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Originally posted by shayalyn

Think what you want of Vanguard while it's in development--no one here's going to be making a decision to buy (or not buy) the game for several months, anyhow. Whether the game succeeds or goes on to be just another lukewarm title remains to be seen. I'm the CM of a Vanguard community site, but I have nothing to gain by blowing smoke up anyone's skirt. A lot of the criticisms people have about Vanguard just go to support what Brad McQuaid said: "Vanguard won't be for everyone." If it's not your cup o' capuccino, then don't drink it--simple as that.

What I don't get, though, is why people would comdemn McQuaid for coming here to answer questions and clear up misconceptions about the game. You may not agree with him, but I think it shows enthusiasm for the title and concern for the gamers who might consider playing it. Is it a PR tactic of sorts? Sure. But what sort of CEO of a development company would want their game to fly under the radar?

Unfortunately, I think maybe Brad's attempt to "win friends and influence people" where Vanguard is concerned probably backfires on him more often than it succeeds. Still, I see no reason to trash the man for trying.

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Vanguard is new to me... just discovered it today while reading about a similar title I've been following (Hero's Journey) and saw a comparison to Vanguard so I thought I'd check it out.  The first thing I did was look at the screen shots and (limited) movies available.  My initial impression was "hmm looks a lot like EQ2 graphics wise" (which incidentally I've never been a fan of).  Then I went to the forums, found this thread, and read this:

Heard that the game only looks like EQ2 +? False 

Now I'm not one to judge a game until I've tried it first-hand, but seeing stuff like this sure throws up some red flags for me having been burned by sooo many titles promising one thing and delivering another.

Anyway, I'll check on Vanguard periodically, hopefully get to try open beta, and then be able to make a decision, but as it stands now... I'm skeptical.

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Originally posted by Sixpax

Vanguard is new to me... just discovered it today while reading about a similar title I've been following (Hero's Journey) and saw a comparison to Vanguard so I thought I'd check it out.  The first thing I did was look at the screen shots and (limited) movies available.  My initial impression was "hmm looks a lot like EQ2 graphics wise" (which incidentally I've never been a fan of).  Then I went to the forums, found this thread, and read this:

Heard that the game only looks like EQ2 +? False 

Now I'm not one to judge a game until I've tried it first-hand, but seeing stuff like this sure throws up some red flags for me having been burned by sooo many titles promising one thing and delivering another.

Anyway, I'll check on Vanguard periodically, hopefully get to try open beta, and then be able to make a decision, but as it stands now... I'm skeptical.

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Originally posted by qotsa

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Originally posted by Sixpax

Vanguard is new to me... just discovered it today while reading about a similar title I've been following (Hero's Journey) and saw a comparison to Vanguard so I thought I'd check it out.  The first thing I did was look at the screen shots and (limited) movies available.  My initial impression was "hmm looks a lot like EQ2 graphics wise" (which incidentally I've never been a fan of).  Then I went to the forums, found this thread, and read this:

Heard that the game only looks like EQ2 +? False 

Now I'm not one to judge a game until I've tried it first-hand, but seeing stuff like this sure throws up some red flags for me having been burned by sooo many titles promising one thing and delivering another.

Anyway, I'll check on Vanguard periodically, hopefully get to try open beta, and then be able to make a decision, but as it stands now... I'm skeptical.

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It doesn't look like EQ2. They use more colors than brown and gray.

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I think it's a lot more than that :)

Characters:  http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/2940/elves7qn.jpg

Screenshots -- look down a few rows especiallly at the jungle. 

http://www.vanguardsoh.com/screenshots.php

Movie Guide:

http://vanguardsoh.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70905

The 'brow and grey' is old school criticism.  Exagerated, but true to some extent before we got our world lighting where we wanted it to be.  But hasn't been true in months.  I encourage you to do some research :)

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Originally posted by Elikal
Oh come on! It may not look like EQ2 but it surely looks like EQ3 would have. Heck, in some Videos I even thought they just took the EQ2 engine! I liked EQ2, but I had hoped a 2006/2007 engine would show something MORE than what we see. Other areas in the videos linked by that Sigil CEO recently looked like they came from SWG terrain. Thats all not bad, I loved SWG and EQ2, but its SOME years behind I think.

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years behind? care to link me a mmog that has up to date graphics in your opinion? you may not like vanguards style of graphics but it has the best graphics i have seen out of any mmog being developed or released IMO.

when someone says that vanguards graphics are years behind that just tells me that they are looking for something to complain about because its obvious it isn't true.

