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  Dana

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OP  10/31/06 5:41:01 PM#1

EI Interactive's troubles continue. A report was filed on August 24th, 2006 and sent to EI Interactive and previous owners Tulga Games that chronicled all the ways their client was vulnerable to outside intruders, a source within the original development team confirms. They also notified MMORPG.com of this report.

After a 60 day moritorium without action, the report was released online today. EI Interactive then took their game servers offline and replaced the login screen with an new version as seen here. Since then, their servers have been up and down. It is unclear whether the vulnerabilities still exist based on today's action.

Horizons uses a SOAP API to interchange data/commands between the Application Server and several Clients. The API doesn't verify the source which does trigger functions, which opens up multiple abuse possibilities.

A vulnerability has been discovered in the Horizons SOAP API that allows an attacker to modify account and character information such as:

- change payment and subscription information
- create bogus/non-charged/unverified billings
- rename characters
- retrieve sensitive server/shard information
- activate/ban the account
- change account status like trial,
- add promotions (free, military, other promotions etc.)
- change/add keys

You can read the full report here.

Dana Massey
Formerly of MMORPG.com
Currently Lead Designer for Bit Trap Studios

  Shadrak

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10/31/06 5:51:58 PM#2

Thank you very much.

  User Deleted
10/31/06 6:01:48 PM#3

It just gets better and better.::::07::

  scaramoosh

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10/31/06 7:14:45 PM#4
Anyone who plays this game is stupid anyways.

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  martinj63

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10/31/06 8:00:34 PM#5

And they are now just addressing these.  Myself and quite a few others have known about these security issues since beta , we all logged multiple letters and bug reports and David Bowman yes the same Criminal  some tards dare to defend looked the other way. He wouldn't do anything about them because he couldn't do anything. His team simply lacked the skills to fix the issues.

Bowman should not be trusted to man a McDonalds French Fry vat much less a MMORPG.  I truly hope the criminal indictments start soon.

 

  Liddokun

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10/31/06 8:39:46 PM#6
According to some reports... this guy David Bowman was fired from Turbine for trying to climb the corporate ladder... then Artifact Entertainment picked him up and apparently he was the CEO until Artifact Entertainment bankrupted. They made a new company named Tulga games with the same guys at the helm and apparently the same guy managed to secure new fundings until they went bankrupt again and sold the Artifact Entertainment assets to EI Interactive.
  RageMonster

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10/31/06 8:43:35 PM#7

Hey... Ed Andercheck says you are all big fat liars and there was never any danger in the last report we read.  Now this is out in the open and I am wondering what Ed's response is.

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  xmoleculex

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Posts: 98

10/31/06 8:44:58 PM#8
Take note people! Banning your own account like this may be the only way to keep EI from charging your account after you cancel. =P
  dand3

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10/31/06 8:54:33 PM#9

Posting the full report is incredibly irresponsible.  All that was needed was the fact that such exists, and a possibly redacted quote of the conclusion. 

Putting players' information at risk by publishing this does not advance a vendetta against the company, but against the players. 

 

Edit: from the forum's rules: A major infraction

"Illegal Activities - Either committing, or the discussion of committing illegal activities at MMORPG.com will not be tolerated.

This got pulled from the VN boards for that reason.   It should be pulled here also.

  Ophelea

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10/31/06 9:05:44 PM#10

Originally posted by dand3

Posting the full report is incredibly irresponsible.  All that was needed was the fact that such exists, and a possibly redacted quote of the conclusion. 

Putting players' information at risk by publishing this does not advance a vendetta against the company, but against the players. 

 

Edit: from the forum's rules: A major infraction

"Illegal Activities - Either committing, or the discussion of committing illegal activities at MMORPG.com will not be tolerated.

This got pulled from the VN boards for that reason.   It should be pulled here also.


Mayhaps you are missing the point.

Contrary to the accusation that this has been the case since beta (this is a different launcher than the one in beta - personal agendas regarding David Bowman do not belong in this discussion), EII has known about this and as was indicated in the last article EII was notified. Those of us in the know warned people about the company; we warned people within the limits of the law that there were serious issues.

But, as you can see by EIIs inaction and the disbelief of those who still play, it wasn't taken seriously.

By posting it, it does open up accounts - those with KNOWN passwords to hacking.

However, it also forces EII to take the notification seriously and fix the vulnerability. There's a reason there is a mandatory 60-day waiting period before a notification like this can be made public. That time has passed.

