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Faur 3/10/07 10:54:10 PM
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If you would get your money back when you got banned, that would *promote* people acting like tards to *try and get banned* instead of quitting in order to get a few dollars back from their account.
Christ, big deal. You messed up, you broke the rules, and you got banned. Grow up, deal with it, and stop breaking the rules. |
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fulmanfu 3/10/07 11:35:31 PM
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Joined: 11/13/03
in the wind, so to speak |
reminds me of a guy i know who bought a new gun and shot some guy in the head. after the cops arrested him and confiscated the gun, he demanded they give him the money he paid for it. |
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Cabe2323 3/11/07 1:40:06 AM
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Joined: 8/03/06
The nine most terrifying words are: I''m from the government and I''m here to help. -Reagan |
Just wanted to add, that if you get banned from a game and have prepaid for that game, you can contact your credit card company and do a charge back for the amount. A MMO company can not keep your money for a service they aren't providing. It doesn't matter if you got banned or not. As soon as they turn off your access to the game they are no longer providing the service you paid for.
See the thing everyone is missing is you are not breaking any law when they ban you from the game. So yes they can choose who can and can't access their software, but they can not keep your money past that particular month that you are currently in. These are mutually exclusive things. Account access and billing. They are not the same thing. The company by their right can refuse access at any time. But they can not refuse access and keep all of your money. They would have to prorate you some of your money back. (example in if you pay for a 6 month subscription and then 1 month into it your account access is removed, they would owe you 5 months of subscription back) If they did not refund you then that constitutes fraud. It doesn't matter what the TOS says is against their code of conduct or anything. Unless you break the law, they can not keep your money and would need to honor their agreement to either provide you with your account access or refund you the rest of your money. Now of course this would take a legal fight and the reason you don't see anyone doing it, is because it is not worth the legal fees to fight the small amount of money lost due to left over subscription fees. |
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grantboy 3/11/07 3:59:00 AM
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Joined: 3/10/07 |
Well, I've just woken up and have checked the forum and I have to thank everyone for all there response.. Thsi is good keep them all coming and don't forget to respond to the poll. |
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Volkmar 3/11/07 5:46:28 AM
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Joined: 3/04/04 |
I said no. Here is my reasoning. Many people have stated why it is right to do so or why it is not right, now let's consider the OTHER side. You get banned, and you get refunded. So you got your game money back and your subscription money back... so you can just , right away, go to a shop in town, buy the game again, re-subscribe and you are good to go. So, what would be the purpose of "banning" if they give you back the money? there would be NO purpose whatsoever in the banning process. (ok, you lose your characters, but still...) As such, yes, you should not get back the money for your game nor your monthly subscription. It is debatable in the case of a yearly subscription and you just played 2 months or so for example, in that case I can see the company refunding part of your money, but never, in any case, the money for the game box. As for not being legal, well that is totally dependant on what you did for getting banned. Harassment, sexual or otherwise is no more legal when done in a videogame than on a street. Dealing in virtual goods is a shady practice and while there isn't much legal sides, one way or the other, it is still a grey area. Other things like botting are not illegal and as such cannot have any other repercussions, but most of the things you get banned for are NOT legal. Have a nice day. |
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Broe 3/11/07 6:03:53 AM
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Joined: 6/03/04 |
Why is it all so black and white???? You get banned for breaking the rules, cheating, stealing or harassing others. all the refund you should get is five toes in your behind. The Company have the obligation to protect the "good" gamer from "bad" games and protect there product (the game) Banned for wrong or false reasons then you should get refunded and option refund of game license (price of game)
I do not see it as either or As gamer you did agree to follow the rules and guidelines set down by the game company. |
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Faur 3/11/07 6:47:49 AM
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Joined: 4/19/06 |
Originally posted by grantboy How is that different from botting while afk? Most people bot while "at-keyboard". I would be very surprised if there was a single commercial MMO that didn't state in the eula that you may not play the game using third-party programs. |
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shezomb 3/11/07 7:21:18 AM
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Novice Member
Joined: 12/29/05
-life is a dance on nevroses- |
as an agreement to many of the other posts, no, I dont think you should get your money back if you get yourself banned, if you got falsely banned, you should complain, some companies might even give you the money for your remaining gametime back. It's like that with most things, if you break the rules you're not eligable for a refund, although you might in some cases get one, it sounds a bit stopid to me to let those that break the rules go off with no consequences so to say
 , if it's a game you really like and really want to play, you shouldn't break the rules. Easy as pie ^^ (Doesn't apply to places with corrupt CSRs and bad Support systems :P but those are a chapter for themself that you wont get a refund from anyhows)*hugs from lil me* |
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baff 3/11/07 7:31:07 AM
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Terms and conditions including bannable offences are not clearly marked on the box. You are not advised of them before you part with your money. In Europe this is a criminal offence, known as False Advertising. Any terms and conditions applied without agreement prior to the bill of sale are fraudulent. While I understand and, individual injustices aside, broadly agree with a companies right to protect it's business by banning disruptive or undesirable people from gaining access, I also believe that they if they take your money in advance, they owe you the service you have paid for. If I was ever banned, I would simply contact my credit card company and cancel any of my payments I did not feel I had recieved value for money from. They can ban me from their service, but they can't ban me and have my money. If you paid by gamecard, take it back to the shop and tell them it doesn't work. Don't leave until they refund you.
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Wizardry 3/11/07 7:44:11 AM
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