Well who knows. After K2Network took on "Sword of the New World", what do you suppose?

Assuming at the graphic, which looks similar to Wow...
I can only think of it being a duplication of WoW,
hence Wow is a combination of many other Mmo.

Some MMO from China surpassing the Content of WoW seems like a Big Dream.

Originally posted by Rha-EL

Originally posted by LordDevil

Rha-El, thats absolut crazy what you say.. I would put my head on the table that this game has nothing to do with the chinese theft... you dont even need to be a programmer to see that the PW engine itselve couldnt use ANY kind of l2 sources... and gameload is right... the theft was a problem because of running illegal l2 servers... also you cant port some code from an unreal engine or even another game simply into another game (I am programmer myselve...). Thats just plain stupid and its TOTALLY sad that you destroyed just a nice and informative thread with those assumption even so I just told you that I can assure you it has nothing to do with it... (just play it for 5 min and then tell me again that the engine or ANY model or ANY texture is the same...), but I guess it doesnt matter what I explain to you... you don't belive me anyway, as I see... but well then just live with your assumption and good luck...

Kind regards,
LD

 

lol thats ridiculous, I never said they ported Lineage 2 code into anything.  I said Perfect World's base code IS the Lineage 2 base code.  get it?  That means its a direct rip off.  I hope I got that clear to you.

cheers!

OK then we can now clear up your assumption for 100% ! Just download the game and just look at the files! The unreal version uses very typical file structures etc. and thats the BASIC engine of unreal! Just look at all the unreal 2 engine games, they ALL have the same structure, surely same texture files etc.

Now look at the files of Perfect World, you will see NOT 1, yes NOT 1 similarity, it uses completly different files structure, completly different texture and model files... oh yes even the program itselve runs totally different (just play it and feel the engine!).

So now tell me that they moded this game in a year (btw it was in development since 2003 and the first version was released in 2005 - so before the theft!) to a completly different engine? Pretty impressive or, I ask myselve then why they should have gotten the source anyway... ?

Sorry but you  were REALLY very very wrong... and I am just sad that you can't  agree to that mistake...

Kind regards,
LD

Just that picture here on the site from the game with a giant bird holding a cat holding a guy holding a racoon etc - too much!!!  I was dying laughing at that.  Maybe it'll be good but that just had me in stiches.

Originally posted by Raiku

Well who knows. After K2Network took on "Sword of the New World", what do you suppose?

Assuming at the graphic, which looks similar to Wow...
I can only think of it being a duplication of WoW,
hence Wow is a combination of many other Mmo.

Some MMO from China surpassing the Content of WoW seems like a Big Dream.

Well this game is already more successful then WoW at least in china, japan, taiwan and vietnam! They have over 30million registered members and reported already that they have surpassed the 1 million concurrent user mark (you can read it in a press release). I talked to a chinese friend ingame about this. He told me that WoW is successful in china, but PW is chinas first large MMORPG and it is a very successful game right now. Thats also why they want to make it international available. Not many games are successful enough to leave their shores... But if you are interested you can read most of this already in our wiki at http://wiki.perfectworld.cc ! I am sure as soon as they begin to publish it overseas we will hear much more about this game... ! Right now "english info" is not really available... sadly...

Kind regards,
LD

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Rha-EL

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Rha-EL

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Rha-EL

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Rha-EL

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Rha-EL

First of all if you ever played Lineage 2 you'd know right off that the models in this game looks like a direct rip from Lineage 2 + the terrain looks almost identical.

Not to mention it was the chinese who hacked into NCSOFT Korea's server and stole some of the original server for Lineage 2, thus all the Private Server Lineage 2 out there in the world today.

Anyone who's ever played Lineage 2 can see that this is a clone of Lineage 2.  Hell I wouldn't even be surprised if NCSOFT went after these guys for copyright infringement..but hey in China copyright means squat.  After all they seem to steal/copy most of their stuff anyway and try to repackage it.

Sorry to sound harsh but it is what it is.

