Originally posted by Razorback

Negative opinions of the game are not invalid and have as much right to be posted as positive opinions. If you dont like negativity, go find a forum where only positive posts are allowed, then you can sit and smile till you cant smile no more.

Am I angry about VSoH and is that why I rated it low....

No I am dissapointed, thats why I used the word dissapointed and not the word angry.... pretty technical stuff I know.... but read slowly.... youll get it.

Negative commentary is not the same as HATING! There are things wrong with the game, no argument from me. Maybe its you who should slow down and read more carefully (and possibly try not to condescend). Here are some things that are invalid FYI :

-  "Reviews" of the game. We don't REVIEW Beta's. Mmmmmmk (pretty technical, but you'll get it mate)

-  The constant whining from people who want to play next-gen games on their 4 year old PCs and calling Sigil on it when it's absolutely unreasonable to have said expectation.

-  The constant raving of fanboi's from other games who just can't come to terms with the idea that some people might PREFER something different.

et al!

I'm not saying don't criticise the game, I'm saying reserve your final judgement until it is released and if you don't like it for whatever reason, then move on. It's one thing to voice an opinion, it's quite another to bitch and whine endlessly after your point has been made.

Originally posted by Sharkypal

Originally posted by Valorus

Originally posted by Razorback

If every problem was fixed 100%, if the framerate got above 5, if the uninspired world and gameplay got changed to something interesting, if the lifeless world was thoughtfully populated, if the mindless quests were improved dramatically and all other issues fixed tomorrow....

It still wouldnt be worth playing.

Saying "its a beta" to try and mask the underlying but overwhelming issue that is the fact that the game is just dull, boring and nothing even slightly new, is not going to change my opinion Im sorry.

Sigil had the opportunity to release a next gen MMO, they settled for a EQ2/WoW clone minus the content and polish.

Very very disapointing.

This is all your opionion and has no reality included to it other than what it is to you.  You speak as if your an authority, but you are sadly mistaken.

You hate for the game is summed up in your last 3 words.... very very disapointing.  To me this says your just angry it wasnt what you wanted it to be and now you'll not rest until you take it down!  Am I right?

 

Yep, here begins the annoying whining from the demographic who live to complain. There is a bunch of them in the SWG veterans forum. They haven't played the game (apparently for years in some cases) but they are there to bitch about it EVERY day. I have a few simple words of advice for the haters, move on! If you don't like Vanguard for whatever reason, just leave us in peace. A lot of the hating is from people who are angry it isn't a WoW clone, others think it is. Some think it is a carbon copy of EQ2. One of the funniest and most recurring comments is that games like EQ2 have "better" graphics. Upgrade time for those people! I play EQ2 (sub will lapse tomorrow) and they are not even on par.

To those who havent tried it yet, do not pay attention to these malcontents. There is only one way to decide whether Vanguard is for you and thats to play it yourself. Alot of what you will read in the forums is negative but generally thats because people who like the game are playing it and not here bitching. Vanguard is by no means perfect and it is STILL in Beta. You don't write reviews of games that are in Beta and you can't write a review of a game you've played for 10 minutes. I'll never understand why whiners and haters dont just move on to greener pastures. This inherent need to try and bring everyone around to their way of thinking is responsible for the death of at least one great MMO. Its pathetic!

PS : One of the major problems is that a lot of these people do no understand what "Beta test" means. They mistakenly believe it is a free trial of a fully working game. This is not the case. It is provided in order for the developers to identify and correct bugs, storyline problems et al. It is NOT a free trial, and it should not be being reviewed as such.

yes vanguard has problems... No fan bois will NEVER admit that... Look at Dark and Light. The same fan bois, the same constant abusive junk thrown in anyones face if they voiced any concern about the quality of the game, the same "Everythings perfect, you are just a hater, bwaaaaah, troll troll troll, this is great!!"

Come release... They silently sneak away and appear in the next game, being just as loyal, beig just as ignorant and abusive, pretending to be the companys most loyal costumer. Its just a stageshow! Ignore them.. Just ignore them. If they cant have an honest open discussin about a game BOTH pros and cons, then they are the same pile of wanderign fan bois you have met in all other games.. No, not a different group of peole.. EXACTLY the same guys. They dont stay...

I can promise you... 3 months from now? You will find these Oh so loyal fanatics of a game company they dont even know, talking about developers like they are the best of friends, in Age of Conan forums and beta.. or WAR forum... or any other forum but Vanguard. They dont give a crap about the success of the game.. (if they did, they would want to help improve it) They get thier kicks out of being loyal costumers...

Its kinda pathetic... But you learn to ignore them. They are of no use to anyone, not the community and surelly not to the game company.

Originally posted by Harafnir

yes vanguard has problems... No fan bois will NEVER admit that... Look at Dark and Light. The same fan bois, the same constant abusive junk thrown in anyones face if they voiced any concern about the quality of the game, the same "Everythings perfect, you are just a hater, bwaaaaah, troll troll troll, this is great!!"

