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Vanguard: Saga of Heroes is one of the most anticipated games on our list. At AGC, Staff Writer Laura Genender interviewed President and Exec. Producer Jeff Butler and Senior Marketing and PR Manager April Jones. They concentrated primarily on diplomacy and crafting.
The rest of the article is here. Dana Massey |
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9/12/06 1:40:07 PM#2
Looking forward to diplomacy and crafting! Finaly something new and exciting with tangible benefits.
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time. |
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Anofalye
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Joined: 11/19/03
The enemy is so dumb! They believe that WE are the enemy! - A famous orc commander. |
9/12/06 2:00:43 PM#3
Sooo...diplomacy sound more or less as: Vanguard: The Gathering? Might be fun, Magic is an extremely successfull game, a few twists in it are definitely an option, especially with the crowd that are my age or younger. However, I have that weird feeling that again, someone took an example that is way beyond them. Maybe I am wrong, but many try to reproduce The Gathering feeling, few succeed. See, the risk in taking a successful formulae is that you have to beat the initial, reproducing it or been less is not going to stick...peoples know Magic, they play it...if you bring less, then it would just not be enought. Taking Magic: The Gathering as an example is certainly putting the bar quite high, I am interested in knowing if they really mean it and have what it take to back it up, or if they try to swallow more than they can. I also wonder...in a Real Time game such as Vanguard, how having a GBT card game going to be good, unless you put a timer on the player? In which case you pretty much ruin the feeling of the initial game and the reason behind it...anyway, worth a try and in doubt, give the runner the benefit of the doubts! (I am still not going to play a must raiding game, even if raiding is "merely 20% and merely a part of the final reward") - "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - René Levesque about the denial NO on the poll to his dream, project and goal. (Free translation) |
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9/12/06 2:55:31 PM#4
Woot any liberals that are going to play this game, you can find me as a diplomat (Bush FTW!!!).
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9/12/06 3:18:03 PM#5
I was a bit confused on some of the details of the system, but I'm looking forward to trying it out in a couple of weeks, and I'll update you all on how it works :) Laura "Taera" Genender |
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9/12/06 4:00:44 PM#6
I'm a bit confused now. I thought there were 3 different spheres. You are either an adventurer, diplomat, or crafter. Now it is sounding like crafting is a profession taken by an adventurer or diplomat, since they say that the most successful crafters will be diplomats. In other words it seems like there is no actual crafting class. Am I interpreting this correctly?
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9/12/06 4:21:03 PM#7
Crafting is completely stand alone. Any items gained through adventuring that can be used by crafting can be traded, and thus bought. BUT, there are some recipes that can only be gained by diplomacy. You can chose not to craft those recipes, but knowing most crafters (and being one myself) we like to catch 'em all. So no, we don't have to be diplomats, but it helps? Laura "Taera" Genender |
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tkobo
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Joined: 3/17/06
Current MMO dev teams = Keystone cops.A pure comedy of errors,sadly its not as intentional. |
9/12/06 4:37:28 PM#8
I'd like to hear more about this diplomacy system. I do hope the errands are only at the very beginning.The diplomacy card system sounds interesting, but the errands part sounds like the lame little faction quests we are all already used to. |
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9/12/06 5:03:28 PM#9
After playing CoH Im sorta getting addicted to grouping and big mission quests. Something I never had the taste for in the many years of mmorpgs. Im beginning to become intrigued with the game. Especially the concept of group gatherig. Thats far superior a approach to the competition approach found in Wow*Angery Gnome, GET THE #Q$Q#@Q@#Q away from my ORE!!*Angery dwarf, YER DEAD SHORTY!! ITS MINEE!!!*
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9/12/06 5:35:46 PM#10
Sounds interesting. This is the only game Im really looking forward to apart from Age of Conan. I am as usual, stupidly hyped. Youd think after doing this for soooo long Id learn not to get my hopes up.... Im a slow learner
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9/12/06 5:59:41 PM#11
You have it a bit wrong. Yes, there are three spheres, but each character has access to all three of them. You have an adventuring class, a crafting profession, and diplomacy all at the same time. |
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9/12/06 6:11:17 PM#12
In the past I have been quite critical of MMOPRG.coms poor and biased coverage of Vanguard. But this time I have to say nice job and very well done. The article was not only informative and very well written but the interviewer actually appeared to know what he was talking about. A nice refreshing change from the people at MMOPRG.com. Hopefully they can keep this kind of quality coverage in their future articles.
