and many others who play that game are its worst feature Sure the game is in a horrible state, but "people" like you did more harm to that games meager chance of becoming something than all save the devs themselves. So again I laugh. You got what youve deserved for quite sometime now. That you were not punished for all your transgressions, yet cry out like some little infant about how the punishment for the few you are finally punished for is too severe, is the funniest thing ive read in some time. Hhahahhahahhahahahhahahhahahahhahahha You all should have been banned in sept of last year, if not before that. BUt , feel free to keep telling us all, how your not that bad a person.How youre being punished unfairly. I among others, WILL find it very amusing. Hahhahahahahhahahahaha |
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genericname1 4/22/07 1:47:03 PM
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Joined: 4/21/07
Feudalism online dev. |
so, your point is, that you don't give a shit? then don't reply. also, you say we should all have been banned last year? wow, the devs didn't seem to think so...
the point stands that we did not receive the leniency we were promised.
dude, how else would you get around the ban without that account being banned? they still haven't got rid of me from those forums anyway... sorry, case of mistaken Identity I think... |
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genericname1 4/22/07 1:48:16 PM
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Novice Member
Joined: 4/21/07
Feudalism online dev. |
this was deleted so I cleaned it up a bit... I never said I wasn't " a bad person" I'm just explaining that this is not why we were banned, we were banned for the bug abuse, read the above e-mail sent by redbedlam themselves... read before you speak. on top of that, one of the peoiple who got permabanned has only been ingame for a bloody month, hasn't set a foot wrong s'far as I can see, others were tempbanned, while we were permabanned, we all got the same e-mail, we all got the same reasons, idiot.
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tkobo 4/22/07 1:54:21 PM
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Joined: 3/17/06
Current MMO dev teams = Keystone cops.A pure comedy of errors,sadly its not as intentional. |
No, again you miss the point entirely. |
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Zakke87 4/22/07 2:05:54 PM
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What I don't understand is why you bring it up here? You should contact the moderators on the RV boards, nobody here will or can do anything about it phil.
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tkobo 4/22/07 2:10:35 PM
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Joined: 3/17/06
Current MMO dev teams = Keystone cops.A pure comedy of errors,sadly its not as intentional. |
Whats to understand ? He feels the need to continue to do what he wants ,despite how bad it is for the game, and so comes here to try and hurt the game further by making himself and those punished out to be the victims, and the devs out as the villains. Dirt laundry, and his fellings of being scorned, sum up his reasons perfectly.
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genericname1 4/22/07 2:17:00 PM
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Joined: 4/21/07
Feudalism online dev. |
because that's not the point of this thread zakke, the point is that you lot were saying we were banned because we griefed, when we were banned for exploiting the same thing everyone did, I have contacted the RV devs, and had little or no reply, this petition was started to at least get some kind of reply... http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/RVpetition/ now I do't care about the reasons tkobo stated for me being banned and what I should've been banned for, the fact is that nearly every guild/legion/warband has been guilty of these things, just because, as a barbarian I killed some newbs, etc, wich a barbarian is perfectly entitled to do, doesn't mean I should get banned, take the CV incident, wich most people agree killed erring, not the shoe banditry. did they get banned? no, did we get banned for that? again , no... this is not ironic, this is lying to the players, I don't care if one or two people think I got what I deserved, it's the way in wich I got it that annoys me... promising leniency in that PM, wich over thirty people can confirm individually, then not being given it, as stated in the e-mail that around thirty people received, is not just. what exactly have I done in the last six months that is so bad tkobo, tell me, do you even play? have you EVER played? if you want to accuse people of stuff, at l | |
