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Originally posted by Beatnik59

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Originally posted by LordSlater

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Originally posted by Kurir

I regretfully like Eve, though I don't really play it anymore, the game has become to rife with ganking/griefing/scammers/liars/asshats etc... choose your own description. I love the ideas presented and the viable avatar has been something the community has been asking for quite a while. I don't agree with the segment that wants to use them for FPS action.

The one thing that would bring me back full time, would be to create a separate server to allow those of us that just want to enjoy the game without the afore mentioned baboons. If PvP is your thing then have at it but don't expect everyone else to share your view. I will eventually allow my "subscriptions" to lapse since the game lost the fun factor long ago and I am merely hanging on for old time sake.

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Guess what EvE is a PvP game be it in combat or PvP in the markets.

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I really don't know what a PvP game is anymore.  The line between what is and is not PvP has been blurred into incoherence over the years, especially in CCP's mind.  To say that I can go for entire months on end without encountering anything that resembles a human being, and saying its PvP, is a bit absurd unless you take a very broad view of what PvP may be.

However, I do know what a ganking, griefing, scamming, lying, and asshattery game is.  If that is what a PvP game is, or needs to include, then EVE shouldn't be a PvP game.  In fact, I'd say that if a PvP game includes ganking, griefing, scamming, lying, and asshattery, then EVE is, in fact, not a PvP game, simply because there are a lot of good qualities still in it (but maybe not for long) to warrant consideration.

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I don't know where in the EVE universe you are, but ships are all over the place.  Unless your way out in 0.0 space where no one has claimed yet, or just play at way off peak hours.  Most locals in Min space has anywhere from 2-3 to over 100+.

EVE is one of the most PVP games I have seen in all my MMO's/years playing.  They kind of encourage infiltrating and spying on other corps for gain.  You go to most .5 and below area's and you can always find corps in a war.  And someone is always trying to get an upper hand by spying, or buying info to do that.  Hostile takeovers of Corps is allowed, and such.

Ganking, Greifing, Scamming, Lying, are ALL in EVE.  Been many nights in a small gang doing some mining when some pirate (player not rat), comes in either trying to steal from us or trying to blow up our mining ships.

Now on to the article...

I like the fact they are going to put in Avatars.  Now when the RP part of the Alliance takes place we can do it normally.  Adding Bars and such to stations would be cool.

FINALLY a corp that listens to the gamers asking for Linux and MAC clients.... I mean, come on all you others, intel now has a chip in a MAC, lets get moving.  There are a lot of gamers out there that want's Linux and MAC clients so they don't have to have 3 computers sitting around them.

Voice - Another item on the list of gamers so they don't have to have a another server sitting somewhere and worry about keeping it going.  I for one keep a Vent server running for my corp.  This is a nice added item to gamers all over.

Corp logo - Not a bad idea, nice first step into the having your ship painted.  Thats one thing that bugs me about most MMO's you can just look at someone and tell what race/class they are just by looking at them, and even in EVE, you look at a ship and can tell if it is tech 1, 2 or tech 3, etc.  Nice to be able to paint your ship whatever color and someone not able to tell what you are just by a look.

Nice to see that sometimes a gameing corp actually listens to it's gamers.  They may not be the biggest kids on the block, but at least they are in a class of their own.

$10 a year for the voice is dirt cheap, like 87 cents a month, I spend more than that on my lunches some days. Hell even if it was $2 a month it would be reasonable.

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Originally posted by Minsc
$10 a year for the voice is dirt cheap, like 87 cents a month, I spend more than that on my lunches some days. Hell even if it was $2 a month it would be reasonable.

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Agreed. It's a very nominal fee for the feature it adds.

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Originally posted by Minsc
$10 a year for the voice is dirt cheap, like 87 cents a month, I spend more than that on my lunches some days. Hell even if it was $2 a month it would be reasonable.

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I'm not sure if I made it clear in the articles (I think I did), but one reason for the fee (other than bandwitdh) is to give people who do not like voice in games a good excuse not to use it

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Originally posted by Guler

If there is one critism I have to the game is that there is no way for new players to catch up with Vets. Also the learning skills are a pain, why should a new player need to spend their first 6 months of the game optimizing their next few years of playing.

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Terrible misconception. 

Time spent learning skills only impacts diversity in options when fitting ships.  While there are certain skills which provide an "advantage", these skills are readily accessible to new players early on in EVE.

Just because someone has 20million skill points does not mean they are capable of utilizing them all during combat.  Focusing and streamling character skill development will ensure that less then 3m-5m (3-5 months) skill points will make you as capable as the "veteran" in anything you could fly.

