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ShiloFields  2/15/07 11:07:09 AM

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I think some of the WoW fans are missing the point that what WoW is sucessfully at came at a cost. 

Just one example is customization.

Have you ever compared the customization in WoW, say compared to SWG.  Its pathetic.  All WoW characters are essentially clones of others in their race.  Every female human has the same porportions for example.  This creates techincal benefits.  Easier to Blizzard to polish when there are less variables and the game is easier on other computeres, when there are less information to load in an render when another character walks by.  I lament the loss of character customization in games. The lack of customization, makes the MMORPG, make it less like a virtual world, and more like a mere game.

As for "next gen" MMOs.  If they just copy WoW's formula, I don't consider them next gen.  They are a step backward.

Think of WoW's entrance into the MMO market, as similar to what happens when Walmart enters a small town.  Sure there it has lower prices and a bunch of crap available, in one place, but it really sucks if you enjoyed shopping at the local market that has to close down.  I am sure most of you have seen the megalomart episode of South Park.  You get the idea.

 
Solution9  2/15/07 11:10:09 AM

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How about the mere fact that WoW is a watered down version of Warhammer Fantasy?
 
heerobya  2/15/07 11:11:00 AM

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"What man is a man who does not make the world better?"

Originally posted by Ahiles


Originally posted by mmcguire2 

 If your looking for a challenge, try something else.

I wil be sure to remeber that while u play the ever so challenging game that is Vanguard,lol.  Wow is not easy, that is the thing that most of you people without a single brain cell fail to realise.  The game is very well designed, therefore it leads to very good gameplay which leads to ease of use and playablitly.  This is the fact alot of people dont understand and fail to realise.  Simple fact is why alot of other games fail, crap design poor layout poor game architecture, BUT EXCELLENT GRAPHICS  etc etc etc, which leads to crap games.

 

Wow is not easy, it is extremely well designed, hence it leads user to able to pick the game up fast and is easy to play.  This does not equate to the game is easy.  If your 2 brain cell mind cannot grasp this fact, then you should stick with vanguard.


yeah I don't think anyone whose ever run any of the high level instances or raids can say that WoW is too "easy" because it takes a heck of a lot of coordination and communication to not F it up. the people who think WoW is too easy probably play mages or some other class that just button mashes all day... maybe the occassional polymorph!

try being the only tank in a 10-man group and holding agro on 6 mobs while the idiots in your group wail away on everything instead of focusing fire on 1 target at a time like you told them too.... Oi the life of a tank.. we are SO underappreciated.....

 

 
Ahiles  2/15/07 11:15:28 AM

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Originally posted by ShiloFields

I think some of the WoW fans are missing the point that what WoW is sucessfully at came at a cost. 

Just one example is customization.

Have you ever compared the customization in WoW, say compared to SWG.  Its pathetic.  All WoW characters are essentially clones of others in their race.  Every female human has the same porportions for example. 


Oh yeah sorry character creation, has given SWG its 8+ million plus scubscribers,lol.  You can have all the fancy graphics,charcater custmamisation you want,  IT DOES NOT MAKE UP FOR THE OTHER 99% OF THE GAME.  By your reasoning such things as cut scenes would be considered great, let me tell you intros, charcter custmosation  etc etc etc, make up probably 2% of the game.  Fact that SWG has this uber charcater custamisation and wo does not, means what exactly?  How many people are actually playing swg?
 
Ruffoz  2/15/07 11:21:09 AM

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Of all the things Ive lost, I miss my mind the most.

I mainly hate WoW because of it's community, I never liked the Horde, but I had to reroll because the community on alliance was unstandable.. Too many immature kiddies who love Elves and legolas (I was a hunter, so we had a bad reputation cause of them)

Another reason is the constant grinding for gear, and (before  BC) having to depend on 40 men to get something, or be someone.

Last but not least, class balance, it's been like a year and they haven't nerfed Warlocks yet (Maybe a 5% nerf on corruption but that was it), you would be mounted, see a warlock, DoT, DoT, DC, shadowbolt.. you didn't even have time to get off your mount and you were already on your 400 hp with 3-4 DoT's on you.

