This game is a MMORPG>

Is guildwars Massive? Hm, with over 5 million boxes sold, yes.

Multiplayer? Well, unless ive been playing with bots, I see other people.

Online? Requires internet

Role-Player? Levels, skills, equipment, so I say yes.

Seems like a mmorpg to me

Originally posted by xxreaper008

This game is a MMORPG>

Is guildwars Massive? Hm, with over 5 million boxes sold, yes.

Multiplayer? Well, unless ive been playing with bots, I see other people.

Online? Requires internet

Role-Player? Levels, skills, equipment, so I say yes.

 

Seems like a mmorpg to me

Let me provide a different perspective on that..

For a start, you can't simply go by each word's root word, define it and see if the game matches the definition. While that may seem like a fair analysis of the game, it in facts is anything but fair. Like your first analysis, "Is guildwars Massive?"   The first word in MMORPG is actually Massively, which is used  as an adjective for the 2nd word, Multiplayer. So to provide a more accurate analysis, you MUST keep these two words together.

So it should go more like...

Is GuildWars Massively Multiplayer? Every time you go hunting you're put in your own instance. The ONLY people you can play with are the people in your part.  Even cities are instanced! Now, given that you have the option of grouping with many different people while you're in the city.  I would say that the cities have enough people to be considered MMO.  However when you are doing the missions, a small group isn't MMO at all. And thats all you see when you're out actually playing the game, your small group of people.

So you be the judge, do you consider it Massively Multiplayer? Can you play the game along side many people at once? No, you can't.

That was the only part of your analysis I had a problem with.

Originally posted by Raunu   

So you be the judge, do you consider it Massively Multiplayer? Can you play the game along side many people at once? No, you can't.

I consider 12vs12 Alliance Battles to be "many people at once." If it were any more PvP would most likely be totally unbalanced and break.

look whoever says one is better than the other r just stupid. they're both good it just depends what your into.

Originally posted by lx300

1- GW isnt based on infinite grinding, is based in completing missions

2-GW have the best PVP sistem you`ll find in any other mmorpg

3-Only 1 pay and infinite game time

4-The AWSOME graphics

5-events every weekend

1) Titles not a grind    /rolleyes*2

2) LOL yeah right. Lake Wintergrasp beats everything GW has. AV also better then Guild Wars.

3) Ok you have this

4) But wow still has better Animations. GW characters move like robots or something.

5) So, WoW also has events. And they are on great Scale.

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Originally posted by tro44_1

Originally posted by lx300

1- GW isnt based on infinite grinding, is based in completing missions

2-GW have the best PVP sistem you`ll find in any other mmorpg

3-Only 1 pay and infinite game time

4-The AWSOME graphics

5-events every weekend

 

1) Titles not a grind    /rolleyes*2

2) LOL yeah right. Lake Wintergrasp beats everything GW has. AV also better then Guild Wars.

3) Ok you have this

4) But wow still has better Animations. GW characters move like robots or something.

5) So, WoW also has events. And they are on great Scale.

 

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Ah, you've gota love it when people can't help but clutch at straws. I enjoy both games but now you're just being silly.

1) What exactly is your point? The game is NOT based on grinding. Grinding for titles is a CHOICE. If one's stupid enough to do it despite hating it then one needs to get their head checked. There is absolutely no arguing this point so I suggest you stop before you embarrass yourself.

2) Ah, so you'd rather spend ages grinding for gear so that you can become remotely competitive? I guess it boils down to this - if you enjoy skill-based gameplay, then Guild Wars is for you. If you enjoy grinding (yes, there goes your point 1) for gear then World of Warcraft is for you. 

4) Haha, cute. That's the best you can come up with. "Guild Wars looks so much better...but, er....WoW has better animations!!!!11!." Compare the humans in Guild Wars to the Humans in World of Warcraft and if you still think that WoW has better animations you need to get your eyes checked. Guild Wars spell-casting looks infinitely better and far more creative animation-wise than WoW's.

5) WoW does not have an event every week on top of the huge events such as Halloween, Wintersday, the Canthan New Year etc. such as Guild Wars. And I'm sorry to say but Guild Wars' events by far beat WoW's any day. 

Ultimately your only argument so far has been "but WoW also has..." You fail to realise that despite WoW also having it, Guild Wars has it better. That is the point of this topic.

Originally posted by tro44_1

Originally posted by lx300

1- GW isnt based on infinite grinding, is based in completing missions

2-GW have the best PVP sistem you`ll find in any other mmorpg

3-Only 1 pay and infinite game time

4-The AWSOME graphics

5-events every weekend

 

4) But wow still has better Animations. GW characters move like robots or something.

