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12/20/06 7:55:44 PM#81
DnL did that and then some you shoulda seen their most recent stunt they charged us for subscribing even though we had left the game and cancelled. They switched all the members to their paid subscription plan on the sly after some kind of offer (which i never got because I had unsubscribed from the emails etc) and then charged me 9.99 for continuing my subscription after the fact. Needless to say myself and everyone else was pulled back after a very long and uneventful time playing other games to clean up that mess. They truly deserved the least fun category I never got to play for more then 2 mintues at the time and was running at or below 10 fps for most of the time. One of the few games I didn't last more then maybe an entire hour or possibly 2 tops combined gaming time over the space of a few months. Lord that game was bad .. stil is too and right now its running on fumes i think (not sure what is keeping it running actually it can't have more then 20 players max if that on its servers who are active) |
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12/21/06 7:30:21 AM#82
SWG rightfully earned the awards. I had the displeasure of trying games like DnL and DDO, but it didn't take much time at all to realize I had no interest in those games (for obviously stated reasons) and moved on. I was out some $$$$, but that is the gamble when trying new games. What really hurt was the time invested in SWG....for many others too, months of devloping a toon, gathering resources, acquiring special enhancements, and weapons just to have all our work uncerimoniously 'dismissed' with disastrous and unwanted game overhauls. This is not even mentioning some of the other 'stunts' pulled by $OE. There has been very little to fall back onto as far as available MMORPGs at this time. I have to agree - 2006 has been most unkind in that regard.
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12/21/06 8:05:01 AM#83
However, these games must suck something fierce to elicit such venemous responses. The hatred runs DEEP. These companies never learned after their 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th.....(you get the picture), 14th, 15th.........screwups. As a matter of fact they are still screwing people over most likely as I type this. Somewhere right now a "high-and-mighty", pimple-faced, pencil-necked moderator is censoring the truth on the suckboards. |
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12/21/06 8:11:49 AM#84
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12/21/06 2:44:29 PM#85
My brother and I used to play SWG and no the graphics were never stellar but it was a fun game. Preordered Mustafar and then here comes the NGE. We dropped it like a rock, but have recently come back. How and why after we got burned?. We have to play it with a mod so that it looks and plays like it did back in the day. We're actually have fun again but looking back I have to ask myself why would Sony completely change the game to crap without notice? I think it was too close to the code of WoW and they knew a lawsuit was coming. Also you have something that works, why put it in the crapper? I think SOE is just tired of SWG and star wars fans like myself. SWG has become a thorn in SOE's side and I think they want to see it die. I love star wars and they vast worlds SWG has and the people who still play. I hate SOE and the "we won't admit mistakes" attitude. |
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12/21/06 5:16:33 PM#86
Try reading, I wasn't. It's Established FACT. The VAST majority of people who have played SWG this last year have overwhelmingly said it bites, so it's a FACT that it won these awards fair & square. There are a samll amount of people that insist the world is flat, and it's thier right to think what they like, but that's doesn't mean they're right. Obi, don't worry about sailing off the edge... People's opinions of something make it a FACT? Goddamn... you are retarded. SWG is still very much alive and kicking. It's sad individuals like you who quit over a year ago who still whine and complain about a game they aren't even current with. The term "ignorant" comes to mind. As for the graphics in SWG... if you actually have a nice rig (and you know how to maximize your graphics settings, anti-aliasing and anisotropic filtering) the graphics engine is beautiful to look at especially considering it's age. Looks way better than any other MMO I've ever tried by far. |
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12/22/06 3:09:58 AM#87
People's opinions of something make it a FACT? Goddamn... you are retarded. SWG is still very much alive and kicking. It's sad individuals like you who quit over a year ago who still whine and complain about a game they aren't even current with. The term "ignorant" comes to mind. As for the graphics in SWG... if you actually have a nice rig (and you know how to maximize your graphics settings, anti-aliasing and anisotropic filtering) the graphics engine is beautiful to look at especially considering it's age. Looks way better than any other MMO I've ever tried by far. You my friend are the one thats wrong, i have a nice rig and the graphics are choppy. You are also wrong in where your stating that SWG is alive and kicking, the only thing thats alive is the NGE, and thats b/c SOE wont kill it. The game is dead, ive seen it first hand by logging in. Your server may have a good amount of people on it, and it may seem like its alive and kicking, but its far from that. Pretty soon your server is going to die, and you will have nobody to play with, when that happens you can go thank SOE yourself. And dont worry, i wont say i told you so either. Just a friendly reminder, make sure you have some vasoline around, so when SOE screws you over, it wont hurt as much as it did us.