Come release... They silently sneak away and appear in the next game, being just as loyal, beig just as ignorant and abusive, pretending to be the companys most loyal costumer. Its just a stageshow! Ignore them.. Just ignore them. If they cant have an honest open discussin about a game BOTH pros and cons, then they are the same pile of wanderign fan bois you have met in all other games.. No, not a different group of peole.. EXACTLY the same guys. They dont stay...

I can promise you... 3 months from now? You will find these Oh so loyal fanatics of a game company they dont even know, talking about developers like they are the best of friends, in Age of Conan forums and beta.. or WAR forum... or any other forum but Vanguard. They dont give a crap about the success of the game.. (if they did, they would want to help improve it) They get thier kicks out of being loyal costumers...

Its kinda pathetic... But you learn to ignore them. They are of no use to anyone, not the community and surelly not to the game company.

Vanguard has some problems, but it's still in BETA, so thats hardly surprising! Why are you still here BTW, you don't like the game, you think it's a failure. Awesome! All I see you do is try to point out that "Fanboi's" defend Vanguard while making silly assumptions about how long people play for (Seems a lot of you haters have psychic abilities, no doubt all failures from the "Heroes" lost audition tapes). What's really "pathetic" is how guys like you hang around, all the time naysaying and criticising people who like the game or see it for its merits as well as its flaws, while not accepting the fact that you really have no business here at all. If you don't like it, leave! Do you not even posess an ounce of common sense? Why would you want to have an open discussion about something you have no plans on playing and do nothing but criticise? Honestly, what's your IQ? 15? Go discuss something you actually have an interest in FFS, It's like kindergarten!

Oh BTW, I love your brilliant logic (Another MENSA candidate here). How are people who like the game an asset to it and the company you ask? The fact that you would even make such an idiotic statement speaks volumes.

kthxbye

I agree with the OP and most other naysaysers in this post Vanguard is really bad in most areas and then some..

The game is really bad, and whats with "It's a seamless world"..The seamless world only makes the World less interessting because they have to be real sparse with details..

I have tried to honestly play it, but now I will give up..

/Thark

I 've been following Vanguard for 1.5years and playing beta since beta 3 like 6 months ago...
- First i thought that i didnt like the game too much because of my pc configuration
- Invested some mony and made it run smooth 30 fps on Medium settings... it took me 1 week to drop it completely

What killed my apetite?
1. WoW feeling
2. Item Centric feeling . Brad said him self that they will make sure there will always be a better item that a player will want!
3. Boring fight animation
4. Stupid crafting- Click, Click, Click and you almost could watch TV in the mean time
5. Huge World - I love it! But will there be enough ppl to feel it alive or there will be used 20-30% and the rest will be a waist of time and resources?

For now I'll buy the game as I still have hopes that in 6-8 Months will get better and I also hope they will put up some Interesting PVP system. Otherwise it will remain a WOW raid fest...

My 2 cents,

  Its really not ready to be release imo. There are a bleep load of buggs

  Like the above poster said without some kind of end game pvp system its just another Item grind game like wow. more game companys should Copy Off OF Dark Age Of Camelot and stop with the wow crap-P    but thats just my opinion

Originally posted by Rodzilla

  Its really not ready to be release imo. There are a bleep load of buggs

  Like the above poster said without some kind of end game pvp system its just another Item grind game like wow. more game companys should Copy Off OF Dark Age Of Camelot and stop with the wow crap-P   but thats just my opion

Yes, MMOs are formulaic. Some of you act like this isn't the case but it is and will continue to be to some extent at least. Some people are more concerned about SOE's development involvement, how it compares to MMO x, ridiculous and unfounded predictions etc.

"Play or Play not, there is no whine!"

I agree with the OP on this one. I was in the closed beta last year for maybe a month to try all the classes, and the problem was it was so horrible that I ran out of new classes to try because almost EVERY one of them was broken, and/or just plain boring.

I gave it a month simply because it WAS IN BETA, and I gave it the benefit of the doubt. I quit then, and came back recently to find practically nothing changed. Some stuff has improved but overall it's crap.

I REALLY hate to say this, but for all those months while the guild Fires of Heaven was bashing Vanguard, I was denying it saying how great this game is going to be. Well....I should have listened to FoH when they told everyone it was the suck. It was then, and still is now. It really really was.

If you try to ignore the bad on the animations, character models, npc models, graphics in general, combat gameplay, extreme lag...and look for a bright side to this game. Well....news flash ..there isn't one.

All in all the game is so boring that I would rather chew on broken glass, swallow it and ask for seconds.

Originally posted by joejccva

I agree with the OP on this one. I was in the closed beta last year for maybe a month to try all the classes, and the problem was it was so horrible that I ran out of new classes to try because almost EVERY one of them was broken, and/or just plain boring.

I gave it a month simply because it WAS IN BETA, and I gave it the benefit of the doubt. I quit then, and came back recently to find practically nothing changed. Some stuff has improved but overall it's crap.

I REALLY hate to say this, but for all those months while the guild Fires of Heaven was bashing Vanguard, I was denying it saying how great this game is going to be. Well....I should have listened to FoH when they told everyone it was the suck. It was then, and still is now. It really really was.