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9/12/06 6:20:48 PM#13
Looking forward for this one.... Vanguard>all games out there!
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9/12/06 6:28:46 PM#14
Sounds Like Vanguard has a lot to offer. I am hoping it breaks the mmorpg trend
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9/12/06 8:27:30 PM#15
It won't. People are wanting things to be easier like WOW. They don't play wow anymore, but they want wow features. |
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9/12/06 9:17:14 PM#16
Hello Zippy, I'm a she, and you hated my E3 review ;) ;) contrary to popular beliefs, though, I am looking foward to Vanguard (somewhat cautiously as, like Razorback, I've done this too many times). I am glad you liked this article, though, and I hope that future ones meet your standards as well! Laura Laura "Taera" Genender |
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9/12/06 10:21:39 PM#17
My apologies about the he reference, it was not intentional. I hope my and the many other criticisms you recieved for your E3 review helped motivate you to do a better job this time. This article is much better written. This time you show actual knowledge and provide us with more than standard bolierplate and you don't use the article to bash the game like you did last time. But in all fairness you probably had more time to think, organize, research and write this article than you did during the hectic atmosphere of E3. As far as looking forward to Vanguard cautiously. I agree with you 100%. Its rare a game ever meets expectations. I have many douts about the game as well. I hope it does well like but I wonder if they are just simply trying to do to much and being to innovative. Its not just diplomacy, but their crafting sytem, city building, boat building, endgane not centered around raiding, dyanmic death penalty system and so much more. In almost every part of the game they are trying to be innovative and push the enevelope. To me it seems like simply to much and its doomed to fail. But we can hope. Again, nice article. No offense meant in regards to the first article. I simply thought like most mmorpg.com articles it was very poorly done and if you re-read the posts from that article you will see many other people felt the same way. In fact there was an entire post on the official forums dedicated to talking about how poorly written the article was. I am sorry there I go again. I better be quiet and simply say I thought your present article was very well written and I enjoyed it very much. Best wishes in the future. |
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9/12/06 10:49:47 PM#18
RE: Diplomacy System Anyone play Elder Scrolls 4: Oblivion?? The Diplomacy sytem in Vanguard actually reminds me a little bit on the Persuasion Mini game for NPCs in that game. When you talk to an NPC in Oblivion they will give you a persuasion level, between 0 and 100. You can raise their persuasion by working around the 4-5 wedges. The trick is to find an easy NPC; human, that will give you exact facial features when you highlight a wedge. Lets see if I can remember the wedges: Joke.... crap I cant remember. Ok loading game LOL Admire; Joke; Boast; Coerce. Okay so if you are at a human NPC you can see the facial features really well. When you highlight Joke lets say they may have a medium smile When you highlight Admire they may have a huge smile, when you highlight Boast they may frown some and when you highlight Coerce they may have a HUGE frown. The key here is to have a high wedge with the happiest face to give you the better points. When your persuasion is 45 and you have a huge wedge piece in the Admire section and they have a huge happy face you're gonna gain more points, possibly gaining 20pts + but when you highlight your coerce with a medium wedge you will lose persuasion. You have to do all 4 wedges to complete the persusaion mini game. Again if you do it just right (by having small wedges with the frowns and large wedges with the happy faces) you can actually gain persuasion points. You can do this persuasion as many times as you want but again you may lose some points. Also with Oblivion comes a Bribe option (which I doubt that Vanguard has) but with Oblivion you may have to dish out 200gp for a +7 Modifier and as you go up in persuasion you have to pay a higher price until they are maxed at that level. And again when you start a new round to gain persuasion they may change: the Admire may be a medium happy face; the Joke could be a massive happy face; the coerce will be a small frown and the boast may be a large frown. Each time you do the persuasion game each of the 4 will have a different outcome. So in theory if you have a large wedge under a large frown you will lose massive persuasion points. Anyways So perhaps this Vanguard Diplomacy is similiar to Oblivion, those that played ES 4 will make it easy those that didnt will take a few tries to understand the game. |
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9/12/06 11:02:28 PM#19
Go VG go !!!
Fyrr Deerdan - Capsuleer of all trades |
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9/12/06 11:04:31 PM#20
I asked Bulter if it was similar, but he hadn't played Oblivion. From how he described the Vanguard system, though, I think it is much more complicated. Laura "Taera" Genender |
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