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12/22/06 7:59:31 AM#88
It's really sad what happend to SWG. If they would only work on the bugs, adding new stuff and buffing the game along the way... I'm sure it would only gain more subs. All those new MMO players that staretd with WoW... 50% of them is boared and they want something deeper. And right now it's eather EVE or... Damn. Just EVE I guess. And if you are not sucker for spaceships, well boohoo! SOE will burn in hell... Oh yes. They will Every time I read your post, I die a little inside...
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12/22/06 9:01:31 AM#89
People's opinions of something make it a FACT? Goddamn... you are retarded. SWG is still very much alive and kicking. It's sad individuals like you who quit over a year ago who still whine and complain about a game they aren't even current with. The term "ignorant" comes to mind. As for the graphics in SWG... if you actually have a nice rig (and you know how to maximize your graphics settings, anti-aliasing and anisotropic filtering) the graphics engine is beautiful to look at especially considering it's age. Looks way better than any other MMO I've ever tried by far. How ignorant are you? I've played this year several times, but you make up things trying to be an all-knowing JA. Well, congratulations! You've proved your ignorance!!! GOOD FOR YOU!!! Let's see, first off it's not opinion when the President of the company agrees people have voted with thier feet and they hope to IMPROVE the game to win them back. That makes it an established FACT that most players & THE PRESIDENT of SOE agree the game bites now, and deserves it's inclusion in these awards. Since you're obviously ignorant yourself, here's the definition: ig·no·rant –adjective
Now, since I and everyone who voted the way they did about SWG & SOE have quite a bit of experience with SWG NGE, that makes you ignorant for suggesting we are. Get a clue before you mouth off Mr.Know-It-All.
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!! In fact, forget the SWG!!!!
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Wumi
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Joined: 2/23/06
"The most important You can ever learn is to realize how little You actually know" |
12/22/06 12:24:48 PM#90
I'll have to find my spot in the crowd against SOE and fully agree to all the hate and approve the MMOWTF-awards they "won". I'm an old preCU gamer from Bloodfin myself and had never ever spent as much time and money on a game before i fell in love with SWG. The difference with SWG and the other mentioned games in this MMOWTF poll is that SWG was a great game that got ruined and the other kinda.. sucked right from the start. Couldnt help but wonder why the author of this poll didnt mention SWG in any of his personal votes himself.. being a MMORPG expert and all..... anyways! A few questions still remains to this obvious poll, to most of the participating here it was no news that SOE/SWG would win, but what will happen next? Will SOE get an official award? Will MMORPG just hide this in their news forum and call it at that? If so then this poll/award is kinda worthless... cuz then it will be no different from any poll allready made like 100 times in any SWG related forum. Well except for the official SWG forums cuz there any little hint of negativity against SWG/SOE will be deleted right away. Even longtime faithfull players saying goodbye-posts are deleted. I see all the whiners about us still crying our bleeding heart out for old SWG but to you, I can only say that its only cuz u didnt expirience what we did. Or else you would be right here with us. SWG was by far the greatest mmorpg ever made so far. We settle with WoW (or CoH/CoV or even Ryzom) for the lack of better. But they are all these years later still not even close to the vastness of SWG preCU. No community isnt close to what we saw in SWG. It was a 110% virtual life across borders, across nations. Sitting on Teamspeak with players from Singapore, Australia, US, Europe, while buffing up for a PvP raid preparing to head out and fight the evil empire...well you get the point. We lived the saga! Yet "it's just a game"......*sigh* Wumi Space - Bloodfin preCU Wumi - SWG - Bloodfin - Cancelled |
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haxxjoo
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Joined: 5/11/05
You have destroyed your forums with stupid censorship and I no longer view your opinions as unbiast. |
12/23/06 8:12:59 AM#91