Its amazing how you can already declare something a clone you never even PLAYED yet.  also, what does it matters it were chinese who hacked the ncsoft server? Nice attempt to bring the topic off-topic.

Off topic?  Aren't  you the one resorting to flaming here in this post?  How is it off-topic when it IS a fact that the Chinese DID hack into NCSOFT Korea servers and stole the base code for Lineage 2?  How is it also off-topic when after seeing the you-tube videos that are posted in this thread, the uncanny resemblance to terrain and character models are virtual clones of those that currently exist in Lineage 2?  Are YOU blind?

eh, maybe because this topic is about Perfect World and is not in any way related to source code stolen from NCsoft? Also go look up what the word flaming actually means. Also, the chinese stole the server code, which is used to create the server information.

oh really?  Then why is Lineage 2 mentioned in the post's title?  I guess you just happened not to read that part of it yes?  How quaint.  This topic is about Perfect World in COMPARISON to other games.  In that spirit, I can qualify the fact that the chinese did indeed steal Lineage 2's base code and could have possibly incorporated that into this game, since it resembles and looks like a damn clone.  Again are you blind?

The base code? The chinese stole the server code, the code to run servers, which was used to run private servers! that has NOTHING to do with how the game looks or even plays! its completely off-topic!

Seriously are you just stupid?  Do you even qualify this as a response?  When I said they stole Lineage 2's server code, that means the WHOLE damn game, get it?  I don't know if you have ever written a piece of code in your life but if you had a clue you'd shove a boot into your mouth before you sound even more stupid by saying something like this.  You steal server code, that means the server version of Lineage 2, which is the whole damn game but the server version....get it?

Not really, the server sends information to the client, as in, the power of items,status of characters, and handles connection of players things like that. it doesn't host things like "Graphics" or "Textures", which are the only thing that could possible be stolen. those are stored client side.

And why do you think the client can even "talk" to the server?  Let me educate you on client-server programming.  The server is a beefed up version of the client.  The server has ALL the code that the client has, and then some.  Get it now?

No it doesn't. In the past, I used to host (and play) Ragnarok Online pirate servers, and the software used to run the server didn't cointain any client code. It merely contained the information required to handle the clients.

Just stop man, you really have no clue what your talking about.  If you knew how client-server worked, AGAIN, you wouldn't be looking very stupid right now but you are.  The server is the client with more code in it.  Trust me on that one ok?  If you don't do some damn research.

Maybe you should actually read what I've posted?

We are talking about this game in relation to specific games that have been listed in this topic's title.  One of which is SPECIFICALLY Lineage 2.  If you deny that you can't see how exactly similar the two games are in look and feel than maybe its time you go for an eye exam.

Newsflash: Just because graphics look the same does not mean the game is a clone. that is absolutely rediculous.

Newsflash:  You are aware of copyright laws aren't you?  I guess if I cloned you and programmed you to talk and act differently you wouldn't mind?  Please don't make stupid assumptions like this.  I know your smarter.

You do know that a graphic style can not be copyrighted, right? Perfect World didn't copy any of the textures,animations, or anything else for that matter. It merely uses the same graphic style as Lineage 2, and possible the same Unreal engine. i

lol and how the hell do you know that?  Because they said so?  Using my eyes alone i can see that its a clone of Lineage 2 with the same art style.  Hell most of those character models looks like they copied Lineage 2 models and modified a face style or whatever.  I didn't say they copyright art style.  I said they copyright the art and the use of it and sure looks like they are reusing existing art and textures that already existed in Lineage 2 before this game even was conceived.

Actually, as I said countless of times, they did not stole anything, they merely used the same kind of style. None of the textures are "Stolen".

lol are you part of the programming staff over at Perfect World?  You sure talk with an absolute amount of certainty for something you have absolutely no clue over.  At least *I* have a basis for why I say what I have.  Just watching the gameplay movies, I can see that the models ARE virtual clones of Lineage 2 models.  Where do you base *your* assumptions from?

wow, now THAT is a truly reliable source, you have no technical data, you can't even say for sure if the game runs on the same engine, but you looked at youtube videos and screenshots, absolutely hilarious.

