Originally posted by Atributer

I wanted to ask a small question to everyone?

Who is better?????????????

1. Guildwars(the three factions)
2. WoW(TBC)

I brought Guildwars(NF) and i'm thinking about WoW

is there any diffrence between GUildwars(NF) and WOW 

I thought the review was incredibly biased, in a way that just looks down-right unprofessional.  You really have to wonder whether the author even plays MMOs, because many of the things he blasts WoW for are staples of the genre.   The author of the article goes out of his way to specifically knock the idea of a city in the Outlands where both the Alliance and Horde coexist.  To the author, this is a ridiculous concept that he has never seen before.  He asks how this is justified with WoW lore.  I suppose the author has never been to Booty Bay, Ratchet, Gadgetzan, Cenarion Hold, or Light's Hope Chapel.  It really highlights how he's just writing a review to reinforce his own negative opinions of the game.

The author, to his credit, is right about rep grinds.  It's a gay mechanic, and there are a lot more of them to do.  However, to be fair these rep grind really are not bad at all.  Blizzard really screwed this up in the first game, and made us go through many brutal rep grinds.  So when you first get to the Outland, you think it's going to be just as brutal.  It's not.  I'm not saying the mechanic isn't gay, just that it's not nearly as bad as it used to be.  Then again, maybe it just doesn't *feel* as bad.

Also, I'd like to comment on how delusional most forum posters are.  I know I'm lumping you all in together, but here is how I view you people.  When I see you knocking WoW, it's because the game is too easy for a hardcore, accomplished MMO gamer like yourself.  Then you go on to explain how you quit because you didn't like grinding for gear or xp or being in a guild.  You then go crazy over a little anecdote about how scrubs with crap gear are beating epic-geared raiders, which shows just how unaccomplished a player you actually are.  So yes people, I imagine that you derelects who hate guilds and raiders and grinds were the top gamers in UO, EQ, DAoC or whatever.  You are like those people on American Idol who absolutely suck balls at singing but have no sense of self-awareness.  And you're hilarious to watch!  Hardcore MMO players who quit WoW cause they didn't like grinding for gear or xp or being in guilds?  LMAO! 

Originally posted by Deioth
Elikal, the biggest reasons WoW is so popular:

1. The company.  Blizzard is one of the elites in the industry.  You can trust them to make fair, fun, and well designed games.  From a game designer's standpoint, World of Warcraft is simply breathtaking.
2. It's Warcraft!  How many copies of the series have been sold?  Or just the first, and the second, and the third?
3. Battle.net.  The vast amount of players of this free online network for Diablo, Warcraft, and Starcraft gave Blizzard many more followers and loyal gamers than had Bnet never existed.  People who never play Warcraft online (and surely some who never played a warcraft game ever) knew they'd be getting a good and stable service in a Blizzard MMO.
4. It's casual safe.  You don't need a team, ever, to get the best equipment and to enjoy the game, least of all have to grunge through a raid.  Providing compotent and doable solo content broadened their available market.

Is it your contention that the 8 million WoW players only play because they were huge fans of WC 1 and/or Diablo?

Sit down and think about it.  Is this your contention?

All the casual players that play this game - girls and old people, housewives, etc.  All those people only play because they know about Blizzard's reputation?  They know all reputations of the numerous gaming development and publishing companies?  Not only are these casual players exceptionall well-informed about the gaming industry, they are also champions of WC1 and Diablo.

Is that it?  Is that what you're claiming?

Originally posted by Deioth
Elikal, the biggest reasons WoW is so popular:

1. The company.  Blizzard is one of the elites in the industry.  You can trust them to make fair, fun, and well designed games.  From a game designer's standpoint, World of Warcraft is simply breathtaking.
2. It's Warcraft!  How many copies of the series have been sold?  Or just the first, and the second, and the third?
3. Battle.net.  The vast amount of players of this free online network for Diablo, Warcraft, and Starcraft gave Blizzard many more followers and loyal gamers than had Bnet never existed.  People who never play Warcraft online (and surely some who never played a warcraft game ever) knew they'd be getting a good and stable service in a Blizzard MMO.
4. It's casual safe.  You don't need a team, ever, to get the best equipment and to enjoy the game, least of all have to grunge through a raid.  Providing compotent and doable solo content broadened their available market.

some more reasons could be...

5. Its the most stabel mmo on the market suiteble for almost every decent pc.

6. It atracted more then gamers alone, people that never even heard or played warcraft before, but been bombarded with add/commercials, and Blizzard really knows how to market and make great Intro movies.

Not playing anymore cause i kept missing some form of immersivness but never found it in WOW but had fun tho while i played, but if  technology lets it and if there ever will be a WOW 2 that will look and play like the intro-movies they make then i'll be there and really would call something like that Nex-Gen.