A couple points. The almost condesending attitude about your own customers voting star wars galaxies to suck is a dangerous game you are playing with your business. I didn't appreciate this site trying to imply those who voted swg did so because of any other reason then the game deserves the awards because even unbiast opinion of swg is that NGE is a very poor game. I saw a lot of people vote in that award who are not regular posters in the swg area yet you choose to lump all the posters together. Why did you include your winners vs. the actual winners? This makes no sense to me as a reader of this site. Are you saying your readership is to ignorant or biast to vote and select the appropriate winner? If the purpose of the award was to post this sites editorial choice for MMOWTF I could understand having your winners in the article but I thought this was a subscribers choice award. This made the results very confusing. I'd just like to dispute your having done actual harm to the franchise with swg. Normally, prior to the NGE I still was buying star wars dvd's and probably would have bought Star Wars battlegrounds rts. I personally cannot stomach anything star wars right now. I cringe at the content on the shelves and have very high doubts that its worth my dollar anymore. I haven't picked up the orginal movies which I would have. I own 3 box set vcr's of star wars and dont have the dvds or a vcr. I own EP 1 and 2 on dvd. Notice how I never bought EP 3? I am permanently damaged as a star wars consumer. My video game consumer identity was totally saved by the very fun guild wars games but star wars needs to do something for me to because alot of the genre recently has been nothing but money grabs and I am personally sick of it. I don't think I am the only star wars fan feeling fairly po'd about star wars as a whole lately and star wars galaxies NGE fiasco was the last straw for me. NP Cube as worst developer? I dont even know who NP Cube is so how could they have such an impact on small developers when alot of people dont even know who the hell they are or what titles they own? It's my opinion this sites editorial staff is becoming very defensive about SOE. I don't know why and I have my suspicions its monatery in nature but I see alot of defending or excusing of SOE going on. I dont understand why you'd defend these goons and hacks. Finally "It is more fun then picking flees off of a Wookie or potty-training an ewok?" Please take out "IT" or change it from a question to a statement. I am by no means perfect in my posting grammer or punctionation so I don't get all high and mighty about it but this needs to be corrected because it is confusing and could cause a reader to view it as a statement. Otherwise it was a good article and brings a very valid discussion up. |
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12/23/06 7:55:54 PM#92
Originally posted by haxxjooI think I am probably well qualified to answer this because I know EXACTLY where he is coming from. I played swg since Beta and there has only been 2 MMOs I have played since Dec of 2005. One of them happened to be Dark and Light by NP Cube. As much as I loathe SOE and Sony as a whole I was torn on how to split my votes between Dark and Light and SWG. A little about NP Cube.... They were a small team that promised the moon and delivered us a landfill. Of all the aspects they had been touting for years 5% of the game was there and even that didn't work. Some people were unable to even log in for months. Those of us who did log in crashed so many times that it screwed peoples computers. Then the company said that the problems were our fault or even used the ambigious excuse that "hackers" had invaded their site. For every 100 support tickets that went in, maybe 1 was answered and that was usually something easy. The biggest thing was when thousands cancelled in Dec 05-Jan 06. Those people haven't played for a year and almost all of them just last month were out of the blue charged (some for the entire game) a monthly subscription fee through a third party Payment system. The reason that the writer also put in his own choices (Dark and Light) was that he had to test that crap and was affected by the same things we most likely were. I can certaintly tell you that if I had been in his place I would have done exactly the same thing. It is a testament to how really bad that game is that it was even mentioned because the following was relatively small. I never felt that he was covering for SOE and I can tell you I abhore swg as much as anyone here. I even sold my Sony TV (and bought a DLP) to get rid of all Sony products. 
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12/23/06 8:31:03 PM#93
Ok, first some background on me. I HAVE played CU/Pre-NGE, and i HAVE played NGE for SWG. I played CU/Pre-NGE for about six months. I am a Star Wars fan, and i was happy with CU. I was happy with CU because of the customization of your character, and it was not PvP-baised game, which i was ok with, wish there was a bigger focus on the PvP, but not a major turn-off. Then NGE hit, It destroyed the customization of the character. It destoryed my months of trying to eventualy become a jedi, when i could become a jedi instantly, with no effort whatsoever. I will stop with the rant so i can continue.
