World of Warcraft

the 2nd sentence was a completely sarcastic comment, i know thats not the main reason, but here on mmorpg.com youd be hard pressed to prove it wasn't true.   My glasses may be a bit tinted.  But after going through other mmorpgs... it's kinda hard not to have tinted glasses.

but i'll remove it and edit the end of my first post(didn't seem like it repeated itself as much when i typed it)

*edit* to the post above this one.

I understand what your getting at, but when it comes down to it, people play mmorpgs for different needs.  Some such as yourself are looking more for a virtual world where they can have a "second life" in.  It's understandable and theres nothing wrong with it.

But theres crowds such as myself, that are looking for a game where they play online in a video game(not a second world) and achieve goals together, achieving level 60, running instances, clearing a hard boss for the first time with your friends, thats something we like doing.  Sitting around socializing, walking around various areas just to sight see them, isn't why we truthfully play, its the social aspects of the gameplay, rather then actual socializing apart from the gameplay.

WoW doesn't really cater to your style, and i can see as howd youd eventually grow distant from it.  

Originally posted by Bladin

i often times see alot comparisons to older games like uo and the like.  WoWs gameplay is what makes it so successful.  There isn't a fantasy/player sci fi game out that surpassed/surpasses it.  AC? DAoC? DNL? EQ2?  GW?  horizons?  L2?  MxO?  PSU?  RV?  SB? swg? UO? VG? CoH?

The only one that even comes close is coh.  But guess what, some of those games do have some better features.  But the gameplay comparison for them isn't even close.

I see alot of talk on old uo/swg and all i have to say is, despite some of the things they boasted, as a game they just aren't as fun to play.  You'd have to be delusional to even try to say that any of those games actually "plays" better.  And until a game that actually "plays" better then wow comes out, it will remain "the big dog", vg failed at that, lotro will fail it(ive heard comparisons that its similar to wow...and trust me they arent even on the same chart when it comes to gameplay)  WAR looks promising, but at the same time the gameplay(from the short videos ive seen) does seem archaic.  

When it comes down to it, all your old games do alot of things better then wow, but wow has the best actual gameplay.  And despite how many promises darkfall AoC etc make, when it comes down to it, the gameplay is what matters, and after playing wow, i doubt most people will suffer through archaic, poor gameplay, for the great features they offer.

Not saying the to be released games are bad(except lotro, its horrible, but what did anyone expect from turbine?), it all comes down to how they play when they are released.  Heres to hoping they turn out good, but even if say aoc is the messiah of features and functions, if the gameplay sucks, you won't see me in it!

You forget to add that everything you just said was in your opinion.

Surprisingly people have different tastes and opinions and simple statements like "I see alot of talk on old uo/swg and all i have to say is, despite some of the things they boasted, as a game they just aren't as fun to play". As fun to play for whom? I know UO and even SWG was a HELL OF A LOT MORE FUN to play than WOW to me, and to a lot of others - it's a matter of taste, don't try and pass it of as fact.

You like WOW fine. You like WOW features, fine. It doesn't mean everyone does.

Different strokes for different folks. Deal with it.

And no, no need to reply to me cause I know you WOW fanboi's never give up and I won't be checking this thread again ne ways

I don't hate WoW, I was just never able to get into it.  I did give it a good shot, I think I have had about 4 different character get to 40, but never past 50.  I do on the other hand hate WoW fanbois......well just about any fanboi....except mabey BattleStar Gallactica fan bois.....or Zelda fanbois......the rest suck though.

There are two main reasons I no longer play:

An extraordinarily immature community. For the first year the community was actually pretty good on Cenarion Circle, but in the 3 or 4 months before I quit I could barely go two nights without getting /spit on, accused of doing stuff I didn't do, or receiving vulgar /whispers completely out of the blue from people of my own faction (Alliance). All from lower-level players I never seen before, never would see again, and had never interacted with in the slighest way. I played Horde on the new Blackwater Raiders server for a little while in hopes it would be better, but it wasn't.

And then finally the gamebreaker was the single worse experience of customer service I have ever experienced in an MMORPG. It made the GMs in EQ look positively enlightened and I played that for 3 years. Butthead players I can tolerate, but I'm not paying Blizzard to get shat on by its CSRs. I uninstalled the same night with over 2 weeks left on my paid month.

The game itself is actually quite fun. I enjoyed the gameplay, the rare RP, the occasional world PvP, the battlegrounds, the mechanics, the interface, the storyline, the environments, and the classes. I enjoyed it enough to level a couple characters to 60 and a handful more into the 30s and 40s. But bottomline is I'm not going to pay cash to get railed by CSRs and be verbally harassed by every third moron that randomly crosses my path when I'm running down the road in Duskwood or the Barrens.

I think it is because many dedicated MMORPG fans all tried WoW only to find that most of the people playing WoW had no MMORPG experience and were first timers

Originally posted by ionlyneedit

There are two main reasons I no longer play:

An extraordinarily immature community. For the first year the community was actually pretty good on Cenarion Circle, but in the 3 or 4 months before I quit I could barely go two nights without getting /spit on, accused of doing stuff I didn't do, or receiving vulgar /whispers completely out of the blue from people of my own faction (Alliance). All from lower-level players I never seen before, never would see again, and had never interacted with in the slighest way. I played Horde on the new Blackwater Raiders server for a little while in hopes it would be better, but it wasn't.

