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Originally posted by Amathe
This video shows the stark contrast between the promises and hype for this game and what it really is.

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Originally posted by Amathe
This video shows the stark contrast between the promises and hype for this game and what it really is.

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Is it me or does this game look and feel a lot like Everquest 2?  Don't get me wrong, EQ2 is a wonderful game, but that's just it... there's only ONE EQ2.

I understand Warhammer is going against World of Warcraft and Vanguard is up against EQ2, but why can't they actually stop, take a look at the big picture and stop trying to copy what's already out and try making something other then elves, dwarves, etc.

It got old fast.  The genre for MMORPGs has been sucked dry.  Lets all hope that some of the newer titles that actually deared to take a different approach actually make it big.

I'm sick of dragons and goblins and this and that.  Bring on the machines!!!  Lets get some hardcore robots.

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Originally posted by Vertex1980

Is it me or does this game look and feel a lot like Everquest 2?  Don't get me wrong, EQ2 is a wonderful game, but that's just it... there's only ONE EQ2.

I understand Warhammer is going against World of Warcraft and Vanguard is up against EQ2, but why can't they actually stop, take a look at the big picture and stop trying to copy what's already out and try making something other then elves, dwarves, etc.

It got old fast.  The genre for MMORPGs has been sucked dry.  Lets all hope that some of the newer titles that actually deared to take a different approach actually make it big.

I'm sick of dragons and goblins and this and that.  Bring on the machines!!!  Lets get some hardcore robots.

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I'm right there with you.  I just re-upped my AO account because I'm dying for a futuristic sci-fi mmorpg, but the lack of love to the avatar vanity is almost painful. 

Back to this topic, the Vanguard Video, regardless if you're gonna love Vanguard or hate it, whether you think it looks too much like EQ2 or not, this video didn't do anything to promote the game, and in fact, I think it may have turned some people off to trying it.  The video is stiff and boring and washed out and gives the impression that the game is going to be the same ol' wash & repeat fantasy mmorpg.  Since SOE put the vid out on behalf of Vanguard, makes me wonder if they did it on purpose so as to not pull away their EQ2 subscribers.  SOE's video of Vanguard makes it look like the ugly stepchild.

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Originally posted by Calibanvov
There are a TON of new unique and creative ideas in Vanguard. Its a shame that its not getting through.

The graphics are showing only Beta 2.5. When EQ2 was at that stage, the models looked like plastic dolls. 

Dont count this game out yet.

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QFT. The games animations are being completely reworked at the moment for beta 3 and 4. The new diplomacy system is being unveiled, graphics are constantly being worked on and polished, and new gameplay ideas are being incorporated often. Have you seen the necromancer pet? That thing looks sweet. Not only does it look sweet, it's not some generic pet either.

Furthermore, ALL you're seeing is Thestra. Theres been a few screenshots and maybe a bit of video of Kojan and Qalia, but 90% of the stuff they've put out has been in Thestra, and so you're seeing a lot of "generic" midieval europe stuff. Kojan and Qalia will have a completely different feel.

All that said, I think the video could have been better.

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Originally posted by Gerec

QFT. The games animations are being completely reworked at the moment for beta 3 and 4. The new diplomacy system is being unveiled, graphics are constantly being worked on and polished, and new gameplay ideas are being incorporated often. Have you seen the necromancer pet? That thing looks sweet. Not only does it look sweet, it's not some generic pet either.

Furthermore, ALL you're seeing is Thestra. Theres been a few screenshots and maybe a bit of video of Kojan and Qalia, but 90% of the stuff they've put out has been in Thestra, and so you're seeing a lot of "generic" midieval europe stuff. Kojan and Qalia will have a completely different feel.

All that said, I think the video could have been better.

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Problem is that the gameplay is still the same dull hack and slash system, the crafting is almost a copy of EQ2. Dipliomacy is the crafting system, but applied to NPCs (click different icons to move a progress bar...YAY?)

GRAPHICS SHOULDNT BE THE REASON YOU BUY A GAME, THE REASON SHOULD BE GAMEPLAY

Only the most naive and inexperienced of people think a game is good or bad based on graphics.

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Originally posted by Amathe
This video shows the stark contrast between the promises and hype for this game and what it really is.

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Originally posted by Gonodil

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Originally posted by Gerec

QFT. The games animations are being completely reworked at the moment for beta 3 and 4. The new diplomacy system is being unveiled, graphics are constantly being worked on and polished, and new gameplay ideas are being incorporated often. Have you seen the necromancer pet? That thing looks sweet. Not only does it look sweet, it's not some generic pet either.

Furthermore, ALL you're seeing is Thestra. Theres been a few screenshots and maybe a bit of video of Kojan and Qalia, but 90% of the stuff they've put out has been in Thestra, and so you're seeing a lot of "generic" midieval europe stuff. Kojan and Qalia will have a completely different feel.

All that said, I think the video could have been better.

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Problem is that the gameplay is still the same dull hack and slash system, the crafting is almost a copy of EQ2. Dipliomacy is the crafting system, but applied to NPCs (click different icons to move a progress bar...YAY?)

GRAPHICS SHOULDNT BE THE REASON YOU BUY A GAME, THE REASON SHOULD BE GAMEPLAY

Only the most naive and inexperienced of people think a game is good or bad based on graphics.

