Lots of people see the 2D graphics and they say tibia sux, worst rpg... this MMORPG is one of the bests because of their skill system, drag and drop, it requires lots of tatics... it is a lot different from those MMORPGs comming from china that they are almost the same and Instant Skill based.... i think they are boring and im not talking about those guys that quit their social life to play wow and do their lives selling WoW Gold....

Tibia was the only MMORPG that still keep me playing, dispite of the support custumer ruining the game with anti macro stuff

If i had to choose between WoW or Tibia Premium i would choose tibia.

Gameloading, I believe you haven't played this game more than for a couple of minutes.

Otherwise, you wouldn't claim it has no tactics.

I say, that I have never played any another MMORPG which requires better use of tactics than Tibia. To claim this, I have played EQ2, WoW, GuildWars, MU, RO, Rappelz, and many other MMORPGs.

But, I always comes back to Tibia because I get bored after playing for couple of weeks or months in any other game. It is always hack and slash in other games.

Let me illustrate few sample tactics that you will need in Tibia (and these varies by different vocations(classes))

- If you are playing hit and run (required by Paladin and Mage classes for some monsters), you need to be aware of your surroundings and monster spawns, otherwise you can get trapped. Also, some monsters can slow you down with paralyze, for this you need to heal yourself.

- Some monsters have strong poison, if you get hit, you need to use antidotes.

- To clear big rooms, you will have to go up and down and shoot AOE runes over monsters. Sometimes you may have to use manashield. Sometimes you will need several tank type players to get the monsters hate to them while the mage classes can safely attack the monster horde.

- There are places where you have to pick and enter, or destroy energy/fire fields to enter.

- Unknown places in Tibia are extremely dangerous. Will get your adrenaline pumped because unlike other games, a one second delay can mean your death and death is pretty harsh.

- Another good example is Hydras. They heal very fast. If you don't know how to kill them, you will never succeed, even if you are pretty high level.

Every strong creature, every dangerous dungeon requires unique tactics to use and you cannot succeed if you couldn't figure out how.

Originally posted by Gameloading
Tactics? what kind of tactics, other then click the enemy mob name, wait a few seconds to kill the mob praying you don't get KS'd?

Originally posted by Kbob
Myabe tibia was fun 10 years ago, but now there are games like Guild Wars and World of Warcraft or free games w/ graphics like Rappelz. Forget about tibia, go 2 the store and buy Oblivion or Dark Messiah.

Originally posted by Strayko

Originally posted by Gameloading
Tactics? what kind of tactics, other then click the enemy mob name, wait a few seconds to kill the mob praying you don't get KS'd?

Hahahahahaha, so naive.
You think a game is only about killing monsters? HECK NO.
Don't judge before you've experienced everything, especially if you didn't get out of Rookgaard.

PVP is everything in Tibia, it makes you do wars...
You know what, screw this. I'm not going to explain, it's too much to type and too difficult for you to understand. It's all the other games which are just about clicking monsters, wait 'till it's dead and move on to the next one. This is what makes Tibia so different from all the other games, it's not about that!

Check my new forum thread, gonna copy it from Xfire, where I posted it. You'll see.

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Strayko

Originally posted by Gameloading
Tactics? what kind of tactics, other then click the enemy mob name, wait a few seconds to kill the mob praying you don't get KS'd?

Hahahahahaha, so naive.
You think a game is only about killing monsters? HECK NO.
Don't judge before you've experienced everything, especially if you didn't get out of Rookgaard.

PVP is everything in Tibia, it makes you do wars...
You know what, screw this. I'm not going to explain, it's too much to type and too difficult for you to understand. It's all the other games which are just about clicking monsters, wait 'till it's dead and move on to the next one. This is what makes Tibia so different from all the other games, it's not about that!

Check my new forum thread, gonna copy it from Xfire, where I posted it. You'll see.

