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1/25/07 10:51:05 PM#41
Well I don't see how preorder rewards or collector's edition ingame rewards are bad. Usually they are items or abilities that are helpful in the beginning but become less useful later on. Example was CoH Collector's Edition gave a bonus power to "glide" over surfaces, basically it was a faster than normal Sprint. Once you hit 14 and got your normal travel power you didn't use that one anymore. WoW gives ingame pets, Netherwhelp for TBC, so I don't see how that is a bad idea. |
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1/25/07 11:50:59 PM#42
And name a mmo now thats come out in the last year and had no incentive of any kind for a preorder for a new game or expansion. ( everquest comes to mind on expasnions but thats it ). I can tell you that my inetrest int the game has increased when i read about the preorder incentives. Bottom line is that in the next year theres going to be alot of fighting for the MMO players dollar, and it can only go so far. This game has same plus that WOW had.. A huge fanbase thats familiar with the content. Thers 2 directions this game can go.. Wow route( not to the nummber of subcribers but least succesful, or Star Wars Galaxies. in the start have adecent amount of players but desginers kill the game. Time will tell. |
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1/26/07 12:19:31 AM#43
Turbine usually lays an egg when it comes to marketing and promotion of their games but this is probably the most brilliant idea I have seen for a pre order plan. One of World of Warcrafts best marketing tools has been touting high subscription numbers. People read the news article and say well 1 million people are playing maybe I should try it out. After a while 1 million becomes 2 million and the new headline comes out about 2 million subscribers, and someone reads the article and says hmm maybe I should try it out and so on. You really want to hit the ground running at launch and keep momentum going and it looks like they may be headed in the right direction. The game seems really polished at this point so this may be one of the best launched games we have seen for some time. What I would really like to see is a all access pass for Dungeons and Dragons Online and Asheron's Call thrown in like what Sony does. |
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1/26/07 12:31:03 AM#44
Yeah, I hadn't thought of that. The lifetime membership doesn't appeal to a player like me, that almost never sticks with an MMO for more than a few months - but the $9.99 deal? Yeah, of course I'd go for that - and then, be reluctant to quit. In the end, I'd still be getting a good deal, but they come out ahead, because it'd encourage me to stick with the game longer. If they did give a lifetime discount, regardless of whether one quits or not, how would that benefit them? I don't consider it underhanded or anything, just a pretty good strategy that works for both the game and its players. Sounds to me like something more MMOs should consider. When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world. |
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1/26/07 1:57:06 AM#45
Very nice. This news will push some of my fence sitting friends over to my side. I'll probably do the lifetime membership.
"Many nights, my friend... Many nights I've put a blade to your throat while you were sleeping. Glad I never killed you, Steve. You're alright..." |
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1/26/07 3:50:06 AM#46
I don't understand how people can make a fuss about pre-orders getting some extra stuff, useful or not. Large amounts of preorders put fast cash back into the system and allow for more and quicker content updates in the future. All good, in every respect.
Also, what really ticks me off is the universal "truth" that time = currency in MMOs, and real money doesn't. I have more money than time (which is not to say that I have a lot of money - just too little time) and grinding faction for x hours in order to be allowed entrance to instance y is if not impossible then at least highly annoying for me. Get me right - I played DaoC back in the days when I could spend 6 hours per day in the game, and I never complained then (nor would I have spent money to speed up my progress either) but those days are gone and I don't want to do useless things for hours at an end simply because there are millions of unemployed/studying/playing at work people out there still that can. Time does not equal currency, even if Blizzard tries to tell us so (I quit WOW for that reason). It doesn't in real life (you don't automatically make more money because you work more - you need to build a career. You don't win the Australian Open simply by practising more - you need talent to succeed, etc) so why should it in MMOs? I'll stop before I offend anyone (if that is possible) :) but I am intrigued by the lifetime membership that I will definitely consider - what better way to alleviate the pressure of "I must play because I pay to be here" that is a fun destroyer as much as anything else for those of us that have too little time? Refreshing. I hope the game is good enough for me to try it! |
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Faelan
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1/26/07 5:27:47 AM#47
Sorry for not jumping up and down with enthusiasm, but:
SWG taught me never to sign up for a year at a time. Something like a month after I had signed up for 12 months, they unleashed the CU and before my 12 months ran out, they unleashed the NGE to deliver the death blow. That's how much an MMO can be butchered in such a short amount of time. Dark and Light taught me never to preorder something unless there's either an easy way for me to back out of it and get my money back, or I'm already in the beta and thus know what I'm getting myself into. I would not have preordered VG, had it not been for me being in the beta. Even then, it was only little less than a week ago that I decided to preorder due to the sudden massive improvements the game saw near the end of beta. Having said that, I think the lifetime offer is an interesting concept worth exploring further in other MMOs, as long as there's an option in the NDA for a refund if there's a major revamp, such as changing from a skill to a level based system or suddenly reducing the number of classes to a 3rd of what the game released with. I personally couldn't see myself sign up for something like that with a WoW style MMO because they just don't keep me interested for that long. A sandbox game like pre-CU SWG on the other hand. Or heck... EVE online would be perfect for this type of setup because it uses real time skill training. Then taking a six month break from the game wouldn't make it feel like such a setback because you just lost half a year of skill points. I'm a big ol' fluffy carewolf. Be afraid. Be very afraid. |