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Originally posted by mindspat

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Originally posted by Guler

If there is one critism I have to the game is that there is no way for new players to catch up with Vets. Also the learning skills are a pain, why should a new player need to spend their first 6 months of the game optimizing their next few years of playing.

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Terrible misconception. 

Time spent learning skills only impacts diversity in options when fitting ships.  While there are certain skills which provide an "advantage", these skills are readily accessible to new players early on in EVE.

Just because someone has 20million skill points does mean they are capable of utilizing them all during combat.  Focusing and streamling character skill development will ensure that less then 3m skill points will make you as capable as the "veteran" in anything you could fly.

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I'd recommend you move this part of this thread to the EVE forum.  Or hey, maybe you 2 could just post in one of the half dozen flamefests about this very topic.

To the original topic, all I have to say is, "Yay."  I am stoked about the direction EVE is headed for sure!

Oh man!!  I might just start playing this game again(tried the trial, Kind liked it, But didn't have the time), Crap  I wish SOE would be more like CCP hehe.

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Originally posted by mindspat

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Originally posted by Guler

If there is one critism I have to the game is that there is no way for new players to catch up with Vets. Also the learning skills are a pain, why should a new player need to spend their first 6 months of the game optimizing their next few years of playing.

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Terrible misconception. 

Time spent learning skills only impacts diversity in options when fitting ships.  While there are certain skills which provide an "advantage", these skills are readily accessible to new players early on in EVE.

Just because someone has 20million skill points does not mean they are capable of utilizing them all during combat.  Focusing and streamling character skill development will ensure that less then 3m-5m (3-5 months) skill points will make you as capable as the "veteran" in anything you could fly.

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Yes this is terribly common misconception.

I had 2 million skill points when I became viable in pvp....skill points just allows you to utilize yourself further...like by allowing you to fly different kinds of ships and fitting different types of equipment on them. In group fights actually not even half the pvpers use the largest gunboats but rather frigates and cruisers....and 95% of fights in eve is alliance vs alliance with hundred(s) involved.

Originally posted by Guler

If there is one critism I have to the game is that there is no way for new players to catch up with Vets. Also the learning skills are a pain, why should a new player need to spend their first 6 months of the game optimizing their next few years of playing.

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I think he is actually talking about the "Learning Skills".  Dont spend 6 months doing learning skills then.  I do one here and there, and my ship and skills are just fine.  Learning skills are dull.

I am glad there is a linux and mac client in the works, now I can get rid of windows finally.  Games are the only thing keeping me in Windows, and now that they are getting away from MS only clients, I can make the switch!

Great screenshots, cant wait until the new patch hits!

    

     When i first played this game i thought it was the greatest thing that had ever been come up with,

 from the looks of things to come. In another ten years i will be saying that again.Alas Ive become sceptical

 of such promising endeavors and in no way expect this to all happen very soon.

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Originally posted by Lepidus
We never did get a press kit (or at least I didn't) for screenshots.

...and there has been a horrible sequence events that leads to all my photos being locked in the camera.

Oddly, EVE is just about the worst company for having screenshots online, so for now, we're stuck with the same 10 images in each article

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In case you still haven't got it, mail pann at ccpgames.com and ask for the press/media kit. By some strange reason they had the media kit password protected.

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Originally posted by LordSlater

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Originally posted by Kurir

I regretfully like Eve, though I don't really play it anymore, the game has become to rife with ganking/griefing/scammers/liars/asshats etc... choose your own description. I love the ideas presented and the viable avatar has been something the community has been asking for quite a while. I don't agree with the segment that wants to use them for FPS action.

The one thing that would bring me back full time, would be to create a separate server to allow those of us that just want to enjoy the game without the afore mentioned baboons. If PvP is your thing then have at it but don't expect everyone else to share your view. I will eventually allow my "subscriptions" to lapse since the game lost the fun factor long ago and I am merely hanging on for old time sake.

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Guess what EvE is a PvP game be it in combat or PvP in the markets.

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I think this is the beauty of eve-online. The freedom to do as you please. A real lawless space universe. However, you usually don't get scammed or ganked beyond repair unless you are extreamly dumb and bad with your money. I like that CCP doesn't mind Scamming in the game. This is why you don't trust others with your money (Just like real life) you won't want to hand billions of dollars to some shadey bank dealer in real life, so why would you do it in eve? If you have alot of money and items on you that you can't afford to replace and no friends with you, why would you go to the ghetto knowing you could get it all jacked? You don't. This common sence street knowledge applies to EVE Online as well. It's called being smart and using your brain. You gotta try it sometime.