Since WoW brought alot of new people into the MMORPG genre, those people are thrown anything at them, and they don't say anything or complain, that's why the game hasn't changed, and isn't going to change..

The main reason I quitted though, was the repetitive gameplay, and I'm told BC is more of that BS.. Thus I never bought the expansion.

mcharj11  2/15/07 11:26:40 AM

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Ahiles u r an idiot, the way u r replyin to ppl is immature and u cant even compare wow to what swg was (pre cu). maybe now wow is slightly a better game swg but only because soe decided to try and copy wow. Fact wow is a rly shallow game, eve and swg have more depth in they're ui and options menu than the entire game of wow.

Oh and b4 u accuse me of never palyin wow and not knowing what i talk about, i do play wow and have done for bout a year and a half.

 

 
Ahiles  2/15/07 11:31:30 AM

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Oh sorry get back to playing swg, OH wait your playing wow:).
 
Solinvictus5  2/15/07 11:36:18 AM

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WoW is a good game, period. Well designed, expanded content well done, and in in terms of game mechanics, overall, it was very well produced. It may not have flashy graphics but honestly, it's refreshing to see a company put more effort into gameplay rather than graphic appearance. The real turn off  for some of the older MMO players is the WoW player base. Sure, they have over 8 million subscribers, but  a good portion of those players are to put it simply, the most annoying people I have ever encountered. My guess is they have no success in a real life social situation, so they run around screaming about god damned Chuck Norris all day, while pulling when the tank is already trying to hold aggro from 4 other mobs that they accidentally added, and then running out of mana and screaming as they run for the instance zone, meanwhile adding about 13 other mobs to the already bollocksed situation. And after all that you get a message in group chat  saying "wtf omg lol you guys suck, Chuck Norris would pwn you noobs."  If WoW had a decent player base, it would have my subscription as well.

(side note: some of the posts on this board are further proof of the amazing player base of the beloved WoW)

Make your own choice. I'll make it simple

WoW = Good
WoW Player Base = Why did I pay a monthly subscription fee to babysit, I should be payed for dealing with these kids.
 
heerobya  2/15/07 11:38:05 AM

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"What man is a man who does not make the world better?"

Originally posted by mcharj11

Ahiles u r an idiot, the way u r replyin to ppl is immature and u cant even compare wow to what swg was (pre cu). maybe now wow is slightly a better game swg but only because soe decided to try and copy wow. Fact wow is a rly shallow game, eve and swg have more depth in they're ui and options menu than the entire game of wow.

Oh and b4 u accuse me of never palyin wow and not knowing what i talk about, i do play wow and have done for bout a year and a half.

 


Ever stop and think that is WHY Eve and SWG are no where close to as successful as WoW is that they were too complex and had too much of what you call depth? but it was empty depth, empty complexity, a lot to do and see but why waste the time if all of it isn't fun? just like vanguard...

Honestly, I tried Eve for about an hour before removing it from my hard drive. and I played SWG from day 1 up until just after Jump to Lightspeed expansion, which I beta tested. I loved old SWG. but it was doomed from the beginning with all the problems, bugs, undelivered (until much later anyway) content etc... I beta'd Vanguard for all of 3-4 days before going back to WoW. blood elf palidan saved my subscription, new race and zones kick ass

WoW takes the basic MMO formula and does it better, much, much, much better then everyone else. it's not that it is super simple and easy its that it is SO well designed it appears to be super simple and easy. there is a difference.

yeah, i'm looking for another MMO to devote my free time to, i'm a mmorpg addict, need a new fix, but for now yeah I'm still playing WoW because it's much better then anything else out there right now. and all my friends still play WoW so, that's what is really important to me is the community/social experience, and I happily play WoW with some of the coolest people I've ever met online, and some real life friends/family too

it doesn't matter that "eve and swg have more depth in they're ui and options menu" because the rest of the game sucked or was destroyed by the devs (swg)