Originally posted by DuraheLL

Originally posted by Hydro101

i know war was around longer then wow, but you know what, if WAR ends up being a level grind, then a gear grind, just to reroll a class cause theres nothing left to do and there is no such thing as real pvp, then i will claim WAR ripped off WOW.

i doubt ill end up playing this game neways, from my understanding there won't be hydrids, it will be the same ol plain and simple paper rock scissors where you pick a class, and thats it and everyone else who picked a class has the same spells/skills as you. I could be wrong but if thats the case then this game already is crap in my book. But i wouldn't mind at all being proven wrong.

Whatever it turns out to be I'm almost certain it will be of much more quality and depth than what's to offer on the MMORPG dining table by today.

Perhaps not ALL games, but all games that are focused on PvP and somewhat item farming.

LMFAO, funny

Out of the PVP games WAR combat system looks to be the least innovative and the combat system is what makes a PVP game. Well that and a bug free game. Bugs in non-PVP oriented games dont tend to have as large an impact on the players enjoyablility as bugs in a PVP game do. When a player can use these bugs to ruin a gamers experience then the tolerance is very low.

This is the lessons that should be learned from M59, Shadowbane, UO, etc. It isnt that PVP games cant be successful its that the attempts at them have had too many bugs and those issues resulted in players leaving in droves. The tolerance level is very low. Back on track to me WAR looks to be the least "new" game. It is basically a lot of the same. It isnt a WoW clone much like WoW was not an EQ clone. WoW wasnt very innovative and neither is WAR which is why I am rooting for other games to succeed.

These two games big draw is that they have IP people love. WoW success is very much leveraged off Warcraft IP.

Originally posted by mrbloodfiend

The tolerance level is very low. Back on track to me WAR looks to be the least "new" game. It is basically a lot of the same. It isnt a WoW clone much like WoW was not an EQ clone.

New or new if it succeeds in being a highly polished result and with the RvR it contains it WILL rock. Ofc nothing is "new" but quality gaming does never have to be new to be funny.

WoW wasnt very innovative and neither is WAR which is why I am rooting for other games to succeed.

To me this will be a game which I can finally say is more polished and better than WoW, if everything goes as planned and nothing will become screwed up ofc.

I have maaaany WoW addicts to convert to WAR when it's released ^^

Originally posted by mrbloodfiend

Originally posted by DuraheLL

Originally posted by Hydro101

i know war was around longer then wow, but you know what, if WAR ends up being a level grind, then a gear grind, just to reroll a class cause theres nothing left to do and there is no such thing as real pvp, then i will claim WAR ripped off WOW.

i doubt ill end up playing this game neways, from my understanding there won't be hydrids, it will be the same ol plain and simple paper rock scissors where you pick a class, and thats it and everyone else who picked a class has the same spells/skills as you. I could be wrong but if thats the case then this game already is crap in my book. But i wouldn't mind at all being proven wrong.

Whatever it turns out to be I'm almost certain it will be of much more quality and depth than what's to offer on the MMORPG dining table by today.

Perhaps not ALL games, but all games that are focused on PvP and somewhat item farming.

LMFAO, funny

Out of the PVP games WAR combat system looks to be the least innovative and the combat system is what makes a PVP game.

i can imagine mythic putting together a great game, no matter the sugar coated story, look at what they did with DAOC, i never played it persoanlly, but i hear nothing but great things bout that game before all the xpacs.

for some reason though, i REALLY do not see mythic surpassing AOC's combat style, in which AOC is a pvp focused game that has recently confirmed in the last 2 months (after a year of development) that they will be tossing in some instance's for the pve raiders. not to mention, AoC WILL have hybrid structured class's. only other game i've heard of having hybrids and being completely pvp focused with a next generation combat system is Darkfall.

i just don't see Mythic surpassing either of these 2 games, even with a great lore such as WAR for there sugar coated topping. But i sure hope they this game doesn't get the angry Vanguard let down mobs.... or i feel kinda bad for you all=)

But then again, if i left a cruddy wannabe pvp game such as wow, for Vanguard to save my mmo interest, i'd give up and kick all your dogs

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Originally posted by bonafidee
    OMG its got a hotbar WOW-RIPOFF . OMG its got scrolling combat text WOW-RIPOFF. OMG its got quests WOW-RIPOFF. OMG its got "cartoony" graphics. OMG its got weapons WOW-RIPOFF!!!
    Incase you couldnt tell, I am being sarcastic. MMORPG's were around for about 8 years before world of warcraft and will be around long after it dies.
    I hate MMORPG virgins that pop their cherry on warcraft and think its gods gift to gamers. WoW basically just ripped off the best bits of previous MMORPG's and made them noob friendly. Warhammer online is the next step in evolution.
    It happens with every genre of games. Can you really call Half-life 2 a rip off of the Doom franchise because they both use first person with guns? No, of course not, that would be rediculous. That is exactly what you are doing when you say Warhammer is ripping off Warcraft.

