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JJazn  6/18/07 12:53:43 PM

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Originally posted by kishe
sad thing is...no matter how much ea tries to ruin uo...no other mmo still has even quarter of its depth

 

Totally agree.... i still haven't played a single mmorpg as half as good as UO...... so sad.....


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sempiternal  6/21/07 3:47:48 AM

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If that's the case, then you probably have not played any half decent MMOs.
 
Ryld  6/27/07 3:16:22 AM

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Originally posted by sempiternal

Incorrect.

Both Everquest (blue) and Asheron's Call (purple) grew to over 480,000 subscriptions over a period of more than two years with no significant effect to the growth rate of Ultima Online (Violet).  This is because the MMO market has been expanding exponentially since inception.

img455/1126/steadygrowthredline5ox.jpg

 

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Heh, The PINK line is UO's line in the graph not the violet line.  So as not to further skew this chart here is a link to the source of the entire chart and not just a small portion of it.
 
Draw your own conclusions as to whether EQ, T2A, or any other major event had any flattening effect on UO subscriptions.  

http://www.mmogchart.com/

This site gives a great "big picture" view of the early years of nearly all mmogs.

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hercules  6/27/07 7:56:00 PM

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Originally posted by sempiternal

Incorrect.

Both Everquest (blue) and Asheron's Call (purple) grew to over 480,000 subscriptions over a period of more than two years with no significant effect to the growth rate of Ultima Online (Violet).  This is because the MMO market has been expanding exponentially since inception.

img455/1126/steadygrowthredline5ox.jpg

Actually the purple line is UO which peaked at july 2003 at 250k way after trammel .The light blue is indeed EQ1 peaking at 550k in 2004 .The violet is actually AC1 which has been on decline since it peaked in 2001 at just over 100k.

The graph shown is from mmogchart.com and can be seen at the 120-700k sub section.I am sure it was not an attempt to mislead anyone like sempiternal did with roma victor but purely a misreading of the graph 

 
Lucifrank  6/27/07 8:14:25 PM

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"Those who are willing to forsake their civil liberties for security deserve neither."

If there were no UO, there would be no MMORPG industry as we know it. Think of what was before UO in terms of online gaming. MUDS and some primitive multiplayer RPGs offered through providers like AOL and Prodigy. UO is THE game that opened up a whole wide world of what MMORPGs could be conceptually. Sure we can cringe at the 2D graphics, simplistic by today's standards, but the game has been around for what? 10 years? Most Americans don't have cars that've lastest them that long. Kudos to EQ for bringing the MMORPG into the 3D realm, but whether you're a PvPer, a PvEer, an old school fan of the single player Ultima series, or a pen-and-paper gamer who was ushered into the computer age thanks to Lord British's creative vision, we all owe some debt of gratitude to this game.
 
Lucifrank  6/27/07 8:19:15 PM

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"Those who are willing to forsake their civil liberties for security deserve neither."

Originally posted by SWGLover

Sorry, the release of EQ1 started an immediate decline in the growth of UO.

Them's the facts, sorry.


And WoW came along and buried EQ. And a few years down the line, some other game that's now but a glimmer in a young design team's eyes will knock WoW off it's throne. So goes the vicious, magical circle of life. Does anyone have a Kleenex?
 
IIRL  6/28/07 10:24:28 AM

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UO pre-trammel defined MMORPG for me.

Since then no MMORPG has been able to intrigue me as much, hopefully Darkfall Online will release in a near future, the only game true to the MMORPG premise - to come.

 

 

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Kordesh  6/28/07 10:28:03 AM

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Does this even need to be discussed? Isn't it a bit LATE to be discussing this? UO died, no questions, end of discussion, with the introduction of Felucca and Trammel YEARS ago. It was just a downhill spiral once Garriott left.

 
SWGLover  6/28/07 2:10:57 PM

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Originally posted by Lucifrank
Originally posted by SWGLover

Sorry, the release of EQ1 started an immediate decline in the growth of UO.

Them's the facts, sorry.


And WoW came along and buried EQ. And a few years down the line, some other game that's now but a glimmer in a young design team's eyes will knock WoW off it's throne. So goes the vicious, magical circle of life. Does anyone have a Kleenex?

I can't disagree with that observation at all!     

 

 

 
sempiternal  7/03/07 10:22:07 PM

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