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Originally posted by baphamet

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Originally posted by Elikal
Oh come on! It may not look like EQ2 but it surely looks like EQ3 would have. Heck, in some Videos I even thought they just took the EQ2 engine! I liked EQ2, but I had hoped a 2006/2007 engine would show something MORE than what we see. Other areas in the videos linked by that Sigil CEO recently looked like they came from SWG terrain. Thats all not bad, I loved SWG and EQ2, but its SOME years behind I think.

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years behind? care to link me a mmog that has up to date graphics in your opinion? you may not like vanguards style of graphics but it has the best graphics i have seen out of any mmog being developed or released IMO.

when someone says that vanguards graphics are years behind that just tells me that they are looking for something to complain about because its obvious it isn't true.

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I'll reiterate, I knew nothing about Vanguard prior to a couple of days ago, so I don't have some personal agenda against the game, and my first impression was that it looked like EQ2 graphics.  That's not a put-down as I know a lot of people like the EQ2 graphics, but don't tell me the sky's green when I can see for myself that it's blue.

And for a link to a game with more "modern" graphics, try this one:

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/setView/screens/gameID/199/setStart/1/SUNScreens.html

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Originally posted by Sixpax

I'll reiterate, I knew nothing about Vanguard prior to a couple of days ago, so I don't have some personal agenda against the game, and my first impression was that it looked like EQ2 graphics.  That's not a put-down as I know a lot of people like the EQ2 graphics, but don't tell me the sky's green when I can see for myself that it's blue.
And for a link to a game with more "modern" graphics, try this one:

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LOL so you link me a game that is in early stages of development that has pretty screenshots (and i agree they are very pretty) but sorry to say that does not disprove my point, it reinforces it.

if the gameplay and content of that game turn out to be anywhere near as good as vanguard as well as if the graphics actually turn out that good then you have one game with better graphics than vanguard....surly that would make vanguard "years behind"

you may not like the style of vanguards graphics but it is not "years behind" not by a long shot. if it was years behind there would be multiple games in development and released with far greater graphics than vanguard and that is just not the case.

also i never said you had anything against vanguard but i have noticed alot of times people look for things to complain about when they come to this forum because vanguard rivals their favorite game in development.

not saying that is true in your case but it kind of came off that way with your original post i quoted, its just kind of silly to think vanguards graphics are not up to date IMO.

if vanguards graphics are years behind then i guess the entire genre is years behind as well.

edit: i just realized you are not the same person that i originally quoted, so disregard some of the stuff i wrote that does not apply to you... sorry for the confusion.

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Originally posted by baphamet
LOL so you link me a game that is in early stages of development that has pretty screenshots (and i agree they are very pretty) but sorry to say that does not disprove my point, it reinforces it.

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Originally posted by baphamet
care to link me a mmog that has up to date graphics in your opinion? you may not like vanguards style of graphics but it has the best graphics i have seen out of any mmog being developed or released IMO.

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Oh, and in regard to following game titles, I learned a long time ago that companies are after one thing and one thing only.... your money. They'll only go as far as they believe necessary to get the maximum return on their investment. Sure it'd be nice to think a company's #1 concern is making the best game imaginable, but don't kid yourself, they have a quota. Obviously, it's in their best interest to make a great game as that brings in more money, but they aren't going to spend the funds (i.e. buying the best graphics designers in the business) just to build you a better game, when they can "get by" with less and still make a nice profit.

Once you realize that, you learn to lower your expectations and not be disappointed when a game doesn't deliever the title they lead you to believe they were.

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Originally posted by Sixpax

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Originally posted by baphamet
LOL so you link me a game that is in early stages of development that has pretty screenshots (and i agree they are very pretty) but sorry to say that does not disprove my point, it reinforces it.

Huh?! I thought the point was about graphic quality, not content. Here's your quote:

Originally posted by baphamet
care to link me a mmog that has up to date graphics in your opinion? you may not like vanguards style of graphics but it has the best graphics i have seen out of any mmog being developed or released IMO.

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I gave you exactly what you asked for and of course you respond by playing the "content" card. That has nothing to do with the discussion of Vanguard's graphics. SUN is just one example of a game being developed that has what should be (IMO) what companies strive for in graphics. At least one would think a company trying to compete in this highly competitive genre would push the envelope of graphics quality.

Oh, and in regard to following game titles, I learned a long time ago that companies are after one thing and one thing only.... your money. They'll only go as far as they believe necessary to get the maximum return on their investment. Sure it'd be nice to think a company's #1 concern is making the best game imaginable, but don't kid yourself, they have a quota. Obviously, it's in their best interest to make a great game as that brings in more money, but they aren't going to spend the funds (i.e. buying the best graphics designers in the business) just to build you a better game, when they can "get by" with less and still make a nice profit.