This is a really funny response from such an ignorant person as yourself, who have to this point made baseless accusations about how *I* got my conclusions and have yet to show exactly how you even got your so called "ideas" about this game and why you don't believe its a clone....etc.  I gave you 1 reason why I came to the conclusion I reached, which is probably what most people though when they looked at the gameplay movies.  I thought for a while there that you were smart enough to know that IS the first line of marketting.  Obviously I was mistaken to assume you were intelligent.  Maybe you should really start to think about why you make your own assupmptions the way it is.

Also, it is a huge concern of mine that China has continually brushed off international copyright laws and acts like they couldn't care less of other people's intellectual rights.  Why do you think foreign companies are now doing a double take on going into China at all?  It is STILL a communist state.  Don't forget that.

again, total off-topic and unrelated to the game.

It is a part of the topic because this IS a chinese game.  Why don't you start living in the real world?

except for the fact that no copyright violations have been made, so its completely off-topic.

Again, here you go with your assumption.  How the hell do you know?  Just because it wasn't made in CHINA who doesnt care a shit for copyright in general?  You must be kidding me.  Are you serious?

Eh, your ENTIRE POINT IS ASSUMPTION sherlock.

Sherlock?  How unoriginal.  Did you get that from a recent book you just read and thought it was a smart quip?  If my entire point as been assumption "sherlock" exactly what is *YOUR* point then?  Think that over.

My point has been to prove out you have no evidence whatsoever, and that it is pointless speculation. if PerfectWorld truly had stolen software from NCsoft, they would have been sued already, especialy after the huge success of perfect world. weird eh? Perfect World is not the only one that looks familiar to Lineage 2, there are many other MMO's that look like L2, and none of them stole anything from NCsoft. If you want to convince other Perfect World indeed stole software from NCsoft, then you better bring some damn good evidence, and saying "I looked at the screenshots and they almost look the same!" is not going to cut it.

"Huge success" in terms of what exactly?  In China where copyright lawsuits abound and they all languish in copyright purgatory....forever?  Please, maybe you should a get a clue about what you talking about first before you start on your crusade to defend the "rights and the injustice faced by a Perfect World zealot".  I think your the only one here thats taking it personally.  I merely pointed out it looks like a Lineage 2 clone like so many other asian games out there.  Where in this statement exactly have I erred?  I guess in your threads people are not allowed to have their own opinions yes?  hahaha

As for "I looked at the screenshots and they look the same!" IS how most people ever rate a game when they call it a clone.  If you looking for real world measures on how people come to their conclusions, you just got one right there.  Learn some marketting as well when you go back to school...boy.

@LordDevil
Didn't WoW have more?
Anyhow, I still say that Perfect World is WoW, but in the Asian Market.

Originally posted by Gameloading
haha, your post is so incredibly flawed that its a waste of time to actually try to get some sense into you. but fine, believe as you will, I'm not going to waste my time on you. just the fact you have to insult me to get your point across says enough about you. You clearly have no understanding of what your talking about. Next time you go into debate with me, do some research so you actually have a chance.

Ahh thats the gameloading i know with the bloated ego.  First rule of debate is if you have to tout your own prowess in a debate, thats the sign of a loser. 

Welcome aboard the gravvy train!

cheers!

Originally posted by Rha-EL

 

Originally posted by Gameloading
haha, your post is so incredibly flawed that its a waste of time to actually try to get some sense into you. but fine, believe as you will, I'm not going to waste my time on you. just the fact you have to insult me to get your point across says enough about you. You clearly have no understanding of what your talking about. Next time you go into debate with me, do some research so you actually have a chance.

 

Ahh thats the gameloading i know with the bloated ego.  First rule of debate is if you have to tout your own prowess in a debate, thats the sign of a loser. 

