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RonnyRulz  2/05/07 11:57:41 AM

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This forum''s opinion is worth less than a stray dog crapping in a forest that no one cares about.

Quality of Graphics do NOT justify the required High-End system.

I ran Vanguard on max settings getting 20-50 fps, and with some stuff toned down I got a constant 35 fps. That's fine because I have a high-end system. Not everyone can spend $2000 on a computer though. Especially just to play this unfinished game (which should still be in beta for 3 more months.)

The graphics are NOT that impressive. The character models are cartoony, the game is full of bugs/glitches,  and the lack of organic detail is disappointing. The graphics are good, excluding the character models. If I wanted to play a cartoon character model, I'd play WoW. Games such as Oblivion, LoTR Online, and other games have beautiful graphics that are better than Vanguard's. Far better. Whether in terms of the world itself or the actual graphical textures, they are far greater than Vanguard's graphics. They also require less resources to play.

The fact is that Vanguard requires a ridiculous amount of computer power to even play. Worse, it requires even more ridiculous amount to play with good fps. Even worse, you can't, even with lowest settings and a high-end computer, get above 50fps.
The fact is that Vanguard's graphics do not constitute nor justify the required high-end system to efficiently play it. WoW, Oblivion, LOTR, those are all games whose graphics are great. Great enough to be satisfied by good graphics and an immersive world. Vanguard on the other hand is worse than those games in terms of graphics and thus immersion, yet it requires MORE resources to play? Also, the options are ridiculous. Running at max settings I got an average of 30-40 fps. Running on minimum settings, where the trees are paper crayola drawings, I only got 35-40fps average. A big boost of 5fps in return for a huge loss in quality. Pathetic.

Vanguard is a poorly made game. I used to play in the Phase 1 of a popular MMO's beta, and there's barely any bugs, a finished and greatly polished game. Vanguard, in Phase 4 beta, and even after release, isn't polished at all, has tons of bugs, and it's just pathetic compared to other MMO's who are already more bug-free and polished in phase 1 than Vanguard is AFTER RELEASE. I do not understand how they expect you to bring your friends to Vanguard when they can't even play the game because they don't want to spend $2000 just to play an unfinished, unpolished, bug-filled, poorly designed game.

I am not here to only troll, I'm also here to tell other about this game. Mainly about what angers me the most: A company that FORCES the players to upgrade their machine just to play when the graphics are NOT worth upgrading for. This game has and is going to lose thousands of players solely because it decided to limit its playerbase on those who can afford a high-end system. Don't get me wrong, my system is fine and runs Vanguard smoothly. But my friends, family, and thousands of others can't even play it for different reasons. If you can't get a game to run on the average system with 30fps, you've failed in the MMO market. MMO is about getting a lot of people, not getting those who are rich and spoiled enough to buy a $2000 machine.

Fariic  2/05/07 12:02:19 PM

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The human eye is incapable of distinguishing between 30 FPS and 50 FPS, because you can't see faster then 30 FPS; so getting more then 30 isn't really neccesary.

I could be wrong about that, but do believe that to be factual.

Hope you find a better game.

 
Maverick123w  2/05/07 12:06:03 PM

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I'm pretty certain that the human sees at 60fps... I know i can see a difference in Vanguard when I run at 30fps vs. say the mid 50's
 
RonnyRulz  2/05/07 12:06:43 PM

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This forum''s opinion is worth less than a stray dog crapping in a forest that no one cares about.

That's not true. I, as well as thousands of others, can tell the difference between 30fps and 60fps. I can't be wrong because I CAN tell the difference. So I guess if you're right, I must be some kind of robot.

Thanks, I did find  a better game. Hope you have fun too!

morpin  2/05/07 12:10:27 PM

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How many FPS the human eye can detect is kind of tricky question.  See this link:

http://www.100fps.com/how_many_frames_can_humans_see.htm

 

 

Fariic  2/05/07 12:14:02 PM

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Originally posted by RonnyRulz

That's not true. I, as well as thousands of others, can tell the difference between 30fps and 60fps. I can't be wrong because I CAN tell the difference. So I guess if you're right, I must be some kind of robot.

Please, don't make up facts just because you read it on some internet article.

Regardless, that is insignificant to this post.


Perseption is a crazy thing.  When I'm at home all by myself and I hear a creek from the house settling, I swear its someone walking in the back hall; I even see the shadows.

You may perseve (sp?) to see it faster because you know that it is running faster, but your eye will still only pick up those 30 frames per second. 

When someone waves a glow stick in front of my face, back and forth very fast, I know I see several glow sticks.  I see them because if my eye could process the information and deliver it to my brain then my brain could send back the necesary responce to see just one glow stick moving very fast.  I see them because my eye can't see and process information at that speed.

 

Like I said, I could be wrong about the number of frames, it could  be like 32 or some odd nuber like that, but I know that you can't see 60 FPS.  You only think you do because the numbers on your screen says it's moving that fast. 

 

Edit:  I swear on Jesus Christ, his mother, father, aunt and uncle I did not read your link till after posting this.  I honestly thought that I was going to look like a complete ass when I saw your link.

Turns out, I'm not as big an ass as I though, and pretty damn spot on.

 
Deathstrike2  2/05/07 12:14:22 PM

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Actually, the environment is quite stunning to look at, as I am finding.  This game is hands down more beautiful than any MMO I've ever played.  The attention to detail is amazing.   There's new stuff to discover literally everywhere.

You are somewhat correct on the description of the player's avatars.  They look okay, but it would be much better if Sigil added more hair styles to jazz it up a bit.  With only 4 hair styles per race (I think), there isn't a lot of variety.  Also, as a little knitpick, I hate the sliders for colors.  They're way too touchy.  Just give us a color box to move around in.  Overall though, the avatars aren't terrible at all.  They just need a little more noticeable variety.

No one is denying that there are bugs in the game or that it could be further optomized though, but the game is far from unplayable.  If you haven't at least tried this game yet, you really don't know what you're missing.  It's good and getting better.

 
vission  2/05/07 12:15:06 PM

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Please keep your numbers consistent and your information factual.  1,000's of other players?  You don't know 1,000's of others on VG and their performance, etc.  First max is 20-50 ... then it's 30-40?  And go use google to find how how many fps the human eye can see, RobotRonny.

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EliasThorne  2/05/07 12:16:50 PM

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FPS aside, two opinions from me - the games fun and its not buggy to game break point.

Thees my opinion, I don't have a $2000 PC, nor do any of may mates - we're enjoying it and my opinion didn't take as long to read

Currently Playing: Vanguard: SoH
Currently Following: TSW & W.A.R
Games in my wake: Anarchy Online, Archlord (beta), Asheron’s Call, Asheron’s Call 2, City of Heroes(beta), Dark Age of Camelot (SI to Catacombs), DDO, EVE Online, EverQuest II (beta), Guild Wars, Horizons, Lineage II, RF Online (beta), RYL, Saga of Ryzon, Shadowbane, Star Wars Galaxies, World of Warcraft

RonnyRulz  2/05/07 12:22:13 PM