5) So, WoW also has events. And they are on great Scale.

 

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I take intagibles into account.  GW is older then WoW and the graphics are still gorgeous even on weaker computers.  But GW went for a more realistic look, WoW went cartoony, to each their own.

Wow's events are not grand.  I don't know if you mean they sometimes send you half way around the word just to click on something as grand.  But take the christmas events.  WoW gives you christmas trees lights on a few buildings in a city.  GW re does the entire city!  You get a snow covered desert town in Nightfall's capitol with statues elf hatted.  The moon is changed for Halloween in GW.  Heck GW gives you a snowball PvP mission and bug racing.  WoW gives you trick or treating for Halloween, both games gives you treats.

Everyone should play GW if for no other reason then to support the business model of buying the game and no monthly fee.  Imagine if every company were like that.

Originally posted by mykpfsu

Originally posted by tro44_1

Originally posted by lx300

1- GW isnt based on infinite grinding, is based in completing missions

2-GW have the best PVP sistem you`ll find in any other mmorpg

3-Only 1 pay and infinite game time

4-The AWSOME graphics

5-events every weekend

 

4) But wow still has better Animations. GW characters move like robots or something.

5) So, WoW also has events. And they are on great Scale.

 

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I take intagibles into account.  GW is older then WoW and the graphics are still gorgeous even on weaker computers.  But GW went for a more realistic look, WoW went cartoony, to each their own.

Wow's events are not grand.  I don't know if you mean they sometimes send you half way around the word just to click on something as grand.  But take the christmas events.  WoW gives you christmas trees lights on a few buildings in a city.  GW re does the entire city!  You get a snow covered desert town in Nightfall's capitol with statues elf hatted.  The moon is changed for Halloween in GW.  Heck GW gives you a snowball PvP mission and bug racing.  WoW gives you trick or treating for Halloween, both games gives you treats.

Everyone should play GW if for no other reason then to support the business model of buying the game and no monthly fee.  Imagine if every company were like that.

 

LOL I guess you forgot about the Snowballs and other achievements WoW had during their Christmas event.

Also like I said, Has better Animations still. Characters Move,Swing,Cast,  smoothly.

Also the Armor animations are great in WoW.  (Wowhead.com  ----that way if you need---> )

WoW also has a more larger active player base the Guild Wars. (I wonder Why LOL)

Even Runescape has a larger active player base.

Guild Wars is nothing compared to WoW on gameplay other then Single player.

WoW has large scale PvP and Small Scale PvP.

Also WoW classes are fun to play, and not balanced around a card deck  system.

Guild Wars has very poor immersion for a RPG.

besides,,,, there's nothing MMO about GW other then the cities.

WTF!!!

I like Guild Wars because it gives me something to do when I get tired of playing WoW and Runes of Magic.

Also its Free to Play. Other then  that I would rather play Rune of Magic F2P MMO if it wasnt for the fact that I had already brought GW games.

The Developers of Guild Wars (and Guild Wars 2) have a lot of work to do if they want to their game shine again. Because the F2P hype experience is gone after most of us played the first game.

I do hope they pull their head out their ass like many of the WoW-haters, because if they dont, they will never get up to the popularity of WoW.

I know lots of you Anti-WoW Fanboz get jealous of WoW's Success, but seriously,,,, Get over it please. WoW has great ideas, they didnt get to were they are by always trying to be different.

They got to where they are by using what the mass people Like and then adding in their own unique style.

And as you can see with games like (WoW and Runescape) that this logic WORKS!!!

Originally posted by tro44_1 

LOL I guess you forgot about the Snowballs and other achievements WoW had during their Christmas event.

 

Also like I said, Has better Animations still. Characters Move,Swing,Cast,  smoothly.

Also the Armor animations are great in WoW.  (Wowhead.com  ----that way if you need---> )

WoW also has a more larger active player base the Guild Wars. (I wonder Why LOL)

Even Runescape has a larger active player base.

Guild Wars is nothing compared to WoW on gameplay other then Single player.

WoW has large scale PvP and Small Scale PvP.

Also WoW classes are fun to play, and not balanced around a card deck  system.

 

Guild Wars has very poor immersion for a RPG.

besides,,,, there's nothing MMO about GW other then the cities.

WTF!!!

I like Guild Wars because it gives me something to do when I get tired of playing WoW and Runes of Magic.

Also its Free to Play. Other then  that I would rather play Rune of Magic F2P MMO if it wasnt for the fact that I had already brought GW games.

