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Hasani Davis gives MMORPG.com our first peek inside the new World of Warcraft expansion, The Burning Crusade.
Read the whole editorial here. Cheers, |
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1/19/07 5:28:12 PM#2
The beta of BC is what made me quit WoW. I want an expansion to... expand the game... not stretch it's already worn contents thin.
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1/19/07 5:36:25 PM#3
I too hoped for more in TBC, im 62 now but will press on to 70 and see if things pick up, but right now it feels very GRINDY, intances are nice, but maybe a little too short.
On my server PVP horde and alliance are happy to quest next to each other, I hope this will change soon and make grinding a little more interesting. |
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Rattrap
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1/19/07 6:05:29 PM#4
Great pre-review.
I really hope mmorpg.com gets a clue and start making this kind of glimpses into new released games,expanisons,even open betas more often! "Before this battle is over all the world will know that few...stood against many." - King Leonidas |
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1/19/07 6:37:07 PM#5
How shocking...a casual player whining about spending time to gain epic gear (at least it's in there this time, jackass). The raiders will spend a lot of time in the high level 25 mans while the rest of the 'casual's have to grind for faction to get something epic. boo freaking hoo The author of this article is extremely biased. Time for MMORPG to get some new editors. In fact, I think I'll write the senior editors a little note since this is the third WoW article in a row that's been biased toward 'casuals'.
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1/19/07 6:38:44 PM#6
I must say I am dissapointed from the new zone where you arrive in Outland - looks like a clone copy of Blasted Lands or Searing Gorge: boring. Only the sky looks really cool.
And the quests are the same, yes, but who expected different? The only thing I enjoy is the new starter areas, but how long will that last? Not sure if I should use my time card or not atm |
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1/19/07 7:24:07 PM#7
'Oh nos!! someone is not stating that WoW/TBC is the bestest ever, he/she is SO wrong, it HAS to be good!!!' *snort!!* 'Ahh.. give me more of that epicy Warcrack'.. Sorry for being rude, I'm not generally like that however the above posts are a tipically kneejerk reaction for any fanboi (or just general fan) for a game that gets a bad review. Sorry to brust the WoW bubble but whats been stated is 100% true TBC has made WoW a faction grind fest for the simle reason it's a way to keep players playing longer, don't get me wrong it's working so far, people are still playing WoW (I'm still dabbling with my hunter and new shammy) but what many of my friends and guildies have said about the general tone of TBC is the the content is casual... Basically they've been doing the 5 mans in about an hour (which is shorter then the orginal did in some cases) so I'm guessing the new 'casual' 25 mans will take what? 2/3 hours tops? With the reset times in play once your done the handful of instances whats left to do? Rep grinding for the faction items!!! So basically for the 'hardcore' types you've gone from '40 man raiding' grinding to 'Solo rep' grinding, Blizzard's endgame solution hasn't changed it's still 'grinding' just with a new skin. Another thing to point out most 'new' content isn't exclusive to TBC, the 'new' honer system is also avaible to the orginal owners, arenas are too, the new talents, 'outlands 'world pvp' is practally EPL (excluding the 'town' points which are currently no were near what the devs said it would be like), and as stated the quests and mobs are nothing new, it's the same dance just a different tune.. and with Blizzard adding content for 'classic' WoW in the near future, I wouldn't be surpised to find out that many players havn't got TBC at release, sorry but looking at it currently there is nothing in TBC that really would make a person look at it objectivly and say 'WoW! I gotta get me this it really improves the game!', sorry to be blunt but all people want TBC for is the shiny new epics at lvl70 so they can prance around IF/Ogg in them (come on you can't say people don't do that when you see people just sitting on their epic/rare mount outside any bank in the teir gear). Don't get me wrong TBC has done it's job it's kept players wanting to play WoW and brought a lot of the 'bored of 40 mans' back, however come 2-3 months down the line it's gonna hit the same problem, players are going to end up with a 'lack' of content and Blizzard will have to relase new instances to cater for it, as like with the orginal WoW there IS a ton of content in TBC however most of it is during the leveling process and with people rushing toward 'endgame' for the teir stuff they are missing techically the best part of WoW the 'leveling experence'. So basically to all those with TBC slow down and enjoy the view and to all those without it don't rush out and get it go and enjoy the orginal content you havn't expored and wait a few months that content in TBC isn't going to go anywhere in fact it's going to grow. TBC is a double egded sword for WoW for 'the masses' in the short term it's gonna keep them happy however due to the lack of innervation it's the final nail in the coffin for some players, it is just 'same old, same old'. WoW dosn't have that tight grip on the console style MMO market anymore and dispite the expantion it's starting to look old and 4-6 month down the line when fresh titles hit the market WoW will start to lose some of the playerbase the hoped to have kept with TBC. WoW isn't going to die, but it is starting to bleed. Bring on the WARRRRGGHH! |
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1/19/07 7:32:35 PM#8
I think it is really sad that Blizzard did not produce any new class in TBC, but what really made me unsubscribe was the extremely shitty elemental shaman treatment.