I believe that SOE/SWG deserves all of these awards(excluding graphics, cause after NGE lag was less of a problem and i could run my game higher with my 7800 without risk of the studder walk.) This game has crashed so fast after NGE it was amazing. Questing was the game, no longer going out hunting with a group. I canceled my account after the BH/Jedi enhancments, not wanting to pay for a incomplet game. This is why SOE/SWG deserves these awards. They made a huge mistake that hurt there numbers. Most of my guild that i was in left SWG after NGE hit, and we where a guild of 40-50 accounts strong. Now if you want to argue with me, please reply to this, and give me good pointers, not NGE ROCKS AND YOU SUCKZOR. If you think NGE was a improvement please tell me why? and if you did not play pre-NGE, im sorry, you missed a great game. |
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12/24/06 7:19:02 PM#94
swg should have won all catagories. soe/la should never work together again. the devs should have nge in red stitched to thier shirts.
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Kyleran
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Joined: 9/13/06
A simple truth-"What people want and what is good for an mmo is not always the same thing"-mrw0lf |
12/25/06 7:29:59 AM#95
Good morning and Merry Christmas......
I never played DnL or SWG.... sort of wish I had just so I could slam them.... ah well...maybe not. But I did (and currently do) play DAOC and wanted to take one issue with it being rated here. While its true that most of the servers have become ghosts of their former selves, Mythic did what SOE continues not to do... they created Classic Servers which don't include the hated TOA changes. I play on Classic now, and I can't tell the difference from the old days.... the cluster is full and the pvp is as good (ok, its actually better) as it ever has been. So DAOC should have at least gotten props for trying to shore the game up. I'm sure they'll continue to cluster more servers to help players out (perhaps they could accelerate this process) and we'll always have some people to fight. (at least until WH comes out) "Just because you aren't paying doesn't mean it's not PTW." - Amaranthar |
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12/26/06 4:43:05 AM#96
Was MxO on the list at all? IMO MxO will allways have the BEST combat of any MMO but content wise it's severly lacking. :(
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12/27/06 2:44:24 PM#97
Originally posted by Obraik
You just can't handle the truth of the matter.... others can. The sad part is that your far from the majority in this case. SOE deserves this, they earned it... this was (more) proof that the product was a failure as the NGE... plain and simple. I'm sorry that your in it Obriak, in alot of ways I feel sorry for whom is left playing and paying for SWG actually. SOE should be paying you guys, not the other way around. ______________________________ |
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12/27/06 3:01:47 PM#98
Originally posted by Amathe It's been known for quite awhile that the screenshots were photoshopped by Blacsac and Farlan. Read through the DnL forums and you'll find it eventually. |
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12/27/06 3:05:29 PM#99
Originally posted by Zeta-Gouki Time out-- I was cool with this until I read that flat out lie. Listen, the term "Alive and kicking is utter bullshit".... do not try that here. People are just not this stupid. I mean really man, at least say somthing more personal... like "I like the game because I like to be alone in a MMO" vs "alive and kicking" .... SWG has 1/10 of the people it did if that... not only that most cities and planets are ghost towns... it's sad... NOE then, SOE has sent me personally TWICE since November two trials of 21 days at a time. Guess what? Yep my 500 man, and 250 man friends lists are still empty and the server is nothing or even close to what it was before. SWG graphics are not bad... BUT looks only last a few seconds... and then are now overshadowed byt the "CLUNK" noise I hear when trying to get on the Bike or any vehicle. Complaining about a PRODUCT that was a failure is not somthing "ignorant" what is though is someone that allows themselves to pay for a product that is known as a failure and mistake. If SOE was a car company we all would have been dead by now.... But that alive and kicking line... Oh boy -- that was a good one....lol ______________________________ |
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12/27/06 4:56:31 PM#100
Originally posted by Obraik
I loved SWG in beta and played all the way until NGE (well with a 1 year break in between) and even if they brought back pre-CU servers I don't think you could bring the game back to life. $OE has such a bad rep with respect to how they treat their customer base. Remember the great customer service team?
$OE take SWG off life support.
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