Originally posted by Deioth
voodoochile, you took what I said completely out of proportion. 

I most certainly did not.  You listed the 3 biggest reasons of WoW's success as having to do with Blizzard's reputation before WoW.  It's an absurd notion that 8 million people knew or even cared who Blizzard was.  If it was the reason WoW was so popular, then you would have expected Diablo to have 8 million players too.

Further, I quit WoW after 8 months from retail, and the only raid boss I ever saw was Lucifron, through PUGs, and fought him collectively?  4 times?  Never did get him, though.  Your generalization, even of the hardcore gamers (of which I am not) that replied, is pretty untrue and unfair o_O

Glad you admit that you're not a hardcore gamer.  Most elitists on this board would not admit that fact, when their record of MMO accomplishments is as non-existant as yours.  But my characterization is most definitely not unfair.  Just about every single elitist on this board is a MMO loser, who can't get into a good guild and has no MMO accomplishments worth noting.   It's so easy to spot.  How can you be an MMO elitist and simultaneous bash WoW for having to get gear and join a guild? 

Originally posted by voodoochile

Originally posted by Deioth
voodoochile, you took what I said completely out of proportion. 

 

I most certainly did not.  You listed the 3 biggest reasons of WoW's success as having to do with Blizzard's reputation before WoW.  It's an absurd notion that 8 million people knew or even cared who Blizzard was.  If it was the reason WoW was so popular, then you would have expected Diablo to have 8 million players too.

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Originally posted by Balmer
How shocking...a casual player whining about spending time to gain epic gear (at least it's in there this time, jackass). The raiders will spend a lot of time in the high level 25 mans while the rest of the 'casual's have to grind for faction to get something epic. boo freaking hoo
The author of this article is extremely biased. Time for MMORPG to get some new editors. In fact, I think I'll write the senior editors a little note since this is the third WoW article in a row that's been biased toward 'casuals'.

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You know, I am a very casual player, and I still have to agree with you. The point of a review is to be objective and explain what's going on in the game. Whining about the new factions is silly, as it should have been obvious they were going to exists, and I think there are even fewer factions in the Outland than Azeroth. Add to that the fact that they made reputation come faster, and that's just a case of bad journalism. He should know better, and he should be more professional.

Tell us what's going on; don't whine like a baby because you have to level up and get new faction in an expansion; that's what happens in expansions. Terrible writing, and terrible bias. I'm irked again by the reviews here.

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Originally posted by voodoochile

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Originally posted by Deioth
Elikal, the biggest reasons WoW is so popular:

1. The company. Blizzard is one of the elites in the industry. You can trust them to make fair, fun, and well designed games. From a game designer's standpoint, World of Warcraft is simply breathtaking.
2. It's Warcraft! How many copies of the series have been sold? Or just the first, and the second, and the third?
3. Battle.net. The vast amount of players of this free online network for Diablo, Warcraft, and Starcraft gave Blizzard many more followers and loyal gamers than had Bnet never existed. People who never play Warcraft online (and surely some who never played a warcraft game ever) knew they'd be getting a good and stable service in a Blizzard MMO.
4. It's casual safe. You don't need a team, ever, to get the best equipment and to enjoy the game, least of all have to grunge through a raid. Providing compotent and doable solo content broadened their available market.

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Is it your contention that the 8 million WoW players only play because they were huge fans of WC 1 and/or Diablo?
Sit down and think about it. Is this your contention?
All the casual players that play this game - girls and old people, housewives, etc. All those people only play because they know about Blizzard's reputation? They know all reputations of the numerous gaming development and publishing companies? Not only are these casual players exceptionall well-informed about the gaming industry, they are also champions of WC1 and Diablo.
Is that it? Is that what you're claiming?

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You are taking what he said and saying that he said something he didn't say.

(Yes I did that because it was fun for me.)

He never made that contention, but you said he did, and then made that contention sound stupid. Of course that's a terrible idea. No one would ever say that the 8million people that bought WoW played their other games, but I bet almost everyone who bought it back in the first November was already a Blizzard gamer. That's the only reason GW is so popular; they already had a fan base, because, in essence, they are the people who were once Blizzard, and now Blizzard is full of different people.

It would be stupid and wrong to say that all 8million people loved Blizzard before, but it would be just as stupid to claim that that isn't a factor in their popularity.

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Originally posted by Josher
Is it possible for ANY article written here about WOW, to NOT have this condescending, snide tone?

I was never a huge fan of Blizzard's former games and I was in early beta and bought WOW on day 1. Diablo was boring and I never could get into their style of RTS games for very long. Too much base building, micromanagement and zerging.