They MUST fix this. It's a very sad state that it's steps like this that are needed for them to take their business seriously.
  dand3

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10/31/06 9:21:08 PM#11

Oh, I got the point.  The stated purpose could have been served by alluding to the report, and publishing a limited version of the conclusion.  No more was needed to have made the warning public and it would have brought pressure to bear just as well. 

And publishing something potentially harmful to PLAYERS shows that balance and proportion have been lost.

  Razorback

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10/31/06 9:59:42 PM#12

Originally posted by dand3

And publishing something potentially harmful to PLAYERS shows that balance and proportion have been lost.


Dand3 I appreciate the sentiment of your report. But I think its made abundantly clear in the OP that this report has been published online and is being widely debated amongst anyone who would have the remotest interest in the topic.

As an industry news site (in part) it would actually be irresponsible of us NOT to inform the readers of our site of this development.

I am shelving your report for now, but just so this is in the open, as a junior Moderator I will leave any further comment to the senior staff.

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  dand3

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10/31/06 10:05:24 PM#13

Originally posted by Razorback

Originally posted by dand3

And publishing something potentially harmful to PLAYERS shows that balance and proportion have been lost.


Dand3 I appreciate the sentiment of your report. But I think its made abundantly clear in the OP that this report has been published online and is being widely debated amongst anyone who would have the remotest interest in the topic.

As an industry news site (in part) it would actually be irresponsible of us NOT to inform the readers of our site of this development.

I am shelving your report for now, but just so this is in the open, as a junior Moderator I will leave any further comment to the senior staff.

Thanks


All those ends could have been served by a PARTIAL post, which did not include all necessary details.  It's not discussion of the topic that I find so irresponsible, but the publication of the entire report.  That was NOT necessary to bring the issue to the attention of the community.  Since it is potentially damaging to the PLAYERS, using the entire report to pressure EI was terribly misguided.  The players are not at fault, and should not be jeopardized. 
  xmoleculex

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Posts: 98

10/31/06 10:29:21 PM#14
EI Interactive did not take this security hole seriously. Now they have no choice.

Tell me, what puts the players more at risk... EI ignoring a security flaw (and thusly leaving it open for who knows how long) or EI being forced to no longer ignore it and actually DO something?

Clear things up a bit for you?
  Dana

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Posts: 2425

 
OP  10/31/06 10:30:43 PM#15

Originally posted by dand3

Originally posted by Razorback

Originally posted by dand3

And publishing something potentially harmful to PLAYERS shows that balance and proportion have been lost.


Dand3 I appreciate the sentiment of your report. But I think its made abundantly clear in the OP that this report has been published online and is being widely debated amongst anyone who would have the remotest interest in the topic.

As an industry news site (in part) it would actually be irresponsible of us NOT to inform the readers of our site of this development.

I am shelving your report for now, but just so this is in the open, as a junior Moderator I will leave any further comment to the senior staff.

Thanks


All those ends could have been served by a PARTIAL post, which did not include all necessary details.  It's not discussion of the topic that I find so irresponsible, but the publication of the entire report.  That was NOT necessary to bring the issue to the attention of the community.  Since it is potentially damaging to the PLAYERS, using the entire report to pressure EI was terribly misguided.  The players are not at fault, and should not be jeopardized. 

It boiled down to this for me - as I did consider not linking it...

If I don't post it, what's to stop someone from saying I just made it up?

Plus, anyone with a few lines of text could likely google and find it themselves.

Dana Massey
Formerly of MMORPG.com
Currently Lead Designer for Bit Trap Studios

  sartorius

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10/31/06 10:47:40 PM#16

Originally posted by dand3

Originally posted by Razorback

Originally posted by dand3

And publishing something potentially harmful to PLAYERS shows that balance and proportion have been lost.


Dand3 I appreciate the sentiment of your report. But I think its made abundantly clear in the OP that this report has been published online and is being widely debated amongst anyone who would have the remotest interest in the topic.

As an industry news site (in part) it would actually be irresponsible of us NOT to inform the readers of our site of this development.

I am shelving your report for now, but just so this is in the open, as a junior Moderator I will leave any further comment to the senior staff.