 

The Developers of Guild Wars (and Guild Wars 2) have a lot of work to do if they want to their game shine again. Because the F2P hype experience is gone after most of us played the first game.

I do hope they pull their head out their ass like many of the WoW-haters, because if they dont, they will never get up to the popularity of WoW.

 

I know lots of you Anti-WoW Fanboz get jealous of WoW's Success, but seriously,,,, Get over it please. WoW has great ideas, they didnt get to were they are by always trying to be different.

 

They got to where they are by using what the mass people Like and then adding in their own unique style.

And as you can see with games like (WoW and Runescape) that this logic WORKS!!!

LMFAO. Snowballs and other achievements are somehow supposed to be better than PvP snowball matches and holiday-based titles apart from the actual holiday event and holiday items? Clutching at straws again are we?

The rest of your post is filled with absolute stupidity, I'm afraid. I can't say I'm surprised. The first few lines are utter nonsense, followed by your mockery of Guild Wars being skill-based (lmao!) and then you proceed to crap on Guild Wars' head for having sold 6 million copies of the game? Oh dear. You poor silly fanboy. Guild Wars has gotten to where it is today because it is different and it works! I hate to break it to you, but every empire comes crashing down. World of Warcraft will be one of them and it will take a game such as Guild Wars 2 to do it. Just you wait.

Please, please do us all the favour of staying far away from Guild Wars and Guild Wars 2. There's no room for people like you. 

(And for the record, dream on if you think what you're spewing is logic. You've failed to disprove anything I've said.)

Originally posted by Lydon

Originally posted by tro44_1 

LOL I guess you forgot about the Snowballs and other achievements WoW had during their Christmas event.

 

Also like I said, Has better Animations still. Characters Move,Swing,Cast,  smoothly.

Also the Armor animations are great in WoW.  (Wowhead.com  ----that way if you need---> )

WoW also has a more larger active player base the Guild Wars. (I wonder Why LOL)

Even Runescape has a larger active player base.

Guild Wars is nothing compared to WoW on gameplay other then Single player.

WoW has large scale PvP and Small Scale PvP.

Also WoW classes are fun to play, and not balanced around a card deck  system.

 

Guild Wars has very poor immersion for a RPG.

besides,,,, there's nothing MMO about GW other then the cities.

WTF!!!

I like Guild Wars because it gives me something to do when I get tired of playing WoW and Runes of Magic.

Also its Free to Play. Other then  that I would rather play Rune of Magic F2P MMO if it wasnt for the fact that I had already brought GW games.

 

The Developers of Guild Wars (and Guild Wars 2) have a lot of work to do if they want to their game shine again. Because the F2P hype experience is gone after most of us played the first game.

I do hope they pull their head out their ass like many of the WoW-haters, because if they dont, they will never get up to the popularity of WoW.

 

I know lots of you Anti-WoW Fanboz get jealous of WoW's Success, but seriously,,,, Get over it please. WoW has great ideas, they didnt get to were they are by always trying to be different.

 

They got to where they are by using what the mass people Like and then adding in their own unique style.

And as you can see with games like (WoW and Runescape) that this logic WORKS!!!

LMFAO. Snowballs and other achievements are somehow supposed to be better than PvP snowball matches and holiday-based titles apart from the actual holiday event and holiday items? Clutching at straws again are we?

The rest of your post is filled with absolute stupidity, I'm afraid. I can't say I'm surprised. The first few lines are utter nonsense, followed by your mockery of Guild Wars being skill-based (lmao!) and then you proceed to crap on Guild Wars' head for having sold 6 million copies of the game? Oh dear. You poor silly fanboy. Guild Wars has gotten to where it is today because it is different and it works! I hate to break it to you, but every empire comes crashing down. World of Warcraft will be one of them and it will take a game such as Guild Wars 2 to do it. Just you wait.

Please, please do us all the favour of staying far away from Guild Wars and Guild Wars 2. There's no room for people like you. 

(And for the record, dream on if you think what you're spewing is logic. You've failed to disprove anything I've said.)

That your opinion. You're a fanboy/girl

So how you want me to disprove your opinion other then the already current active population numbers that you can find on the internet somewhere.

GW sold the boxes based off the hype. Thats hype is dead now. Even as a F2p mmo it couldn't beat off WoW or RuneScape.

Originally posted by tro44_1

That your opinion. You're a fanboy/girl

So how you want me to disprove your opinion other then the already current active population numbers that you can find on the internet somewhere.