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1/19/07 8:13:08 PM#9
A biased review? That covers very little of the expansion it self. Centered around what the writer has evidently allways disliked about the game. With little information on whats contained there in. Like or dislike at least give a review that actualy details information. for example like the one here http://www.gamerswithjobs.com/node/29701 http://www.sararwa.com/articles/grammar.htm |
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1/19/07 9:29:54 PM#10
Interesting take on the expansion. Personally I am enjoying it even while I see exactly what he is talking about. The amount of quests is simply insane. Its very fun to feel like no matter what I am doing its helping one or even two quests. The new Draenei race starter zone is very cool. Yes, blood efls looks much cooler, but the Draenei zone is the most fun I have had in a starter zone. I am hoping that the 5 mans have a lot of people playing them later in the game. Diablo II was a lot of fun running the exact the same patterns again and again. I don't even know why. I still like Alterac Valley and even Arathi Basin. I am not sure about the arena because, quite frankly, I am just not a good enough player to like my odds. But if its not fun, this year there will be so many other options. It all started with a lantern, a sword, and a trap door... |
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1/19/07 9:57:07 PM#11
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1/19/07 10:11:18 PM#12
I had to laugh with this editorial almost from the beginning when the author said there were no server crashes. I wasnt able to play at 12:30 am that day but did get on around 6pm mountain time. No problem with the install except I had to disable a anti spyware/firewall to do the install. Now the thing that made me laugh that I mentioned was first thing I created a BE lock that i've been waiting to create. I'm on Bonechewer server and we were crashing over and over ALL night on tuesday. Did at least THREE restarts. Hard to turn in quests when there was NO npc's to turn them into! BE is very fun to play on horde side as they are more visually interesting to a lot of players(like myself) who like horde but hated the ugly old characters. The mana tap and torent abilities also will have a lot of interesting possiblities especially in the pvp part of the game. Another thing I noticed was 60% (roughly) of the new BE's were pally. Not really unexpected, but a bit disappointing horde players going FTW with that. After I created a played a few levels of my lock(between all the crashes) I switched over to my 60 pally and decided to check out Outland. I was diappointed in the first area. I found it very bare and boring. I also noticed on my pvp server same as the author of alliance and horde running quests next to each without attacking each other often. I think most are in such a hurry to rush to 70 that they dont care about the pvp element at the moment. I think this will change after people start hitting 70 and the ganking will start again. Honestly, i've barely played Outland because it's just so blah while i've been playing my lock and I also started a BE hunter. I also noticed like the author how the very 1st quests had better equipment than most 60's that have been running around the game for a while now. I'll be checking out Outland more probably over the weekend but am really having more fun playing the BE starting area. |
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1/19/07 11:57:26 PM#13
Haters, don't be mad that Blizzard took McQuaid's shitty vision and reshaped it into perfection. Just because you quit or you hate the game doesn't give you any right to throw it in anyones faces, thats called harassment because we who play WoW already told you - we don't give a fuck, so get off our forum and go watch your porn. Hasani, you need to go back to your homeworld of Kyoto where people will care about your biased lifestyle. Grinding in a game is what it is all about. If you rush the game than of course you'll get bored. I've played since release, not a single level 60, only my one main who is now nearing level 59. And guess what? I have Outland gear, and it woops your tier 3. As they said on the Palomides forums for DAoC - Cry More N00b. |
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1/20/07 12:08:16 AM#14
WoW is getting old. I can feel it in its bones...i was there the first day it launced years ago and ill never forget that experience. learning it all for the first time. it was the best video game experience of my life. Now 2 years later im just sick of looking at the same icons, same classes. BC added some new things but it otherwise remains exactly the same old game. and this being the first expansion in its two years running...its just not enough anymore. Vanguard beta has made it harder and harder for me to come back to WoW, and itll only be a few months b4 i probably stop playing it all together:(
good bye old friend |
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1/20/07 12:10:59 AM#15
I tend to agree with the author's thoughts on factions. Grinding levels 1-70 I can handle. Grinding 200+ hours on PvP I can handle. Doing the raid thing a few times for epic sets of gear I can handle. The one thing I can't handle though is factions, killing the group of creatures thousands upon thousands of times just to gain a few points in a specific faction.