People do not just play a game because its made by a company they like. They might buy one, but they won't play it for months unless they like it. People only play games they find fun. The name has very little to do with it, especially when it comes to MMOGs and paying monthly fees. EQ2 shouldn't done just as well as EQ1. SWG would've sold 30 million. DDO would've sold waaaay more than WOW. Name only sparks interest. A quality game doesn't need anything other than word of mouth and WOW has that in spades. Amazing reviews from every single reputable source helps;)

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That's certainly true. I was so excited about DDO, but when I played the Beta, I was so disillusioned that I had to stop. I already had a preorder, so I went ahead and got it, and played it for a while, but it was just too terrible. I couldn't keep playing. It was very dissapointing for me to be unable to play a game set in a world where I have roleplayed for years.

I've been playing this game since October 2005 with on-and-off break periods.  In November 2006, my friends encouraged me to play again, so I reactivated my subscription.

I hit 60 on my Tauren Warrior two weeks before the expansion came out, and was shaking with excitement for it.  I hurried with any last minute things and quests, got my mining/blacksmithing to 300 each, and sat back waiting for the portal to open.

Midnight on the 16th, we went to GameStop and waited for the store to open.  Once the gates raised, we rushed in with hundreds of other people and grabbed our copies.  We rushed home hurriedly to install the game and jump into Outland.

Out of the 6 of us, 2 had corrupted CDs, and 1 other had 2 disk 1 CDs, so only half of us were able to install.  I was praying that I wouldn't get the corrupted error.  Pretty sad when you paid fourty bucks for something and you have to pray for it to work?

I logged on, and rushed through the portal, excited for any tasks ahead.  The minute I stepped into Hellfire, I was disappointed.  First off, something is very wrong with the current graphics engine in Outland.  I'm running my PC on a 7800GT, 1.5GB of RAM, and a 2.4GHz AMD processor.  In Azeroth, I was always getting 60FPS straight.  Even in 40-man raids.  But just from looking at the sky, it cut down to 32.  What the heck is this?!  I thought maybe it'd go away, so I kept playing.

I flew into Thrallmar and grabbed every quest available.  The bombing runs were really appealing and fun to me.  I was, however disappointed once again when I saw that the greens that I recieved from the quest easily replaced my Epic PVP set.  All the time I had spent getting that honor had just flown out the window!

After finishing basic quests, I was told to report to 4 different outposts, which all gave me about 4-6 quests.  OH BOY, A FULL QUEST LOG!  Hmm...where to start?  Oh!  Each quest has me walk ALL OVER THE ZONE!  Great!  So in 4 hours, I can finish 6-8 quests!  Oh boy, great job there, Blizzard!

7 hours later, I hit 61!  Finally!  Maybe I can leave this hellhole and go somewhere better!  WRONG!  More quests, more quests, and more quests!  They flooded my log until it was full, so I said SCREW THIS!  Cleared them all, and went on to Zangarmarsh.

SHROOMS!  BLUENESS!  Everything's blue!  And dark!  Wow, how creative.  I go to the neutral Cenarion town, and guess what:  MORE QUESTS!  TONS!  I couldn't take it any longer.  I was so bored and stressed with having to run everywhere, I just logged off and made a Blood Elf Mage, something I had been wanting to do for months.

OH BOY, THREE THOUSAND BEs!  Hundreds camping one quest mob, and you'll never get it unless you target-macro!  Great...

After 9 hours and finally hitting level 10 (something I could easily have done in an hour and a half), I uninstalled and cancelled my subscription.  I just can't stand another 10 levels of repetitive grinding and questing, the huge amount of carebears, the annoyingness of one race plaguing a server, and everyone screaming and whining.

Blizzard, IMO, failed with this expansion.  Now, I'm waiting for WHO or AoC, I'm sure after those are released, you'll start seeing this 2 year-old game's population drop by the double digits in percent.

For all who enjoy this steaming pile of horse manure, good luck with it!

Originally posted by Shijuki
@ spazztic2003:

It's amusing to see people think questing is the only way to gain xp, if you dont like quests, dont do them simple as that. Also, its your own fault for spending all that time getting the pvp set when we all knew that in BC greens will be better than lvl 60 epics.

Originally posted by Shijuki
@ spazztic2003:

It's amusing to see people think questing is the only way to gain xp, if you dont like quests, dont do them simple as that. Also, its your own fault for spending all that time getting the pvp set when we all knew that in BC greens will be better than lvl 60 epics.

Originally posted by coffee
I too hoped for more in TBC, im 62 now but will press on to 70 and see if things pick up, but right now it feels very GRINDY, intances are nice, but maybe a little too short.

On my server PVP horde and alliance are happy to quest next to each other, I hope this will change soon and make grinding a little more interesting.