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1/26/07 5:36:25 AM#48
considering a SOE station pass is 25 a month USD and I only have time to play one game at a time anyway I figure I will go with the lifetime deal. I played UO for 4 years straight, then DAOC and EQII each for 2 plus years off and on. The 200 bucks is not a bad deal even if I play for six months then put it down till the expansion hits then play for 4 more etc etc. I think there will be at least 3 expansions and from everything I have heard the game is solid and fun even if it is just another fantasy game. I have to admit though that the MvP is what intrigues me the most since from what I have heard is pretty much old style DAoC with a twist or two. That in itself will add to the replayability for me at least. Each to their own there of course. I hardly think a low level cloak and ring are going to totaly ruin anything as far as the economy goes, that is just BS. I think the big reasons for this is trying to beat WoW's launch numbers just to be able to say they did it. And secondly I think most people will go for the 9.99 deal and since that goes away if you cancel and resub people will thing twice before canceling knowing that if they get the urge to play again it will cost 15 a month. Smart move by the marketing boys imho. I miss DAoC
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1/26/07 10:14:18 AM#49
If I had made a game and know people won't be playing it for a long time, I would be choosing the same way. My marketing expert shall give a news out of a revolutionary new preorder system... Good to make quick money before people realize what they get. |
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1/26/07 11:42:31 AM#50
No, it's up to players to pick what's right for them. If they have good reason to believe they'll be sticking with the game (e.g. beta experience and longterm gaming tendencies), then great, take the lifetime deal. If not, don't. If someone chooses badly, it's thier own fault, not Turbine's, IMHO. When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world. |
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1/26/07 11:44:45 AM#51
Not bashing the game but you should really play it before paying anything, beta or otherwise. Many folks got burn't with DnL, Horizons etc etc. Now playing: Nothing |
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1/26/07 2:54:50 PM#52
Originally posted by Samuraisword
Oh and I have been in beta, I have it pre-ordered and I am seriously thinking about the $200 option.
Julie "Lissette" Myers |
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1/26/07 4:42:03 PM#53
Originally posted by metalcore
I agree and according to the FAQ here they will have a public open beta beginning April 06 according to item 10 and according to item 26 you have until April 24 to pre order so that would give you 18 days to try before you buy. I miss DAoC
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1/26/07 6:28:08 PM#54
I have talked to some people that are in the LOTRO beta. It sounds like the game will be mostly PVE with a large number of quests. The PvP can be done as an evil character (level 10+ main character) or a good character (level 40+ main character) in a massive PvP map. Good and Evil fight over contested forts and bases for controll of the map. I hear LOTRO is rather polished already. If I wanted to play another mostly PvE with some PvP I would give this game a shot (especially with this founder and reduced subscription cost promotion). However I want a more PvP oriented game. I am waiting for possibly WAR, AoC, or Huxley. |
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1/27/07 8:34:02 AM#55
I was invited to the Weekend beta stress test, downloaded the with the recomended download agent 2+ gig of client clicked the Setup icon and, (drum roll please) NOTHING. Well I would have to say I think that pretty much settles it for me. Wouldn't touch LotRO with a tenfoot poll. Just my opinion. |
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1/27/07 9:59:58 AM#56
Originally posted by StormsenderEver think it might be operator error? I miss DAoC
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1/27/07 10:13:52 AM#57
No it's not operator error(nice you instantly assume faulty sofware performance is the fault of the user) when you download it 3 times and it fails to launch every time. I am in the IT field I know how to trouble shoot problems. Thats not the issue so much as the fact that if you want people to play your game every thing needs polish and at the very least it need to function as intended, which the client download clearly does not. It really should be bullet proof but unfortunately I am left with a bad impression with the developer and thier project. Simple as that, I hope that is clear enough for you. |
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1/27/07 10:33:27 AM#58
Originally posted by Stormsender I don't know how many people are in the beta but obviously more than a few have not had any problems.By rthe way it still is closed beta for 2 more months, not try before buy or open beta which begins April 06. I miss DAoC
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1/27/07 10:57:32 AM#59
Obviously the point of my post has escaped you to the extent that you are answering what I am saying blinded by your own thoughts on subjets not related to what I am saying. So I will make this my last attempt at clearification; I won't play the game because of MY percieved problem turbine has with their client, with a game this high profile I don't want to see anything broken, end of story. I am not interested with every other beta testers experiences, or when the open beta starts or any try before you buy nonsense you mentioned. When Turbine invites ME to test I make MY decission based on MY experiences, the software failed, leaving a bad impression, don't need to see anything more. So MY opinion is "I wouldn't buy it" Your comments are waisted on this subject with me, by all means you can tell other people your opinions of course. But your comments that are pointed at my posts make no sense to me, at least the way I see it. For what it's worth, that is MY opinion, your not going to change it. |
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1/27/07 11:22:44 AM#60
Originally posted by Stormsender I really don't even see any point at all to any of your 20 something posts about this or any other games you have commented on to be honest I miss DAoC
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