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Originally posted by mindmeld
Im surprised DARK AND LIGHT didnt get any more hate than it did.

The devs still owe me money for the month i paid without even getting into the game.
I pretty much gave up after the 6th letter i sent them..

I managed at least to cancel the subscription .

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Good results as far as I can tell.  Will have to agree with another poster that stated its good to see DNL get the award it deserves.

I agree fully with Dans personal picks. Voted all DNL except for IP. Since I never played SWG (yes! due to the publicity) I cannot say anything about it. The hate is overwhelming for that game -- almost as much as mine for DNL.

Lets all hope however that these awards will make the next batch of "screw you players" type of devs will think twice.

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Originally posted by tillamook

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Originally posted by jwshaw88

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Originally posted by tillamook

Nope, it was SOE. It's their game. LEC only promotes it. Do you think Lucas films deals with defective Hasbro Star Wars toys? They don't. But they do spend some of their own advertising dollars to promote the products based on their IP.

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No, I don't think they deal with defective toys, but if they decide that the Chewbaca action figure looks better in a pink dress with a red basket, it's their right to change it.  The community that loves star wars so much and buys these toys for their kids would be in an outrage, Chewbaca is a wookie, a tough creature of sheer power, he doesn't belong in a dress, we won't buy this crap.  LEC responds, we don't care, we like the cuter and more cuddly Chewy, he stays.  Their toy sales go into the dumper, people toss out their old toys, no longer needing upgraded blasters and utility belts and Millenium Falcon toys to go with their Chewy.  Sales are down, the community is mad, no one subscribes to Star Wars action figure collecting any more.  This is what happened to SWG in a nut shell, I can't think that SOE would honestly make this change, take a huge hit on their game and not at least use their learnings and drift back to some semblance of the old ways.  I am just saying it seems like SOE probably doesn't take as much fault as one would think.  Take for example Vanguard, the agreement between Sigil and SOE is that Sigil maintains IP rights, SOE puts their label on the box and runs the servers, more or less.  If Sigil makes a change, folks might be quick to dump that change on SOE, but it may in fact be Sigil that did it and due to their agreement, SOE can not "blame" the bed fellow they publish the game with.  This is of course just food for thought because the fact remains that someone flew the death star over the SWG universe and blasted it.  The good news is, even though a million voices cried out in pain, they were not silenced.

PS.  The game as it stands now seems that it needs a title change to "Star Wars: Battlefront Online" because it sure plays like battlefront and not like any other MMO.  I guess that's where my suspicions lie with the game changes.....

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There was a reason SOE took the chance. They were never at risk of losing the licensing for the current SWG, they were betting on getting the development licensing for the second SW MMO, now in development by another unnamed company. The NGE failed to impress the players or LEC. LEC tried to promote it on TV but it was no good, the game was still the buggy POS it always has been, even worse. LEC has now taken a step back from most of their connection with SWG by shoving people off their boards who complain about it and sending them to SOE. SOE has stated it was totally their idea many many times and that some really smart guys had an idea and took a chance. It failed and now they admit it (see the most recent dev rant) They honestly thought they could turn the game around. Sure they knew it would make some people mad but ultimately they thought people would return to play it and realize it was better than ever. They moved fast because the bids were in and the game development needed to be started very soon to launch in conjunction with the new TV series in the works by Lucas Films. Major development of the new SW MMO title started late December of last year. The game is supposed to launch Q4 of 07, 2 years in development sped up by the acquisition of a game engine that has most of the development bells and whistles built in such as billing, customer service, ect.  I assume by Q2 of 07 you will hear who it is who is building it.

 

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Originally posted by fansede

No surpirse - The members have no love for SWG. When it first came out I had no qualms with it, as everyone else.

I had no idea it was loathed that much though..

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I find it interesting that the Dark and Light graphics are said to be crap, yet there is still a stickied post in the mmorpg.com forums showing these shots:

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/thread/21867

Either those shots are fake, or the article is wrong on that point. Not having played the game, someone tell me which is it?

I love the MMOWTF Awards this is the best topic ever written by an editor, excellent job.

I knew SWG's demise would one day happen but I had no clue it would take this long. I beta tested the original SWG and played for 2 to 3 months after release when I realized SOE was ruining this title faster than Rosie O'Donnell can eat a hamburger.

I just simply didn't think it would take people so long to figure this out. I quit for good when I left then and as I see that the majority hates SOE and their Frankenstein creation known as SWG here, my question would be why is SWG still going?

DnL I never tried but followed the news on it for a while until I figured out that game wasn't even worth trying.

Anyways great topic look forward to more MMOWTF Awards and I hope some of these companies, (i.e. SOE), have read the awards list and responses.