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1/20/07 12:22:39 AM#16
I think you guys are alittle jaded. I'm having a blast with the expansion. But then I love doing quests. Most are kill quest but they are well done. And I never done a quest in a mmorpg like the bombing runs. (Would be out of place in other fantasy games but fits in WoW) One of my favorite quests is that you lead a shall we say horny lady off for a rendevous*. Her pet cat tags along. I got out my pet black tabby also. What happened next brought a big smile to my face. A lot of the graphics are just stunning. Can't really describe them but they are top notch. Nice sounds also. Whenever I hear the distinctive sound that a fel reaver (big mechanical roaming giant) makes I quickly turn to find it and run out of its way. It's a weird kind of moan that if you don't want to die brings fear. I've only done two instances so far. They were short and sweet. But the 2nd I did had a beholder looking boss that was cool as hell. I have no idea what kind longitivity* the expansion will have. But I have no idea where $50 could bring so much enjoyment. (Well maybe in certain 3rd world countries but...)
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1/20/07 12:36:02 AM#17
Jaded? Sorry but having to wait 2 years for the cash whore that is blizzard to release a crappy expansion that adds almost nothing to an already played out and crappy game tends to piss players off. Sorry but I just cant see dropping any more money on a game that has no future because of poor repetitive game mechanics and the best they could do was add 2 races and no new professions to a 2 year old game that most of us completed in less than 6 months.
Critical thinking is a desire to seek, patience to doubt, fondness to meditate, slowness to assert, readiness to consider, carefulness to dispose and set in order; and hatred for every kind of imposture. |
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1/20/07 1:03:55 AM#18
This editorial left out two major things in the expansion. Obviously the reviewer was to obssesed with reaching level 70 to even try them out. that would be the Blood Elves and the Draenai. Both offer beautiful new starting lands and increased powers over the original characters. It will be interesting to see what happens when these characters reach outland. There is much more to the expansion than just Outland. |
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1/20/07 3:19:01 AM#19
"One thing that has changed so far, it’s very funny to see the raider vs. non-raider fights break out. I play on a PvP server and the guilds who were notorious for having a large advantage because of their item power level are now constantly being assaulted by guilds that formerly where powerless against them. Because the gear is so strong in the expansion, players in green items can beat some of the old players in their epics. It leads me to wonder, even though it’s the same type of quests and same faction grind, it will be a lot of fun to see the new order of players rise as old guilds fall. I find this story more compelling than Illidan at the moment." Now THAT'S funny as heck. You have to wonder how elitist hardcore raiding guild like WoW designer Jeff Kaplan's Fires of Heaven (One of the few WoW guilds ever allowed a FREE transfer from a PvE to PvP server) are doing now that they don't have the crutch from all their MC, AQ and Naxx grinding. Maybe WoW actually has a chance of becoming a little more skill based - or at least offering a more even playing field and no longer catering to hardcore raiders. |
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1/20/07 3:44:19 AM#20
The 25 man raids at lvl 70 are still gonna cater to the "hardcore" players. Until than, things are abit equal but it's all gonna change and be just like the old way.
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1/20/07 4:25:19 AM#21
same'ol same'ol
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1/20/07 6:13:16 AM#22
Originally posted by Ugottawantit /agree...loving my Blood Elf SWG refuge...avoid $OE like the plague...forum Nazis, GAWD. |
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1/20/07 7:32:44 AM#23
For several years I've seen the potential of MMORPGs being fun, but though I tried all kinds of them from DAOC to Everquest to Wow to Ryzom, they all left me wanting more. Now finally !!! with Burning Crusade I got my dream come true!
I started by creating a dranae (or whatever they're called) and from the first minute I had the time of my life. The atmosphere, the story line, the quests. I just felt swallowed whole into an incredible story and world. I admit I am a casual player, maybe that's why it is easy for me to be overwhelmed by the fun I find myself having. Maybe those of you who are hardcore have forgotten to just enjoy a good story and a good time?
I don't understand all of you who complain. From installing to leveling I have had no complaints at all. To me this expansion is way better than wow original. I could go on and on, but I'll leave it at this. Good job Blizzard! and I am having so much fun!
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1/20/07 8:57:13 AM#24
Have fun with that Draeni in levels 20 - 60 of WoW original.
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1/20/07 3:06:02 PM#25
Originally posted by NineSpineAbsolutely right. When I first logged in to TBC that morning I went to Outlands and tried to do a few quests. After I realized the only reason to do this was to get better gear and level, I immediatly logged off. The next day I created a draenai, loved the new starter area got to about lvl 7 than realized, I'm gonna have to rehash Azeroth all over again, so I canceled my account. If anyone can really tell me what TBC offers different from the rest of the game, please do I"m willing to listen. Unfortunatly in my eyes it doesn't offer anything new cept 10 levels. |
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