Welcome aboard the gravvy train!

cheers!

Originally posted by Raiku

@LordDevil
Didn't WoW have more?
Anyhow, I still say that Perfect World is WoW, but in the Asian Market.

Yep maybe thats why its called the "chinese WoW". Its just that I myselve love tha combination of WoW, Lineage 2 and a bit of FFXI. And when I came online into this game I suddenly had the -> I want to play more and more and more feeling... I havent had this in a long time. I did quests to extend my bags to get better equipment... I even began gathering some ressources from the rocks and trees etc.(well I didnt know what I was harvesting *lol*) ! All I got was some help of an english speaking chinese player. But the game simply feels very solid and thats one of the big problem in many modern MMORPGs games today... and why games like vanguard etc. with good innovations and a good concept usually have a hard time to survive...

For me PW is the first game that can reach a big fun factor for me again. Its has a nice Pvp/GvG and Faction based PvP (much more complex than in WoW - which is a big plus for me). You also advance mostly via quests, there is plenty of customisation and crafting, city building etc.! Also you totally feel the "love to the details" . So no, for me this game has much more over WoW, but surely this is my everyones personal taste... but lets see how it works out if it reaches the western market :) As their main goal is to be the globally market leader with this game I am really curious on how their marketing works...

Kind regards,
LD

Originally posted by Gameloading
To further back up my arguement.

http://gamemagazine.ph/news/get-ready-for-perfect-world-philippines/

"Perfect World, a game fully conceptualized and developed by Beijing Perfect World Technology, is one of China’s first, original, and full-3D online game. With more than 30 million renminbi (RMB) invested in the three-year project, everything from the graphics, backgrounds, gameplay elements and 3D engine was designed from the ground up. Their efforts paid off when Perfect World won international acclaim and numerous accolades from gaming organizations, including the prestigious Golden Feather Best 3D Online Game for 2005 and Golden Feather Most Original Game for 2005."

LOL I just did an extensive search on google and this is the only thing that really came up at all for this game and its in the phillipines lol.  WTF?  Are you serious..if you think this tells any indication for legitimacy of this game, you must be joking.  Show me a "RESPECTED" site that talks about this game ok?  lol China and the Phillipines 2 of the biggest places where copyright laws really don't exist....you must be kidding me.

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Rha-EL

 

Originally posted by Gameloading
haha, your post is so incredibly flawed that its a waste of time to actually try to get some sense into you. but fine, believe as you will, I'm not going to waste my time on you. just the fact you have to insult me to get your point across says enough about you. You clearly have no understanding of what your talking about. Next time you go into debate with me, do some research so you actually have a chance.

 

Ahh thats the gameloading i know with the bloated ego.  First rule of debate is if you have to tout your own prowess in a debate, thats the sign of a loser. 

Welcome aboard the gravvy train!

cheers!

Well I could also follow your rule of debate ofcourse.

Make a bunch of unsupported claims, and make up excuses for counter arguements, when that fails, insult them!

all your posts in this thread can be summed up in just a few lines of text.

1: You claim that the creaters of perfect world use stolen software from NCsoft.
2: Evidence to back it up: None
3: End of posts.

 And you claim it doesnt

evidence to back it up?  None

Nor do you even have your own opinion on how the similarities and look of this game is so obviously a cloned version of Lineage 2.  I guess that escaped your notice too?

Funny how it seems you can filter out only things *YOU* only want to see or talk about?

You are definitely a charletan if ever I met one.

Originally posted by Rha-EL

 

Originally posted by Gameloading
To further back up my arguement.

http://gamemagazine.ph/news/get-ready-for-perfect-world-philippines/

"Perfect World, a game fully conceptualized and developed by Beijing Perfect World Technology, is one of China’s first, original, and full-3D online game. With more than 30 million renminbi (RMB) invested in the three-year project, everything from the graphics, backgrounds, gameplay elements and 3D engine was designed from the ground up. Their efforts paid off when Perfect World won international acclaim and numerous accolades from gaming organizations, including the prestigious Golden Feather Best 3D Online Game for 2005 and Golden Feather Most Original Game for 2005."