Actually Tibia is exactly like that. If you think that Tibia requires any kind of skill or "advanced tactics", then your either only fooling yourself, or I would seriously consider the performance of your hand-eye coordination and clear thinking. if Tibia is all about pvp, then how come there are only so very few pvp servers? Then how come PVP is actually PUNISHED? Tibia is a PVE game with some lousy PVP tagged on it. Tibia's pvp is 100% based on Equipment and level, just like its PVE. the examples the other poster gave are things an 8 year can do. I know this because I used to work at a school as a volunteer, and kids played it as much as possible. Not to mention Tibia was my first MMO, and I was quite young when I first played it, which also explains the HORRIBLE community.

Originally posted by Strayko

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Strayko

Originally posted by Gameloading
Tactics? what kind of tactics, other then click the enemy mob name, wait a few seconds to kill the mob praying you don't get KS'd?

Hahahahahaha, so naive.
You think a game is only about killing monsters? HECK NO.
Don't judge before you've experienced everything, especially if you didn't get out of Rookgaard.

PVP is everything in Tibia, it makes you do wars...
You know what, screw this. I'm not going to explain, it's too much to type and too difficult for you to understand. It's all the other games which are just about clicking monsters, wait 'till it's dead and move on to the next one. This is what makes Tibia so different from all the other games, it's not about that!

Check my new forum thread, gonna copy it from Xfire, where I posted it. You'll see.

Actually Tibia is exactly like that. If you think that Tibia requires any kind of skill or "advanced tactics", then your either only fooling yourself, or I would seriously consider the performance of your hand-eye coordination and clear thinking. if Tibia is all about pvp, then how come there are only so very few pvp servers? Then how come PVP is actually PUNISHED? Tibia is a PVE game with some lousy PVP tagged on it. Tibia's pvp is 100% based on Equipment and level, just like its PVE. the examples the other poster gave are things an 8 year can do. I know this because I used to work at a school as a volunteer, and kids played it as much as possible. Not to mention Tibia was my first MMO, and I was quite young when I first played it, which also explains the HORRIBLE community.

Actually, Tibia required a lot of hand-eye coordination by aiming your runes and such.
Which does not apply anymore, because the developers implemented a server where you can aim your runes at the battlescreen (where all the people and monsters get listed).
However tactics do still apply, taking the place, time and flanks.
Knights in the front, mages and archers in the back (you can't walk through other people in Tibia).
And if you can trap people.
And Tibia's way different in monster hunting too, you actually have to run away from it while shooting and using your arsenal to kill it. It requires a lot more tactics than other MMORPGs. Why can you still not believe that?
You know, here's some tactics for you!

That is called Kiting, and that already existed before you even heard of Tibia. are you sure you played other MMORPG's? Because I actually find it hard to remember a game that DOESN'T allow kiting. and wow, you can trap people by standing next to them and hold them against a wall, omgz teh skillz!!111. "Knights in front, mages and archers in the back" wow, now Tibia is really the only mmorpg that uses that setup..

War involves a lot of tactics... you need to plan how and where you're going to battle, this one time we've locked some people up on a bridge. I'll show you the very simple strategy we used:

[img]http://img466.imageshack.us/img466/5754/strategy1fr3.png[/img]
This is how our troops were stationed, and the clashpoint would be at the bridge.
The enemies just entered the island by an underground cave.

[img]http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/3255/strategy2ml0.png[/img]
They walked to the bridge so we outflanked them because their knights were busy blocking our other troops. We were able to get to all their archers and mages with our knights and they had nowhere to run, so in the end we kept the bridge and they were not able to take our town. If they would've done so, we'd be screwed because it's a highly defendable place.

Here you can see some trapping going on:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPkBfVDUfCs&mode=related&search=

Simply chasing people until you get them stuck, so definitely tactics. You can use magic wall runes to trap those people so they cannot escape and bash 'em to death.

Wow...I can't believe you actually consider this tactics? Tell you what, go Play EVE Online (and actually get into the clan based wars) or Lineage 2, do the pvp there, and witness some REAL strategy. this is the most basic "strategy" that is used in every mmorpg.

Don't know why I even bothered doing this just to prove some stubborn guy wrong. Ahwell.

Don't feel bad, you helped me prove my point.

And I don't know what you're talking about, but Tibia's got 60 pvp servers out of the 72 servers in total.
So lol!?

