Well, maybe now we'll get more Linux Compatibles...

Sry, didn't read anything above...

It just disgusts me that Microsoft gets away with doing as it pleases, and software (and hardware) manufacturers, still go after what Microsoft does or says...

The Direct Sound thing its jsut a way for Microsoft to monopolise our software even further...

ya want vista? get the luna vista theme for xp, and voila you have vista with windows xp :P

Originally posted by cerebrix

i was with you on this article until i read you vsync comments.

 

then i realized you are just posting other peoples fixes with no idea yourself how to troubleshoot or understand technology properly.

 

next time you guys need an experienced technician to write a real technical evaluation give me a call.

 

im sorry but the only problem you were having with vsync was known as a pebkac error.  p.e.b.k.a.c (problem exists between keyboard and chair).

 

the only problem was your lack of understanding of how it works.  vsync is BASIC stuff.  like page 5 of a tech manual basic stuff.

 

you should be embarrased for that article.  i'm embarassed that i read it.

Actually, no.

There is no direct correlation between sound and video.

The person who found this error either is VERY knowledgeable or lucky.

Vertical synchronization

"Computer games often allow vertical synchronization as an option, but is sometimes disabled because it has the effect of limiting frame rates to the monitor's refresh rate frequency."

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Removed because I was being a prick. Sorry mate, bad day.
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Originally posted by erandur
all that trouble.. just to run games on the worst OS ever, and you guys are trying to let them run as good as on the second worst OS..
btw, not only the gaming is a problem on windows vista, where are the updates? only downgrades.. their new "security" system uses way to much physical memory, and it still sucks as before

Right.. so let me get this straight, you're saying the Vista and XP are the first and second worst OSes ever made?

What about Linux? Yeah, I said it.

Its an unusable toy that only the most dedicated zealots can get any value out of.

Linux is only free if your time is worthless.

Originally posted by kedoremos

Originally posted by erandur
all that trouble.. just to run games on the worst OS ever, and you guys are trying to let them run as good as on the second worst OS..
btw, not only the gaming is a problem on windows vista, where are the updates? only downgrades.. their new "security" system uses way to much physical memory, and it still sucks as before

Right.. so let me get this straight, you're saying the Vista and XP are the first and second worst OSes ever made?

What about Linux? Yeah, I said it.

Its an unusable toy that only the most dedicated zealots can get any value out of.

Linux is only free if your time is worthless.





         


soo the ps3 is unstable? ive never seen the ps3 crash... gah stupid quote shit..cant get it to work

Originally posted by RiSqU3

Originally posted by kedoremos

Originally posted by erandur
all that trouble.. just to run games on the worst OS ever, and you guys are trying to let them run as good as on the second worst OS..
btw, not only the gaming is a problem on windows vista, where are the updates? only downgrades.. their new "security" system uses way to much physical memory, and it still sucks as before

Right.. so let me get this straight, you're saying the Vista and XP are the first and second worst OSes ever made?

What about Linux? Yeah, I said it.

Its an unusable toy that only the most dedicated zealots can get any value out of.

Linux is only free if your time is worthless.





         


soo the ps3 is unstable? ive never seen the ps3 crash... gah stupid quote shit..cant get it to work

The PS3's OS is an embedded OS. That's comparing apples and oranges.
The PS3 only has to support one hardware spec - the PS3.
Under these conditions any OS would be solid as a rock.

Originally posted by kedoremos

Right.. so let me get this straight, you're saying the Vista and XP are the first and second worst OSes ever made?

What about Linux? Yeah, I said it.

Its an unusable toy that only the most dedicated zealots can get any value out of.

Linux is only free if your time is worthless.

 

 

you looked almost credible until this statement.  you might want to tell nasa their time is worthless.

Originally posted by cerebrix

Originally posted by kedoremos

Right.. so let me get this straight, you're saying the Vista and XP are the first and second worst OSes ever made?

What about Linux? Yeah, I said it.

Its an unusable toy that only the most dedicated zealots can get any value out of.

Linux is only free if your time is worthless.

 

 

you looked almost credible until this statement.  you might want to tell nasa their time is worthless.

 

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Fair enough, I should have been more specific.

We were comparing desktop OSes, were we not? I wouldn't expect NASA to run a desktop OS on their super computers.

Linux is a good server OS. Every knows this. That's the reason I got certified in Redhat to begin with. Linux has no business being on the desktop of anyone but the most *power* of the power users.

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thanks for showing good taste and editing your original post.
I also edited my previous post to you. Maybe I was a tad harsh.
p.s. I quit for many many many good reasons. Not the least of which was their commitment to offshoring talented software engineers to India.
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see again i have to disagree.  my girlfriend has been running linspire as her primary desktop os for 2 years and she doesnt know the difference between a text editor and a paint program.

 

she surfs the web, watches movies online, watches tv and uses it as a dvr, edits her website, plays games online (mostly flash stuff), and doesnt have a single problem.  i also dont think its been rebooted in 7 or so months.

