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OP  10/02/06 10:46:41 AM#1

Dark & Light launched recently and now we have our review. It used to be the most hyped game on our list, but in late beta fell out of favor in grand scale. Find out what we thought of the game.

The game is relative hard, especially in the beginning. The first few levels you can only kill things of your own level. The problem is that level one mobs are mixed in with level five mobs that will kill you if you are not careful. Generally, mobs are placed in groups of up to 20 or more which makes solo hunting very difficult at first. Once you are past citizen level (10), a well-equipped character can kill creatures twice his level. The difficulty of the mobs themselves is very diverse as well. One level 10 mob might be easy to kill while another level 10 might be almost impossible to kill. This can be either good or bad, depending on how you look at it. On one hand, there is a sense of discovery. On the other hand, a hunting experience can be entirely unpredictable and have dire results.

The naming of monsters themselves is dull. There are cows of destruction, of blunt, of death, etc. It seems that the dev team ran out of inspiration when naming them.

You can read our review here.

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10/02/06 11:03:52 AM#2

The review was not harsh enouph for that POS game. Just my opinion.


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10/02/06 11:23:16 AM#3
Garbage game throw it away  Just cancel it now guys... its over


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10/02/06 11:24:32 AM#4

it breaks my heart to see the game still hasnt changed that much from the early beta.
i agree with every point given, except the support. cause that should be a - number. if you want support you gonna have to go to the players themself.

sound bit, could have been a 5 or music 8.5 and sfx 2

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10/02/06 11:48:09 AM#5

There are things in that review that made me want to try the game. But i played the engine they sent out..lets just say the sky had more lines and colours then a rainbow.


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10/02/06 12:13:57 PM#6
This could have been one of the all-time greats. But it was so poorly developed/deployed. Settlers of Ganareth (the beta/prequel) was a disaster. They were crazy to think people wouldn't judge DnL by the standard of SoG. Most of the fan base was lost there. It was a joke, and unfortunately DnL wasn't that much better. It's such a shame. I've never been so disappointed in a game. I logged in the other week, flew around for an hour and only saw one other player - and I was in so-called populated areas. Very sad.


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10/02/06 12:19:29 PM#7

Originally posted by jybgess

The review was not harsh enouph for that POS game. Just my opinion.

Far too kind.  I believe played it a little too politic with this review.  As a service to the folks that visit the website seeking realistic information about DnL, this review should have painted a more realistic picture of this "train wreck" of a game. 

I am a regular visitor to the official DnL forums, where the vast majority of the posts by the current player base are far more negative than this review.  It's one thing to try and be even-handed in a review.  But this is a situation where calling a spade a spade is justified.  With a score of 4.0 (which I think is very fair) the review itself should have been harsher in tone. 

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10/02/06 12:20:58 PM#8
Seems this review was done before the last patch. They removed the 25 FPS cap.

The Multi-threading realy does improve things alot also.

*Disclamer - I am a fan of the TECH not nessarly the game.


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10/02/06 12:47:57 PM#9

Originally posted by indiramourn

Far too kind.  I believe played it a little too politic with this review.

While I agree a 4 may be a bit high, I was worried that politics would play a larger role here than it did. I think they did a good job without seeming to be too negatively biased which would remove the appearance of objectivity.

A 4 gets the point across that this is a game that should be avoided until it becomes a complete game, which might never happen due to finances. The best we can hope for is a buyout by another company but then again, we all saw how that went for Horizons.

Telling people to shut up or go away is fine, but eventually you will run out of people who care.


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10/02/06 12:56:01 PM#10

Originally posted by Supergohan
it breaks my heart to see the game still hasnt changed that much from the early beta.i agree with every point given, except the support. cause that should be a - number. if you want support you gonna have to go to the players themself.

Isn't that the truth...started with SoG....where I along with several others volunteered to help with support of SoG (remember DSH in IRC chat?)...little did we realise we were really the only support that game offered...when we left, support was just no longer there. I know we weren't liked by part of the community...but we helped a great number of people get into and try the game. Perhaps we shouldn't have bothered...would have caused the downfall of this game a lot quicker.

They promised so much and delivered so little...I'm surprised this game hasn't been cancelled this point the lack of players by itself is the one thing that is driving this game into the ground. Now that AD is pulling back on their support of doubt that will quicken the downfall of this game.

Bottom line is...this game has set a new standard about how NOT to run a MMORPG.


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10/02/06 1:33:30 PM#11
  LOL D&L should have greased the wheels with like EVE and GuildWars, would have gotten a 9 overall

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10/02/06 1:46:22 PM#12

Originally posted by Gorukha
  LOL D&L should have greased the wheels with like EVE and GuildWars, would have gotten a 9 overall


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10/02/06 1:57:30 PM#13
Christ could there be anymore spelling mistakes? Why can't someone like Dana Massey do the review? Ffs..

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10/02/06 3:06:49 PM#14

Yea DnL let us down, plain and simple. And I remember DSH Thor , and I still remember the 10 000 beta keys going in 90s . Talk about hype . Good to know the game is still broken, although I don't think I was gonna go was anyways.

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10/02/06 3:32:44 PM#15
I think the review was too soft. The game is broke and unreliable. When looking at the screenies that were with the review, I wondered when they were taken, especially the event - I have not seen more than 10 people at an event in a long time. Plus people were asking how to use their dragon. Only Pioneers got those, and they would all know how to use them.  DnL is a failure, and a 4 rating was too high in my book, and the review was too soft. Read the DnL forums, count the number of people posting, and you will see that such a small number of people still play. I was an avid fan, but the dev's don't deliver and it's not worth the trouble to try and play such a lame game.

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OP  10/02/06 3:35:40 PM#16

Originally posted by Vyce
When looking at the screenies that were with the review, I wondered when they were taken

Those were just archive images, likely from way back.

Also... regarding the score: if you got 40% on a history test, you'd probably not be happy. The same applies here.

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10/02/06 4:08:41 PM#17
Quote: "The game in its current state is broken, full of bugs and does not have half of what was promised."

I'd say the review was pretty damn accurate. He showed no bias and put the main point in writing. And Gorukha, that statement was not funny or accurate.

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10/02/06 4:37:49 PM#18
Wow, what did I miss?

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10/02/06 4:54:11 PM#19

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth
Seems this review was done before the last patch. They removed the 25 FPS cap.

The Multi-threading realy does improve things alot also.

The latest patch did a lot more damage than it did good.  Isn't that obvious?  Or have you been avoiding the official forums?  The only reason the DnL servers are still up at all are for the few suckers who are tricked into buying the game (which is the soul purpose of the recently released "demo") and to beta test patches on a hold-on group of masochistic diehards who--like yourself--refuse to see the writing on the wall. 

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10/02/06 5:46:05 PM#20

From the Home Page
It earned our lowest score ever.

That's all I needed to see.

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