LOL I just did an extensive search on google and this is the only thing that really came up at all for this game and its in the phillipines lol.  WTF?  Are you serious..if you think this tells any indication for legitimacy of this game, you must be joking.  Show me a "RESPECTED" site that talks about this game ok?  lol China and the Phillipines 2 of the biggest places where copyright laws really don't exist....you must be kidding me.

Originally posted by Rha-EL

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Rha-EL

 

Originally posted by Gameloading
haha, your post is so incredibly flawed that its a waste of time to actually try to get some sense into you. but fine, believe as you will, I'm not going to waste my time on you. just the fact you have to insult me to get your point across says enough about you. You clearly have no understanding of what your talking about. Next time you go into debate with me, do some research so you actually have a chance.

 

Ahh thats the gameloading i know with the bloated ego.  First rule of debate is if you have to tout your own prowess in a debate, thats the sign of a loser. 

Welcome aboard the gravvy train!

cheers!

Well I could also follow your rule of debate ofcourse.

Make a bunch of unsupported claims, and make up excuses for counter arguements, when that fails, insult them!

all your posts in this thread can be summed up in just a few lines of text.

1: You claim that the creaters of perfect world use stolen software from NCsoft.
2: Evidence to back it up: None
3: End of posts.

 And you claim it doesnt

evidence to back it up?  None

Nor do you even have your own opinion on how the similarities and look of this game is so obviously a cloned version of Lineage 2.  I guess that escaped your notice too?

Funny how it seems you can filter out only things *YOU* only want to see or talk about?

You are definitely a charletan if ever I met one.

He doesnt need to back it up... please read my post. I backed it up that the engine has nothing to do with l2 engine (so can we please stop that now)! Also you will not find much about this game YET. The international version just covers: China, Japan, Vietnam and Taiwan... and in April we will see the Philippine version coming... ! But you dont need google for that, all you would need to do is reading my wiki... thats BTW what this thread was about, not some accusation which I proofed from the beginning to be wrong!

Kind regards,
LD

Seriously, if you consider similar base code = rip off, then most MMO are a rip off of each other.  I mean since many of the stuff in different games work the same.  It's so easy to find faults in any MMO out there, whether is L2, WoW, SWG, FFXI, ... etc.. whatever game you can think of, there is something that it has which another game has, is that the same as rip off?

To know about Server-Client relationship, you first have to know about what each program offers, and what each engines will let you do... most of the Server have the host software, which runs DIFFERENTLY than the client software.  All that it does when comes to server-client relationship is that the client (which is your computer) do any action, the signal is send to the server, and the server process/calculate/move/...etc.  After that, the server will send the information back to the client.  This is a continuous process.  The server does NOT have to run just like the client, it wouldn't make any sense, and a waste of space and memory for server.

It all depends on the host software...

All that aside, this game is actually a good one.  I myself l plays it, and it's one of those game that I'll play for a while..

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Originally posted by LordDevil

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Originally posted by Raiku

@LordDevil
Didn't WoW have more?
Anyhow, I still say that Perfect World is WoW, but in the Asian Market.

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Yep maybe thats why its called the "chinese WoW". Its just that I myselve love tha combination of WoW, Lineage 2 and a bit of FFXI. And when I came online into this game I suddenly had the -> I want to play more and more and more feeling... I havent had this in a long time. I did quests to extend my bags to get better equipment... I even began gathering some ressources from the rocks and trees etc.(well I didnt know what I was harvesting *lol*) ! All I got was some help of an english speaking chinese player. But the game simply feels very solid and thats one of the big problem in many modern MMORPGs games today... and why games like vanguard etc. with good innovations and a good concept usually have a hard time to survive...
For me PW is the first game that can reach a big fun factor for me again. Its has a nice Pvp/GvG and Faction based PvP (much more complex than in WoW - which is a big plus for me). You also advance mostly via quests, there is plenty of customisation and crafting, city building etc.! Also you totally feel the "love to the details" . So no, for me this game has much more over WoW, but surely this is my everyones personal taste... but lets see how it works out if it reaches the western market :) As their main goal is to be the globally market leader with this game I am really curious on how their marketing works...
Kind regards,
LD

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Know of any guide to register? I like to steal and review some ideas for my Game.