Hi everybody.

I have to slightly disagree with most forum users here.

You say Vista is not ready for games right now, that one should wait until first SP to even start considering the new OS, but that's not quite true. I bought XP a week after it came out. It had some issues but most of my hardware was supported and in a couple of months I was able to run a stable, fully configured PC.

I think the worst problem with Vista is NOT Vista itself. The problem is that hardware manufacturers clearly ignored the RTM and started working on compatible drivers AFTER Vista had been released. I do not blame Microsoft for Vista not fully working: most of my harware runs just fine with Vista drivers. I do not have full control on RAID HDDs, LAN card advanced features, MoBo tweaking, etc...but THAT is due to manufacturers who didn't come out with a full fledged driver BEFORE Vista release date. And they had plenty of time!

I run Vista with microsoft drivers for everything except TV card (I run manufacturer drivers for XP, which run great) and videocard (I use nVidia drivers 97.46 which run just fine, even if I don't have all the setting I had on XP) and everytime I try a manufacturer updated Vista driver, everything turns to crap! Clearly the problem is that HW manufacturers are NOW in the works for Vista drivers, so the blame's on them if our PCs are not running fine.

Everything in Vista that has nothing to do with third party hardware and its advanced settings is running crap with manufacturer's drivers; everything else in Vista is working flawlessly.

Think about it...

Originally posted by cerebrix

see again i have to disagree.  my girlfriend has been running linspire as her primary desktop os for 2 years and she doesnt know the difference between a text editor and a paint program.

 

she surfs the web, watches movies online, watches tv and uses it as a dvr, edits her website, plays games online (mostly flash stuff), and doesnt have a single problem.  i also dont think its been rebooted in 7 or so months.

If I were to say the Apple ][e was a slow and useless system I'm sure someone would find a way to argue with me.

There are hundreds of Linux distributions out there and the vast majority or worthless piles of crap as far as the desktop market is concerned. Simple things like installing a printer can take DAYS (I'm not kidding here). Getting your Wi-Fi to work can take DAYS.

If you want to upgrade your wireless card, printer, video or sound card you're going to spend MUCH more time getting it to work than you would on a Mac or Windows OS.

Don't get my wrong here. I like Linux. I've used it since 1996. I'm the freaking maintainer for MS Money 2004 on Wine for Linux. I've written patches to get Fedora Core 3 to run on a VMWare ESX virtual machine. I have an open source project currently running on sourceforge. The only GUI toolkit I'll use for C++ is wxWidgets so I can ensure multi-platform capatability.

Here's the deal:
If you want a computer that works for you: chose Windows or Mac.
If you want a computer that you can use as a learning tool so you can eventually get into the IT field: choose Windows, Mac, or Linux.

Originally posted by cerebrix

give away tech advice for free?

 

wow youre a comedian

How would you know?

Not to sound rude or anything but you appear to be a person who has never had a smile on his face.

By your own definition you seem as ill equipped to talk about humour, or any positive human feeling, as you claim Stradden is to talk about Vista.

Just my own personal reflection judging from your posts, and one that is just as eligible as your initial one.

 

Great article Stradden by the way, not going to get Vista anytime soon but I got a few good laughs out of your write-up, and that always makes for a good day.

If only the cynical megalomaniacs on this site could learn to laugh once in a while, ( and no, laughing at a dog getting hit by a car does NOT count ), this place migth have been an ever better place.

Cheers.

I love reading these threads. So much immature banter.

Anyway, while it didn't apply to me in the slightest as I won't be getting Vista, I enjoyed the article.

Hello All,

ok I have not had many problems with Vista to date but I learned something right away about starting games like Wow under vista.

(1) Right click your shortcut and click run as Admistrator.

(2) if your still having issues right click short cut/ properties and run your games in WinXp Compatiblity mode.

Most of the problems are caused by the firewalls and permission settings in Vista these steps help alot especially if your game client has auto-updates.

If you patch manually , Right click the patch.exe and run it in Admin mode also

Good luck!!!!

VISTA  ROCKS :)

War

Hi,

I think the article is very well written, but I think it gives an unfair account on several points.

First of all, all my games run fantastic on Windows Vista. I've loaded up Guild Wars, WoW, several first person shooters, Auto Assault and Vanguard and the performance is not only flawless, but downright impressive. I'm running Duo Core 2.13 with 2 gigs of RAM and a GEForce 7600 256mb card. Everything runs great if it is supported by decent hardware and a decent processor. In fact, it's quite astonishing.

Secondly, the conclusion on Vanguard is dead wrong. Last night I was loading video from my camcorder in the backround while running Vanguard on all HIGH settings. Vanguard was running without a hitch. Not a single hiccup, or framerate loss, or anything. I kept flipping between applications and the processor was yawning - literally asking for more work to do.