And then finally the gamebreaker was the single worse experience of customer service I have ever experienced in an MMORPG. It made the GMs in EQ look positively enlightened and I played that for 3 years. Butthead players I can tolerate, but I'm not paying Blizzard to get shat on by its CSRs. I uninstalled the same night with over 2 weeks left on my paid month.

The game itself is actually quite fun. I enjoyed the gameplay, the rare RP, the occasional world PvP, the battlegrounds, the mechanics, the interface, the storyline, the environments, and the classes. I enjoyed it enough to level a couple characters to 60 and a handful more into the 30s and 40s. But bottomline is I'm not going to pay cash to get railed by CSRs and be verbally harassed by every third moron that randomly crosses my path when I'm running down the road in Duskwood or the Barrens.

Although I am currently playing, I don't see myself playing too much longer. I like the game and I like the things you mentioned as well. But I agree that, of all the mmos I have played over the years, this one has by far the WORST player community I have ever seen. I have never seen such foul mouthed, abusive people in all my years of gaming, hell, I never even saw this kind of behavior working in bars and you get some of the worst dregs of humanity there when they get drunk. EQ, EQII, SWG< AO, AC, DAoC, (recently) DDO, LOTRO (beta), GW and a few others so I have seen quite a smattering of player types.

Let me preface my statements by saying that I am not what you would call a "Mr. Nice Guy" but I do try to be pleasant and approachable in game. Conversely, I expect similar treatment from people I group with, guild with etc. You don't have to like me and that's ok, not everyone meshes. But at least acknowledge that there is a human being with feelings that thoughts on the other side of the keyboard huh?

Here's a great example of why I'm about done. In Blade's Edge Mts doing some quest to plant a tree in 3 dirt piles. I see another horde player named Gunjobi and his partner killing the same elementals I am. They have not said anything to me and it appears to me that they are farming them, as a lot of players do that. I move a little so I am not in their way, keep going, kill the last mob that gives me a clear path to it and plant my tree.

At this point, I am immediately /spit on, given the /rude gesture and called an ass by this guy. Apparently, I am the guilty party for not practicing mind reading and figuring out that he and his partner were actually doing this same quest.  They never said anything in /say and never sent me a /tell but I'm the bad guy for making him wait an extra 30 seconds? I see two people killing stuff at, what appears to me, to be random spots and they don't say jack to me but immediately jump my shit for having the temerity to complete part of the quest they are on. Umm, wtf? What happened to telling me that's what they are after if they can take the time to do the emotes and abusive language? I guess abusing people is easier than being nice. /shrug

I could have asked them, yes. But it goes both ways. Instead of politely telling me "hey bud, we were working on that" to which my reply would have been "oh crap, I am really sorry, I thought you two were just farming. I'll wait til yer done", they opt to go the other way and be complete dicks about it. And I have seen this on both sides. Ally and Horde just jump all over each other, call names, get obnoxious, grief, gank, kill swipe, attempt to screw quests up for others and act like fools. I don't see much helping going on as a rule. And they do this to their own faction to boot, that's crazy. I go to Org or another city, I see ppl going off on each other globally for asking questions or asking for help. I see ppl being called "stupid", "retard", n00b" in all its variations and a host of other things for stating an opinion, asking for help, asking about an item or a quest, etc. You join guilds and either are expected to farm crap for lowbies who are too lazy to earn it on their own, deal with elitist ppl who expect you to raid incessantly or risk getting booted or ignore you completely because you aren't "leet" and don't fit in to their little cliques in the guild. Which means you end up alone agaion hoping your next random group will be better than the previous one.

These are all gross generalizations to be sure, as there are some really great people in the game. It's just unfortunate that these rare  gems are buried within the dirt piles of people who think they are better than everyone else due to pixels on a screen.

It is misguided hate.  They think they hate WoW when in reality they hate themselves.  They can't believe that they hate a game that nearly 10 million people gladly pay for, yet they pay for trash games that are lucky to have 100k subscribers.  They can't stand the fact that their game caters to a specific crowd, yet WoW caters to all crowds. 

The secret to WoW isn't that they do anything great, because they really don't.  Blizzard just doesn't do anything bad with their game.  If anything, they believe in polish and it shows.  Turbine and Sigil both need to learn a lesson from Blizzard.  Don't release a BETA and expect your fans to pay for your R&D.  It will hurt you in ways you won't ever be able to recover.

Remember, you never get a second chance to make a first impression.  

Don't hate Blizzard for being good.  Hate your favorite game company for not taking the time to get it right.  Hate yourself for sticking around a game that will end up being just another SWG with 40k subscribers and empty servers just because your game had potential. 

Just ask yourself when is last time a game that was still in beta released a list of "post launch features" they promised to add later and how many of those features actually came to light.