Thanks


All those ends could have been served by a PARTIAL post, which did not include all necessary details.  It's not discussion of the topic that I find so irresponsible, but the publication of the entire report.  That was NOT necessary to bring the issue to the attention of the community.  Since it is potentially damaging to the PLAYERS, using the entire report to pressure EI was terribly misguided.  The players are not at fault, and should not be jeopardized. 

dand3,

   I believe the situation here is that MMORPG.com is not the body behind the public release of the report - the company that made it and submitted it to EII are.  All MMORPG.com is doing is reporting to their members the situation in full.  wether or nto they linked to the original report or not, it would eventually be done here and even if they kept removing/editing the links out the report IS public via the company that issued it and could still be found and viewed by anyone who wanted to.

You want to crucify someone for making it public, go after the ones ultimately responsible (which includes EII for their failure to act on the initial report.)

 


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  dand3

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10/31/06 10:58:36 PM#17

Originally posted by Lepidus
 

It boiled down to this for me - as I did consider not linking it...

If I don't post it, what's to stop someone from saying I just made it up?  Your considerable reputation for thoroughness and fairness. 

 And a partial, redacted, publication would have been enough in any event; modifying enough to prevent googling would have been a good idea; but the key point is that players are potentially jeopardized in order to get EI off the dime.  The players did nothing wrong; and protecting them should always have been your first priority.   That could have been done without compromising editorial standards or putting subscribers at risk. 

Plus, anyone with a few lines of text could likely google and find it themselves.



  xmoleculex

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10/31/06 11:24:45 PM#18

 Your considerable reputation for thoroughness and fairness. 

 And a partial, redacted, publication would have been enough in any event; modifying enough to prevent googling would have been a good idea; but the key point is that players are potentially jeopardized in order to get EI off the dime.  The players did nothing wrong; and protecting them should always have been your first priority.   That could have been done without compromising editorial standards or putting subscribers at risk. 


Modifying enough to prevent Googling? Are you serious? Should they have reported that the vulnerability was for EQ or DAoC? You can't "modify" news to mislead people... fabrication would hurt that "considerable reputation for thoroughness and fairness" that you pointed out yourself. How is it "thorough" or "fair" to mislead their readers?

Furthermore, this is a PUBLIC document. MMORPG.com didn't break this news, they just pointed it out. That's their job. Personally, I approve of them bringing this to the attention of the community at large. Folks need to know about this sort of thing... not just current players of Horizons, but also anyone who would even consider playing.

It's EII's job to protect their current players. Apparently that wasn't a top priority for them. You've picked a fight worth fighting, but with the wrong people and for the wrong reason!
  User Deleted
10/31/06 11:35:45 PM#19


Originally posted by dand3

Originally posted by Lepidus


 

It boiled down to this for me - as I did consider not linking it...If I don't post it, what's to stop someone from saying I just made it up?  Your considerable reputation for thoroughness and fairness. 
 And a partial, redacted, publication would have been enough in any event; modifying enough to prevent googling would have been a good idea; but the key point is that players are potentially jeopardized in order to get EI off the dime.  The players did nothing wrong; and protecting them should always have been your first priority.   That could have been done without compromising editorial standards or putting subscribers at risk.  Plus, anyone with a few lines of text could likely google and find it themselves.



Dand3, first off, let me reiterate that the people here at mmorpg.com did nothing wrong with posting that report. It was and still is publically available. "Modify" it so it can't be googled? Not much internet experience, I take it. Also, I've browesed through all of your post (you don't have many, so it was easy) and what I find amusing is that you were happy as a rat in a cheese factory when Tulga took over, and you are as staunch a defender of EII as you were for Tulga. Every post you've made has been in defence or praise of Tulga/EI/ and Horizons. And no matter how you try to manipulate an angle to look like you are protesting out of concern for the players, you look more like someone who is a little peeved that this came to light at all. Tulga knew and did nothing. Then EI came along, knew, and did nothing. Were you here warning the players that they could be compromised, as I'm more than sure someone there since beta knew all of this too. Other players noticed and brought it to light all the way back with Tulga. Where were you? Oh, yes. That's right. You were here praising them. Your opinion of this situation means nothing to me, and quite frankly should mean nothing to mmorpg.com or the players of Horizons who were put at financial danger by both companies running their game.
Oh, and feel free to flame. I doubt you could do a very good job of it, but you can try.::::02::

  dand3

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10/31/06 11:52:18 PM#20

yup, Googling does take you there.  The site also says that the example is encrypted; wonder why it's not.No, I did not know about this; why should I?  

And as for correcting the misstatements of those who have not played for a long time, if ever... just setting the record straight. 

Those who have the facts on their side, argue the facts; those who don't have the facts, argue the law; those who have neither the facts nor the law, flame.

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