Actually, Tibia has only 2 pvp enforced pvp servers, the others allow pvp but pvp is PUNISHED there. I'm not sure if the rule is still there, of if cipsoft actually came to their senses after so many years, but after a certain number of PK's, your account would be BANNED. I believe it was 12 a month, and if you go on a PK rampage, your account gets banned as well. this was not some GM being  a prick, that was actually in the rulesetting.

So go have fun with your little "Tactics" haha.

Originally posted by Strayko
Ah, I didn't prove your point at all.
You just proved that you're not the smartest.

There's no getting into you, and I won't bother talking to you any longer. Play this game before you judge it, because I've played EVE and several other games. NOTHING compares to Tibia. Tibia is unique and is better than any other MMORPG.
That is ofcourse, my opinion, which is based on the indepth gameplay and structure of the game, which no other game has. And I do mean, no other game.
I thank you kindly, now go play EVE online and do some strategy, which can in no way compare to Tibia's strategy.
You are now ignored, because I don't like prejudices.

EDIT:
No, I am not going to counter your points, because that would be a waste of my time.

Originally posted by Strayko
If the gameplay of Tibia would be able to be transferred to a 3d game, everybody would play this.
For the people claiming this game is bad, please read my other thread.

I hate fanboys who can't speak proper English and constantly keep trying to bash other games to justify their own payment for the games they play.

Originally posted by Strayko
'Kay.
You're not being annoying now, so I'll respond to your post trying to explain some things.

Actually, you and I both know that your merely responding because you can't stand it someone is saying negative things about your game. My attitude between that post and the ones before has not changed.

If Tibia would be transferred to 3D preserving the gameplay it has now, it would be the best game out there.

No it wouldn't. Tibia lacks important things like Custimization, a DECENT grouping system and  has a rediculous death penalty.

It's just that this game can't possibly be transferred to 3D without completely changing the gameplay experience.
The ridiculously high death penalty is what makes you appreciate your in-game earnings. It will get your adrenaline pumping when you walk through an unexplored cave, which I have never experienced in any other MMORPG ever.

Even more people get turned off by a harsh death penalty. Its not only frustrating, it also leads to an increasing downtime and a bigger timesink.

If you die in WoW or Everquest you say:
No big deal, move on and get the experience back in an hour.
If you die in Tibia some people cry their hearts out, because they lose so much. Some people even quit playing the game. Now that's something you don't see in every MMORPG and that's something what makes Tibia unique.

Thats a BAD thing. People quitting over a game because of a death penalty is not a good thing.  Its not a unique feature either, in fact, it was already introduced by a diffrent game before Tibia existed, Ultima Online. UO was/is not the only one, Lineage and Lineage 2 also include very harsh death penalties, as well as Asherons Call: Darktide.

As I said, you can't possibly make a 3D game like this. If the developers of Tibia would transfer Tibia to 3D, everybody would quit and this game would run into the ground.

You contradict yourself.

" If the gameplay of Tibia would be able to be transferred to a 3d game, everybody would play this."

And here you say that you can't possibly make a 3D game like this?

Look there's much more to this game than other games, you actually get to make good friends which you stand by in their time of needs and protect when they're being attacked by other people.

I have shown an alternative game for EVERY feature you mentioned. Do you think that Tibia is the only game where people werk together in PVP? Lineage and Lineage 2 are BUILD around that feauture for crying out loud, its what those games are known for.

It's got a social system like no other MMORPG.

Tibia's social system has been done in many other MMORPG's.

I can't explain this to you, because you have to experience it yourself. I've played a lot of P2P games searching for variety (I get bored with playing one game the same time, very fast) and have found no game like Tibia.
I've been playing this game for 5 years on reasonable terms with some monthly breaks here and there.

You don't have to explain anything, because I played the game myself for a reasonable amount of time. in fact, it was my very first MMORPG's a LOOOONG time ago.

PS:
The influence one can have on a server is insane. You can practically rule a server. The amount of power you can have is incredible.
A lot of people abuse this power, which creates eternal wars between good and evil, which on it's turn is cool.

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