Once you realize that, you learn to lower your expectations and not be disappointed when a game doesn't deliever the title they lead you to believe they were.

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the reason why i used the "content" card is because there are lots of these so called "games" that have amazing graphics with no real content, those screenshots are rendered to look that nice, if you want to nitpick and just judge by screenshots alone and not an actual game then fine...you found a game with better graphics than vanguard *rollseyes*

just because of a game in early stages of development has pretty rendered screenshots does not mean it will have better graphics when all is said and done.

and even if it did how demanding will the engine be? how much ram you going to need just to run a game like that with all the other people in the game with you?

when sun is at the same phase of development as vanguard with multiple gameplay videos with those same pretty graphics i will eat my words.

but I'm still lost for words why you even quoted me in the first place when i wasn't even replying to your post. are you implying that you agree that vanguards graphics are dated?

and if so i think i already disproved your point, unless you can give me more than rendered screenshots or an actual game that is farther along in development or released.

i have seen lots of screenshots from games that are still just a concept....to quote you "I learned a long time ago that companies are after one thing and one thing only.... your money."

and i agree with that 100% that is why alot of so called "games" use rendered screenshots to falsely hype their game to make it look like a graphically beautiful game.

BTW i am also in agreement not to get your expectations to high for any game, not really sure why you threw that in there. my point is that it is stupid that people complain about vanguard having dated graphics when there is nothing better released to this day or anything more than just a concept and a few rendered screenshots in development.

it is nothing more than nitpicking a game that rivals your game witch i guarantee don't have the graphics vanguard has, unless we are talking about games that are still at a concept stage with pretty rendered screenshots, like sun....witch don't count IMO

I liked it better when Sigil was clear on their vision with a "take it or leave it" attitude.  This backsliding, if you want to call it that, isn't fooling anyone.  It has been clear, and still is clear, that Vanguard will very much be an EQ-esque game, and frankly, there is nothing wrong with that.

Sure you can solo, and some folks may even like to solo in this game.  Sure you can play it casually. And sure, if you want to do those two things, you can forget about 80% of the game.

Vanguard isn't going to be for everyone.  Frankly, it has always looked like it wouldn't be for me.  I have yet to decide if i would buy it.  I might try open beta, given the opportunity.

But if it's not for you, well, move on.  This is going to be a very good game, even if it isn't right for a lot of folks.

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Originally posted by Dancuk
From what Ive seen and and heard of the game so far, I cant wait for its release. And as long as you dont need 40 man raids to do anything once you reach max level, which I assume you dont, as Im sure there's a lot more to do than raiding in this game once you reach max level, then I'm happy.

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indeed, that is what they are telling us at least.

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Originally posted by Adela

I liked it better when Sigil was clear on their vision with a "take it or leave it" attitude.  This backsliding, if you want to call it that, isn't fooling anyone.  It has been clear, and still is clear, that Vanguard will very much be an EQ-esque game, and frankly, there is nothing wrong with that.

Sure you can solo, and some folks may even like to solo in this game.  Sure you can play it casually. And sure, if you want to do those two things, you can forget about 80% of the game.

Vanguard isn't going to be for everyone.  Frankly, it has always looked like it wouldn't be for me.  I have yet to decide if i would buy it.  I might try open beta, given the opportunity.

But if it's not for you, well, move on.  This is going to be a very good game, even if it isn't right for a lot of folks.

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Brad McQuaid
Chairman & CEO, Sigil Games Online, Inc.
Executive Producer, Vanguard: Saga of Heroes ...  

 I have to admit this guy(Brad Mcquaid) doesnt look like chairman or ceo of vanguard... sound more of a fan boy of vanguard .You post doesnt look profesional at all, relax man dont worry i'm going to give a game a try and so are ppl of WOW/FFXI/D&D ect and ect... you know how it is... new game! almost every mmorpg fan going to check this game out. And if you are in fact what your claming to be then try to answer more profesional.I'm not trying to put you down im just saying that it look fake anyway, yea yea some of my spelling suck i need to work on that... but im not claming to be a a english teacher

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Originally posted by mightyfelix

Brad McQuaid
Chairman & CEO, Sigil Games Online, Inc.
Executive Producer, Vanguard: Saga of Heroes ...  

 I have to admit this guy(Brad Mcquaid) doesnt look like chairman or ceo of vanguard...

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Thank you for the post Brad.  I think it's freaking hilarious how the first flamer was identified by name BEFORE he started posting.   That guy must have very little to do with his time. 

I for one can't wait for this game.  I'd beg for an invite, but I realize you've been asked about a half million times. =)

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Originally posted by Myela
Damn sad when an entire industry is so busy killing its own longevity in the name of the fast buck.

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