Also, the conclusion on audio is off base. The audio is fantastic in Vanguard running under Vista. It was so brilliant even during the load of the CD's all I could do was sit there and crank the speakers and just enjoy it. Also, during gameplay it never cuts out on Vista (it does on my Pentium 4 HT 3.0 though - running XP - it's choppy and horrible actually) and is absolutely fantastic.

The key is that a box needs to be equipped with the proper hardware to run Vista, and then the results will literally blow you away. There is no reason to avoid Vista in my opinion. They have paid billions of dollars to develop this operating system, and it really shows in every aspect.

I do not with to bash the author of this article, but in my opinion it is not a fair assessment of the state of gaming on Vista.   

My advice to anyone considering Vista:
Keep considering it till next year.  Then get it if you're still considering it.

Also:
If you are going to plunge into Vista do NOT skimp... buy Ultimate... it runs games MUCH better than home and moderately better than enterprise.


But my first advice stands:  Don't upgrade to Vista till next year.  Give MS time to patch the hell out of it, it's already got several known issues.  Let them knock the kinks out for a year.

I really wish this article was around when vista came out,..i had a real hard time finding drivers and such, first off i thought vista was like longhorn and came with both 32 bit and 64 bit on the dvd..i was wrong..but thats what reading is for and we all know what hapens when we assume, then after i put the 32 bit on my pc instead of the 64 i didnt READ all the info that came with the dvd, how was i suposed to know that , what i tohught was an add for something i didnt want was actually info on alternate media? come on,..besides uber geeks who really reads all the stupid little pieces of paper that comes in a box..most of hte time its just crap,..so of course most people didnt read that stuff,..mind you i am talking about day 1, then after a weak i got the 64 bit dvd in the mail and proceded to try to put that on my pc,..geuss what? my dvd didnt work!!!,...and no dvd worked on vista..i was bafled, it is a yamakawa dvd player(a what ? you say ) yes thats right it doesnt have a web site hte phone number is to a japanese landline, adn the email starts with sales, never good,..so after a couple more days i gave up and tries a clean install,..thank god that actually works and now my dvd player works,...but 2 of my harddrives do not work..whatever i have 200 gigs on my master ill just deal with it....now my sound doesnt work,..WTF...i almost cry..i went to BFG(my motherboars)website to look for the drivers...go to nvidia? ok i go to Nvidia..nope those drivers do not make my saound card work..well what kind of sound card is on the motherboard,..i looked at the box my mother board came in...nope i dont see anything about the name..wel;l ill call bfg..i am sure theyll be helpfull....nope they are idiots..they told me that the sound card on the Nforce 4 ultra  doesnt have a name and htat they dont start putting sound cards on the motherboard that have names till later models,..umm ok whatever, your no help..contact nvidia...no responce...my brother says its a realtek and he has another brand motehrboard and sends me to there site...nope the drivers wont install,..whatever mmorpgs dont really need sound..so i play like that for a few days..waiting for nvidia to reply to my email..nope they dont and still havnt,..so i tried to turn it off in bios and to see if i can trick it into working (no i have no real working knowledge of computers,..just neough to make it go BOOOM) that when  isaw the name of my soundcard...ac97 OMFGIH, so i went on the hunt for the realtek ac97 vista drivers...and when i finaly had the info i needed i got the sound card to work ...sorta...lots of stuff needs to be worked out ,..but hell who needed that 500 k of ram anyways ? LOL jk...at any rate i got used to my eyes bleeding ....hopefully this wil lall work itself out ,..like a virus ...or a sliver thats too deep ...

Nice. Jeremy, please do reviews more often. Thats the way they should be.

Thanks for the info.

I was on the fence about getting Vanguard, but hearing it has difficulties with Vista tells me I'd best follow the advice I didn't follow when I got Vista in the first place...  don't.

To add to the list of MMO class games that sort-of work,

Albatross 18 (yea I play MMO Golf) works well with current video drivers but mutes all audio under WinVista (game audio and other audio).  Creative X-Fi customers have a solution with ALchemy.  While ALchemy did not recognise Albatross18 when I ran it, copying the dsound dll and ini files from the alchemy directory directly to the game's program directory purportedly works.

The folks running A18 have posted in their support forums this will be fixed in a patch soon.

Second Life doesn't seem to like Vista much either.  My experience consisted of the game loading to a black screen.  New drivers upgraded the experience to a black screen that would occasionally flash the game world for a few seconds with limited input responsiveness.  I've read a few suggestions, currently though the community seems to have a mixed bag of results.

=-Donovon-=

I play EVE online, which runs without a hitch on Vista (at least on my machine.) After noting that there was some additional lag compared to running on XP, I took a look at the compatability tab. There is an option called 'Disable Desktop Compositing' that disables Aero during the operation of the game. I activated that (leaveing the game in Vista mode otherwise) and my framerate returned to normal.

Second Life also seems to work fine in Vista, as long as you disable desktop compositing.

I still get stereo sound, of course. :)

It seems to me most of the bottleneck is that Aero takes of graphics memory to run, and doesn't drop out when a full screen game is running.