If you try to ignore the bad on the animations, character models, npc models, graphics in general, combat gameplay, extreme lag...and look for a bright side to this game. Well....news flash ..there isn't one.

All in all the game is so boring that I would rather chew on broken glass, swallow it and ask for seconds.

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Originally posted by HashBrick

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Originally posted by Valorus

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Originally posted by Razorback

If every problem was fixed 100%, if the framerate got above 5, if the uninspired world and gameplay got changed to something interesting, if the lifeless world was thoughtfully populated, if the mindless quests were improved dramatically and all other issues fixed tomorrow....
It still wouldnt be worth playing.
Saying "its a beta" to try and mask the underlying but overwhelming issue that is the fact that the game is just dull, boring and nothing even slightly new, is not going to change my opinion Im sorry.
Sigil had the opportunity to release a next gen MMO, they settled for a EQ2/WoW clone minus the content and polish.
Very very disapointing.

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This is all your opionion and has no reality included to it other than what it is to you. You speak as if your an authority, but you are sadly mistaken.
You hate for the game is summed up in your last 3 words.... very very disapointing. To me this says your just angry it wasnt what you wanted it to be and now you'll not rest until you take it down! Am I right?

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Well it's funny how about almost all the posts on Vsohs lately are all negitive, I think it's more than an opionion, it's a fact of life. Sigil got lazy and after the SWG blow-out and tons of company faults/scams, players will no longer take that bullshit on a silver plater. A new mindset is set, veteran MMORPGers will be way more skeptical then ever before. I know I have, I used to buy ask questions later(of coarse this was when mmorpgs were rare and not a huge deal like now, with each new title bringing something new to the table), now it's following deep development, you can't trust any companies these days.

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It appears to me by your tag line at the end of your post that every game you have played you have had some sort of problem with. I didn't spend a ton of time reading it but I think every beta you played you have banned. Perhaps you just have unrealistic expectations.
But I for one am done with these types of threads. Like the game don't like the game - honestly I really don't care.

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Read my goddamn post and not my tag line, what the hell kind of logic is that? My post has the information you crave for not my sig. If you actually read my post you'd see why my sig is so full of "banned" games.

People have a right to dislike something, but they shouldn't be assholes to the people who think otherwise. All the (stupid) comments like "I'd rather eat glass than play Vanguard" need to stop. Get the Hell of this forum, stop critisizing other people's opinions regarding their favorite source of entertainment, and play what game you like to play. Okay?

Beta, ah what a lovely magikal word.

Some think Beta means free test ride of program.

Some think Beta a chance to help give honest feed back to the company.

Some have NO clue that there are many version of a beta test. each version of a beta test is focused on one aspect or another. Generally speaking (yes there are exceptions) an open beta or semi-open beta is NOT about testing the graphics, the game mechanics of combat or loot perse. Open betas are the time for a company to test things in the "wild," where the average joe(ette) with a computer setup to test how the game works for them, this is also a time to see how the servers react under a semi-real world load.

When any company releases an open beta of thier product they are NOT looking to make changes to teh foundation for the most part, but to see if what they have crafted works like they think it will in the "wild." Saying that oh this is just the beta and they will fix animations, content, interface is very very optimistic. The previous closed beta phases SHOULD have addressed those issues. This is the phase where when the tester report back man this game is laggy, it stutters on zoning, everytime i try to run the game i get a CTD, that the company has a chance to addressed those issues.

IF the critics are correct that this is the final beta and the only open phase before going gold and then retail then saying anythign non-perrformance will be fixed before launch is hopeful/wishful thinking. Post launch things like content and such can be addressed (though it should have been addressed before this point).

Originally posted by Hu1ven

People have a right to dislike something, but they shouldn't be assholes to the people who think otherwise. All the (stupid) comments like "I'd rather eat glass than play Vanguard" need to stop. Get the Hell of this forum, stop critisizing other people's opinions regarding their favorite source of entertainment, and play what game you like to play. Okay?

I tell you what.  For those that plan on spending your hard earned cash on this sad excuse for a MMO, how about I take a shit in a box, send it to you, and you pay me $10.00.  Every month I will take a fresh shit in a box and mail it to you for $2 for as long as you are a subscriber.

You will get a superior product, and it will save you some money. 

Originally posted by Moirae
Seems to be an epidemic with games recently. Ever since WoW came out, the game companies aren't listening to the players and are trying to copy WoW almost to a T.

Can I customize your shit once it arrives... maybe move it around with sliders?  Then will the shit have some corn or peanuts in it... I'm looking for content?  Hopefully I can play with your shit first... or does Mort have to tweak my boxcutter first?

Can Sigil mail the box of shit directly to me... or does it have to go to SOE for repackaging first?

Perhaps the name needs to be modified... Vanguard: Pile of Shit.

Originally posted by Manveru

 shit fucking bastard shitty fucking fucking doomed.

I trust you. No really.

On a lighter note, how in hades has this thread not been deleted with that language as the O.P.? lol