GW sold the boxes based off the hype. Thats hype is dead now. Even as a F2p mmo it couldn't beat off WoW or RuneScape.

By presenting me with facts and figures of course. A very small portion of what I have said is my opinion. They are cold hard facts that you simply don't like so try to ignore them.

And once again, you continue to talk the biggest load of crap. Guild Wars, despite that latest release having been in 2007, is still selling 200 000 copies per quarter. Most MMOs can only DREAM of those sales figures. I'll be the first to admit that WoW has sold more copies, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out, but ArenaNet are a brand new company who have sold 6 million copies of their very first game. That is an achievement. How many copies did Blizzard's first game sell? Yeah...I bet you don't want to go their either.

Lastly, you should be the last person accusing people of being fanboys. Really now. If you'd like my sources I can happily present them to you.

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Originally posted by Lydon

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Originally posted by tro44_1

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That your opinion. You're a fanboy/girl
So how you want me to disprove your opinion other then the already current active population numbers that you can find on the internet somewhere.
GW sold the boxes based off the hype. Thats hype is dead now. Even as a F2p mmo it couldn't beat off WoW or RuneScape.

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By presenting me with facts and figures of course. A very small portion of what I have said is my opinion. They are cold hard facts that you simply don't like so try to ignore them.

And once again, you continue to talk the biggest load of crap. Guild Wars, despite that latest release having been in 2007, is still selling 200 000 copies per quarter. Most MMOs can only DREAM of those sales figures. I'll be the first to admit that WoW has sold more copies, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out, but ArenaNet are a brand new company who have sold 6 million copies of their very first game. That is an achievement. How many copies did Blizzard's first game sell? Yeah...I bet you don't want to go their either.

Lastly, you should be the last person accusing people of being fanboys. Really now. If you'd like my sources I can happily present them to you.

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Im not arguing your point i just want to mention ArenaNet isnt brand new and I like your opinion in your post. Alot of F2P devs can learn from GW's success.

Originally posted by Lydon

Originally posted by tro44_1

That your opinion. You're a fanboy/girl

So how you want me to disprove your opinion other then the already current active population numbers that you can find on the internet somewhere.

GW sold the boxes based off the hype. Thats hype is dead now. Even as a F2p mmo it couldn't beat off WoW or RuneScape.

By presenting me with facts and figures of course. A very small portion of what I have said is my opinion. They are cold hard facts that you simply don't like so try to ignore them.

And once again, you continue to talk the biggest load of crap. Guild Wars, despite that latest release having been in 2007, is still selling 200 000 copies per quarter. Most MMOs can only DREAM of those sales figures. I'll be the first to admit that WoW has sold more copies, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out, but ArenaNet are a brand new company who have sold 6 million copies of their very first game. That is an achievement. How many copies did Blizzard's first game sell? Yeah...I bet you don't want to go their either.

Lastly, you should be the last person accusing people of being fanboys. Really now. If you'd like my sources I can happily present them to you.

Please do.

History doesnt repeat History, people repeat History.

And we seen it all through history of ORPGs.

Hype Sells boxes. Doesnt mean it is even good nor does it mean they have a large active player base.

Need I point you to:

Warhammer Online

DarkFail,, oops mean Darkfall

Age of Conan

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Once it gets to the point of having both a large active player base and box sells, then it can compare to WoW. Till then, GW will remain the crap that will be used to fertilize the fields of new upcomming F2P MMOs.

Originally posted by gamerman98 

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Im not arguing your point i just want to mention ArenaNet isnt brand new and I like your opinion in your post. Alot of F2P devs can learn from GW's success.

I know they're not brand new, but as a company their first and so far only game is Guild Wars. 

Originally posted by tro44_1 

Please do.

 History doesnt repeat History, people repeat History.

And we seen it all through history of ORPGs.

Hype Sells boxes. Doesnt mean it is even good nor does it mean they have a large active player base.

Need I point you to:

Warhammer Online

DarkFail,, oops mean Darkfall

Age of Conan

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Once it gets to the point of having both a large active player base and box sells, then it can compare to WoW. Till then, GW will remain the crap that will be used to fertilize the fields of new upcomming F2P MMOs.

 

 

Hahaha, the majority of your post makes absolutely no sense. It takes nothing more than simply logging in to Guild Wars to see that it has a large active player base...but I guess some of us don't have the brain capacity to come to that conclusion. Comparing Guild Wars to games that have sold at most a 6th of what Guild Wars has sold is also a very, very silly thing to do. It does nothing to further your argument.