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Rha-EL

 

Originally posted by Gameloading
To further back up my arguement.

http://gamemagazine.ph/news/get-ready-for-perfect-world-philippines/

"Perfect World, a game fully conceptualized and developed by Beijing Perfect World Technology, is one of China’s first, original, and full-3D online game. With more than 30 million renminbi (RMB) invested in the three-year project, everything from the graphics, backgrounds, gameplay elements and 3D engine was designed from the ground up. Their efforts paid off when Perfect World won international acclaim and numerous accolades from gaming organizations, including the prestigious Golden Feather Best 3D Online Game for 2005 and Golden Feather Most Original Game for 2005."

LOL I just did an extensive search on google and this is the only thing that really came up at all for this game and its in the phillipines lol.  WTF?  Are you serious..if you think this tells any indication for legitimacy of this game, you must be joking.  Show me a "RESPECTED" site that talks about this game ok?  lol China and the Phillipines 2 of the biggest places where copyright laws really don't exist....you must be kidding me.

My point was that even the company claims that the whole game was build from the ground up (and honnestly, if it was taken from Lineage 2's source code, the game wouldn't take 3 years to make). you say they are lying and that they, in fact, did use the stolen source code. so now its your turn, show us the evidence. and please, leave your childish insults out this time. It didn't happen untill proven otherwise. The source I posted has a lot more credibility then your speculation, thats for sure. I posted evidence, you didn't.

WTF you didn't post evidence.  Evidence would show specific details abou the game.  What you showed there is a marketting release that tells you what the game is.  Tells you absolutely nothing about this "ground-up" 3d engine that they used, nor what they did in the 3 years to develop the game.  Also if this game was so huge, someone somewhere should have written an article or two about its success as well as discussing the engine and the creative process behind it. 

You know how many sources I found for it?  ZIP.  NIL.

The closest thing that this game resembles and exists?  Lineage and Lineage 2 which I can find hundres of articles on in english, korean, chinese and Japanese and probably several other langauges.

evidence my ass.

Originally posted by Raiku

 

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Originally posted by LordDevil

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Originally posted by Raiku

 

@LordDevil
Didn't WoW have more?
Anyhow, I still say that Perfect World is WoW, but in the Asian Market.

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Yep maybe thats why its called the "chinese WoW". Its just that I myselve love tha combination of WoW, Lineage 2 and a bit of FFXI. And when I came online into this game I suddenly had the -> I want to play more and more and more feeling... I havent had this in a long time. I did quests to extend my bags to get better equipment... I even began gathering some ressources from the rocks and trees etc.(well I didnt know what I was harvesting *lol*) ! All I got was some help of an english speaking chinese player. But the game simply feels very solid and thats one of the big problem in many modern MMORPGs games today... and why games like vanguard etc. with good innovations and a good concept usually have a hard time to survive...
For me PW is the first game that can reach a big fun factor for me again. Its has a nice Pvp/GvG and Faction based PvP (much more complex than in WoW - which is a big plus for me). You also advance mostly via quests, there is plenty of customisation and crafting, city building etc.! Also you totally feel the "love to the details" . So no, for me this game has much more over WoW, but surely this is my everyones personal taste... but lets see how it works out if it reaches the western market :) As their main goal is to be the globally market leader with this game I am really curious on how their marketing works...
Kind regards,
LD

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Know of any guide to register? I like to steal and review some ideas for my Game.

Thats why i made http://www.perfectworld.cc :) Everything is there in the wiki. Its always best to make your own picture.

Kind regards,
LD