There needs to be some sort of international standards commission to ensure that games that require monthly subscriptions meet a certain....well, standard.

There are a lot of games that are getting shoved out the door, often unfinished and unplayable.  The players that like it pay the price and for a subscription, then end up holding the bag.

Thankfully this crashed before release.

Originally posted by phanatx
I'm really not surprised that it folded [...] its a grindfest.

You are totally right. That's the reason why I stopped playing. After trying the game for sometime, I saw there was really not much else to do but grinding.

Anyways they probably have other issues in mind.

Originally posted by Binny45

There needs to be some sort of international standards commission to ensure that games that require monthly subscriptions meet a certain....well, standard.

Hmm politicians telling us what games are good or bad for us? NO PLEASE!!!

The "standard commision" are the end users. They decide what games are worth playing.

Originally posted by Deadwood602

Man This Is A Sad Day For Me =( I Really Enjoyed Playing PW 9Dragons...

I Developed a Character And Was Getting Into It Pretty Good. Man I Feel Like Punching Something....

As A Avid Player I Am Angry That PW (Persistent Worlds) Did Not Even Give The Players Any Notice Whatsoever

I Feel Like I Wasted The Past  3 Weeks Doiong Absolutely Nothing, The Game Is Unique, And I Think It Beat Out Many Of These Other

Cheesy As5 Games That Are Featured On This Site, I Dont Even Want To Go Into Which Games Those Are,...

I, Like Many Of You, Have Played Many MMORPG's, And I Thought This One Had Very Good Potential...

And To All Those Guys Out There Complaining About Grinding Alot, STOP BEING PHUCKIN LAZY!!

Tell Me A MMORPG Where You Dont Have To Grind In Order To Lvl, Tell Me One, People Like You Are Why Many Of These

Games Suck, Because Some Devs Listen To Lazy Players And Make The Game Ultra-Cheese, Too Easy, Then You Have A

Million High Lvl Char Running Around With Nothing To Do, Shortens The Whole Life Of The Game.

To PW I Am Pissed But WTF Can I Do...

Just a little comment about you saying about Stop being lazy, Grind is something made up by people that do not uderstand mmorpg, a mmorpg should never be a grind its should be a adventure of explorations, when it becomes a grind its not worth of being a mmorpg.Kinda my reason that even tho a game like wow is fun its just not a mmorpg, atleast not in the way orginal mmorpg should be. I have tried 9dragons but it wasn't my type of game, can't comment about the game if it is or not is a true mmorpg. but if combat is the only means to lvl then its not a real mmorpg atleast not in my book (read personal opinion)

Vangaurd is the mmorpg where you can lvl without combat WOOT! no combat and still be able to have fun in a mmorpg

This goes out to Thony, the supposed hard core member...

I Still think that ppl who do not like to grind are lazy, grinding is a part of all mmorpg's even that sorry asz game WoW...

All It Makes Me Say Is "WoW....you guys actually pay a monthly subscription for that piece of sh*t game?"

Another thing is that if I am paying for a game it better be good, I have played WoW, its alrite, but not worth the money

There are many decent games out there but all cost an arm and a leg, with the exception of guild wars which I think

Is A Decent Pricing model.

SO you lazy players who do not want to grind to attain lvls and skills I suggest you go buy a Xbox or PS and buy an rpg

that seems more like your style.

If they ever make an MMORPG where lazy ppl such as your self could lvl as easy as some one like me who actually dedicates time to this cause, then i will never play it.

Lazy ppl are the ones using scripts, macros, and in general third party software, they have no patience, go play a console!

Originally posted by Deadwood602

This goes out to Thony, the supposed hard core member...

I Still think that ppl who do not like to grind are lazy, grinding is a part of all mmorpg's even that sorry asz game WoW...

All It Makes Me Say Is "WoW....you guys actually pay a monthly subscription for that piece of sh*t game?"

Another thing is that if I am paying for a game it better be good, I have played WoW, its alrite, but not worth the money

There are many decent games out there but all cost an arm and a leg, with the exception of guild wars which I think

Is A Decent Pricing model.

SO you lazy players who do not want to grind to attain lvls and skills I suggest you go buy a Xbox or PS and buy an rpg

that seems more like your style.

If they ever make an MMORPG where lazy ppl such as your self could lvl as easy as some one like me who actually dedicates time to this cause, then i will never play it.

Lazy ppl are the ones using scripts, macros, and in general third party software, they have no patience, go play a console!

Fully agree at your last comment about "Lazy people are the ones using.....", don't mistake my words with that of being lazy my friend, i meself like you started your responce am hardcore, like i said grind does not excist for me, its fun to be able to do the stuff that needs to be done in the world you game in, you might call that grind i call that fun that the only difference between so please read what i said before you insult me with that sentence "people as your self" as i did not insult you in anyway nor form but just added to what i think should not be called grind as infact its only doing stuff that needs to be done to survive that world. And if means surviving in a world that you need to kill hunderd of critters then so be it, but don't call it grind as that has a negative tone to it, and don't be narrowminded when i say Vangaurd possible to lvl without combat as that can mean full dedication towards crafting wich can still consume lots of fun time (you might  use the word "grind" for it.)

So you see we share the same view we just not use the same words

Originally posted by Deadwood602

Tell Me A MMORPG Where You Dont Have To Grind In Order To Lvl, Tell Me One

 

Ok, I'll tell you one: Guild Wars Nightfall.  I hit the cap of 20 mostly by doing all the side quests in the starting areas.  Barely even knew how to play well. :)  Sure, you may later choose to grind for cash, equipment upgrades, or skill points, but you never have to grind for *level*.  And it seems like it's balanced so that you could pretty much follow the main plotline and keep up even if you totally ignore the side quests.  GW is different.  Ok, so it's not exactly a full MMROPG, more like a love-child between Diablo, Dungeon Siege, and  Magic: The Gathering, with PvP properly planned for.  But I love it so far.

When people say the game is a grindfest, or it's all about the grind, they are not separating that game from other MMOGs that require you to repeat the same things over and over again to advance. No, what they are saying is that those repeatable actions in the "grind game" are BORING, whereas the MMOGs that people actually enjoy are not referred to in that way, although they may be doing the same kinds of actions. I am one of those people who felt 9Dragons was a grindfest. It did have potential, and it was moderately fun for a few days, but then it got very old, and I could feel the repetition. I am not trying to insult those who enjoy the game. That's great for those people, and I'm glad they do, but I found it too simplistic and repetitive. Sorry to those who enjoyed the game and now can no longer play...

The carpe diem site reports a similar message:

"It is with deep regret that as of the 22nd January Persistent Worlds ceased trading."

I would probably go ahead and take them off the game list.