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Where did I ever say I judged VG on graphics? Everyone was bitching about the graphics so I talked about the graphics. Didn't I also mention, though, the diplomacy system and the necro pet? Those are gameplay features. Are you a beta tester? Because you seem to be judging the game as if you know it. And yet the diplomacy system isn't even out yet.

Stop judging people as if you know them. Do you have any clue if I am "naive and inexperienced?" Do you have any clue if I am even judging the game on its graphics? No. 

I'm not judging the game at all by that video, but by the information from their forums of which I am a member over there.  There are elements to this game that I do not find fun, a few being corpse runs, and a focus on forced grouping and raiding, along with 20 minute travel times of which makes up for 1/4 of my total gaming time in the evening after work. 

As for the video, the status quo is that a game will produce really cool movies that do not have actual in-game footage until after they get their graphics tweaked enough to give a good impression.  If Vanguard plans on tweaking their graphics more, they should not have "unveiled" the in-game footage with examples of stiff animation.

Obviously, this conversation is going to degenerate quickly between the nay-sayers and the fan-bois.  I'm somewhere in the middle.  I think it will be a great game for some, and a sucky game for others.  I just happen to be on the side that lives in "casual gamer" world because of RL career and family where spending 1/4 of my gaming time on travel, corpse runs, and waiting around for a raid to form an incredible waste of time when I could be questing immediately in another game.

Vanguard won't suck for everyone and it won't be a "bad game" for a lot of people.  It will suck for people like me.  This video, on the other hand, very poorly marketing choice on SOE's part to make in-game footage looks so poor.

I tend to not judge any game solely on graphics alone, however with a mmorpg my decision for buying the game is more heavily based on the graphics than usual (i.e. for chosing an offline game). This is because I will spend considerable amount of time watching it and I want something that's easy on the eye and has smooth animation. Also because mmorpgs tend to have a more sedate pace about them the scenery must be great to look at too.

Take a look at the top 10 mmorpgs on this site on the game list and if you have played any of them you will remember when the fantastic scenery (and atmosphere) in those games.

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Originally posted by remyburke

And to the above fanboy poster. It's true, gameplay is more important than graphics, but what happens when the graphics AND gameplay both suck equally?

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maybe you should try READING my posts before calling me a fanboy? Stupid

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Originally posted by Gerec

Where did I ever say I judged VG on graphics? Everyone was bitching about the graphics so I talked about the graphics. Didn't I also mention, though, the diplomacy system and the necro pet? Those are gameplay features. Are you a beta tester? Because you seem to be judging the game as if you know it. And yet the diplomacy system isn't even out yet.

Stop judging people as if you know them. Do you have any clue if I am "naive and inexperienced?" Do you have any clue if I am even judging the game on its graphics? No. 

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Your talk of the necro pet IS you promoting the game based on graphics.

What I've seen of the deplomacy system sucks, maybe they will redo it, but im not keeping my hopes up.

And if you arent bright enough to figure out why I'm talking about the game like I know it, that's not my fault.

I'm not judging the game at all by that video, but by the information from their forums of which I am a member over there.  There are elements to this game that I do not find fun, a few being corpse runs, and a focus on forced grouping and raiding, along with 20 minute travel times of which makes up for 1/4 of my total gaming time in the evening after work. 

As for the video, the status quo is that a game will produce really cool movies that do not have actual in-game footage until after they get their graphics tweaked enough to give a good impression.  If Vanguard plans on tweaking their graphics more, they should not have "unveiled" the in-game footage with examples of stiff animation but instead should have waited to release a vid with in-game footage AFTER the tweaking.

Obviously, this conversation is going to degenerate quickly between the nay-sayers and the fan-bois.  I'm somewhere in the middle.  I think it will be a great game for some, and a sucky game for others.  I just happen to be on the side that lives in "casual gamer" world because of RL career and family where spending 1/4 of my gaming time on travel, corpse runs, and waiting around for a raid to form  is an incredible waste of time when I could be questing immediately in another game.

Vanguard won't suck for everyone and it won't be a "bad game" for a lot of people.  It will suck for people like me.  This video, on the other hand, very poorly marketing choice on SOE's part to make in-game footage looks so poor.

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Originally posted by scaramoosh

• Use the same music for everything they do, it's boring make something new
• Graphics are generic
• World looks boring
• The animations suck
• The models of people an mobs look horrid
• The horses have the wrong clothes on them, too long.

Looks crap tbh.

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Originally posted by Gonodil

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Originally posted by remyburke

And to the above fanboy poster. It's true, gameplay is more important than graphics, but what happens when the graphics AND gameplay both suck equally?

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maybe you should try READING my posts before calling me a fanboy? Stupid

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Originally posted by Gonodil

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Originally posted by Gerec

Where did I ever say I judged VG on graphics? Everyone was bitching about the graphics so I talked about the graphics. Didn't I also mention, though, the diplomacy system and the necro pet? Those are gameplay features. Are you a beta tester? Because you seem to be judging the game as if you know it. And yet the diplomacy system isn't even out yet.

Stop judging people as if you know them. Do you have any clue if I am "naive and inexperienced?" Do you have any clue if I am even judging the game on its graphics? No. 

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Your talk of the necro pet IS you promoting the game based on graphics.

What I've seen of the deplomacy system sucks, maybe they will redo it, but im not keeping my hopes up.

And if you arent bright enough to figure out why I'm talking about the game like I know it, that's not my fault.

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