Also, if hype sells boxes then by that logic World of Warcraft is a terrible game. That came straight out of your mouth and your mouth alone. Way to prove my point for me 

Originally posted by Lydon

Originally posted by tro44_1 

Please do.

 History doesnt repeat History, people repeat History.

And we seen it all through history of ORPGs.

Hype Sells boxes. Doesnt mean it is even good nor does it mean they have a large active player base.

Need I point you to:

Warhammer Online

DarkFail,, oops mean Darkfall

Age of Conan

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Once it gets to the point of having both a large active player base and box sells, then it can compare to WoW. Till then, GW will remain the crap that will be used to fertilize the fields of new upcomming F2P MMOs.

 

 

Hahaha, the majority of your post makes absolutely no sense. It takes nothing more than simply logging in to Guild Wars to see that it has a large active player base...but I guess some of us don't have the brain capacity to come to that conclusion. Comparing Guild Wars to games that have sold at most a 6th of what Guild Wars has sold is also a very, very silly thing to do. It does nothing to further your argument.

Also, if hype sells boxes then by that logic World of Warcraft is a terrible game. That came straight out of your mouth and your mouth alone. Way to prove my point for me 

WoW doesnt have the highest population of players for nothing. They unlike Guild Wars, managed to live up to the hype,

which is why they are still growing.

10 mil to 11 mil

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Now look at GW, AoC, Warhammer

Hyped up at start, then once that hype died, the Population droped in the masses.

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Originally posted by tro44_1 

 

WoW doesnt have the highest population of players for nothing. They unlike Guild Wars, managed to live up to the hype,

which is why they are still growing.

10 mil to 11 mil

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Now look at GW, AoC, Warhammer

Hyped up at start, then once that hype died, the Population droped in the masses.

Guild Wars is a COMPLETELY new franchise that far exceeded hype. They are selling 200 000 copies every quarter of every year. It is growing. Warcraft is a well-established franchise that lived up to its hype. And as I said, show me another MMO other than WoW that has sold 6 million copies. 

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I'd be very worried if you were running any sort of company because your simple lack of understanding of how businesses work is laughable. 

Originally posted by Lydon

 They are selling 200 000 copies every quarter of every year. It is growing.

As much as I love GW, their quarterly sales figures are a bit of a joke. They measure based on campaigns/expansions sold, not accounts activated, so the majority of the money they're pulling in is from existing players buying additional campaigns, not new people joining in.

I could go on an on about the difficulties of guild recruiting and all but 3 or 4 people on my friends list now being permanently offline, but I'll just say that that the concensus on wiki and some other GW boards is that the player base is indeed declining.

Originally posted by Gennadios 

As much as I love GW, their quarterly sales figures are a bit of a joke. They measure based on campaigns/expansions sold, not accounts activated, so the majority of the money they're pulling in is from existing players buying additional campaigns, not new people joining in.

I could go on an on about the difficulties of guild recruiting and all but 3 or 4 people on my friends list now being permanently offline, but I'll just say that that the concensus on wiki and some other GW boards is that the player base is indeed declining.

No it is not. That has been debated time and again and NCsoft have confirmed that it is accounts activated.

To be honest, this thread stinks.

People should seriously stop comparing EVERYTHING to WoW.

Seriously, WoW is (or better - was) a really good game, and I enjoyed it for almost 4 years, aswell as GW.

The breaking point in comparing those two games is that, they are a COMPLETELY different genere.

WoW is a MMORPG

GW is a RPG

LIVE WITH IT.

Now that's being said, you'd probably like to compare CoD4 with chess?

Now back to topic:

1- GW isnt based on infinite grinding, is based in completing missions

Indeed, but why is everyone farming items and money to buy armor that ain't even better than the standard (1k) one then?

Aswell as that, GW does NOT have any endgame PVE content that isn't based around farming basically useless items (since all "endgame" items are max, you might aswell run around in collector armor)

I really miss the fun of the high end WoW raids.

2-GW have the best PVP sistem you`ll find in any other mmorpg

First off, what the hell happened to proper grammar and spelling?

Well - okay, the PVP in GW is fun. You're right about that, but it's basically always the same. Everyone is running around in PVX builds and everybody is complaining.

And the system is pretty much a poker system (build x    beats     build y     beats    build z)

3-Only 1 pay and infinite game time

Well, fact.

4-The AWSOME graphics

The gfx are okay for a game that's 4 years old, yet I wouldn't calle them AWESOME. There are many real f2p games with better graphics

5-events every weekend

Oh hell yeah, it's the super awesome event kick I get when I read "double faction rewards from GvG".... seriously, the events in WoW are better.