Originally posted by MaelstromWAR

Originally posted by bonafidee
    OMG its got a hotbar WOW-RIPOFF . OMG its got scrolling combat text WOW-RIPOFF. OMG its got quests WOW-RIPOFF. OMG its got "cartoony" graphics. OMG its got weapons WOW-RIPOFF!!!
    Incase you couldnt tell, I am being sarcastic. MMORPG's were around for about 8 years before world of warcraft and will be around long after it dies.
    I hate MMORPG virgins that pop their cherry on warcraft and think its gods gift to gamers. WoW basically just ripped off the best bits of previous MMORPG's and made them noob friendly. Warhammer online is the next step in evolution.
    It happens with every genre of games. Can you really call Half-life 2 a rip off of the Doom franchise because they both use first person with guns? No, of course not, that would be rediculous. That is exactly what you are doing when you say Warhammer is ripping off Warcraft.

I agree completely, but just to let u know it doesnt have cartoony graphics, dunno how anyone can say that, maybe it has a little less realistic then daoc catacombs graphics, but trust me when i say it doesnt have cartoony graphics, u wanna argue then fine, but I have played the alpha And I can say that this game is MUCH different then WoW !

Originally posted by Math_Blaster
Actually there is a reason Warcraft is so much like Warhammer.

Supposedly, back in the day Blizzard was making a Warhammer-based RTS. It turned out that either Games Workshop didn't accept it or that they pulled out. I guess Blizzard didn't want to just give up so they changed a little bit from the Warhammer universe and thus Warcraft was born. So really it's not TOTALLY a ripoff, although it annoys the hell out of me when people say GW ripped off Blizz, an it always has even before the days of WoW.

As far as ripping off Tolkein, I would have to say Warhammer does not. Orcs in Tolkein's stories are very different from the Orcs of Warhammer and WoW. Bretonnians, Skaven, the Empire, Chaos, Tomb Kings, Dark Elves, and Vampire Counts are all almost completely unique to the Wathammer universe. Warhammer's Wood Elves differ from Tolkein's Wood Elves. The main similarities between Tolkein and Warhammer are found in the High Elves and even stronger in the Dwarfs. Besides, what fantasy game doesn't owe at least a part of it's roots to Tolkein. It's the same in sci-fi- most sci-fi novels, games, tv shows, etc. owe a lot to Starship Troopers (the old books, not the movies) or Star Wars.

I don't know if the part about Warcraft and Warhammer has been discussed yet, I'm too lazy to read all of the posts

I don't know about Skaven being unique.  IMO, they are from a Fafhrd and the gray mouser story writen by Fritz Lieber.

Here is a bit from:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skaven

 Inspirations

The idea of the Skaven race may have come from a series of novels by Fritz Leiber, a pulp fiction novelist. The Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser stories involve a race of intelligent rats who live under the cities of men, led by a council of thirteen rat sorcerers who attempt by covert means to take over a large cosmopolitan city that bears a passing resemblance to Altdorf.

Originally posted by wjrasmussen

Originally posted by Math_Blaster
Actually there is a reason Warcraft is so much like Warhammer.

Supposedly, back in the day Blizzard was making a Warhammer-based RTS. It turned out that either Games Workshop didn't accept it or that they pulled out. I guess Blizzard didn't want to just give up so they changed a little bit from the Warhammer universe and thus Warcraft was born. So really it's not TOTALLY a ripoff, although it annoys the hell out of me when people say GW ripped off Blizz, an it always has even before the days of WoW.

As far as ripping off Tolkein, I would have to say Warhammer does not. Orcs in Tolkein's stories are very different from the Orcs of Warhammer and WoW. Bretonnians, Skaven, the Empire, Chaos, Tomb Kings, Dark Elves, and Vampire Counts are all almost completely unique to the Wathammer universe. Warhammer's Wood Elves differ from Tolkein's Wood Elves. The main similarities between Tolkein and Warhammer are found in the High Elves and even stronger in the Dwarfs. Besides, what fantasy game doesn't owe at least a part of it's roots to Tolkein. It's the same in sci-fi- most sci-fi novels, games, tv shows, etc. owe a lot to Starship Troopers (the old books, not the movies) or Star Wars.

I don't know if the part about Warcraft and Warhammer has been discussed yet, I'm too lazy to read all of the posts

I don't know about Skaven being unique.  IMO, they are from a Fafhrd and the gray mouser story writen by Fritz Lieber.

Here is a bit from:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skaven

 Inspirations

The idea of the Skaven race may have come from a series of novels by Fritz Leiber, a pulp fiction novelist. The Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser stories involve a race of intelligent rats who live under the cities of men, led by a council of thirteen rat sorcerers who attempt by covert means to take over a large cosmopolitan city that bears a passing resemblance to Altdorf.