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  KenshuAni

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8/04/06 7:24:40 PM#21

Originally posted by tillamook

I like what Fishermagi had to say about it. Wait for Wepps to spawn in the thread anytime now

http://soe.lithium.com/swg/board/message?board.id=swggpdiscussion&message.id=1042505#M1042505



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  almagill

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8/04/06 7:25:46 PM#22

Originally posted by tillamook

lol, he updated it now

UPDATE:

Now see, this is just the sort of thing I’ve been talking about. Ya get misunderstood, post a clarification, that get’s misunderstood, so you gotta post a clarification to that, and on and on forever. Better off just leaving the misunderstood thing out there and letting people assign their own meanings to it.

Don’t try to read so closely between the lines that you fail read the lines themselves.

All I’m saying here is: When I wrote “I looked at what this guy designed” it should never have been interpreted to mean “I designed that and everything else”.

But it was taken to mean just that. Seems a little crazy to me.

So I finally wrote that it shouldn’t have been taken that way (since it keeps getting trotted out and about) and now some folks are taking that to mean something other that just what it says.
C’mon now.


Oh Jeff, Jeff, Jeff.

You tried to be so clever with your first post. It was kind of fun reading it today and thinking 'hmm, does he really mean SWG? I guess he does, but he can't say that or they'll shut his nadgers in the drawer and let Smed slam it shut...'  And it's good to see you work with metaphor.

But seriously, even if we accept that you didn't design the thing, you just looked at the plans and answered honestly 'yes it can' when you were sked if it *could* be built, you can't slopey shoulder the burden because you looked at the idea, you agreed to do the job and, in your own words, you were the guy whose job it was to say 'yes we can do this'.

Really, you should have asked "SHOULD" we do this.

Like I said in another place, it's as if you were called in by the designer to look at the plans for this big mad looking house and he said to you, as a foreman builder, "Can it be built" and you looked and figured it was all just a case of cutting the timber to length and making the right joints and said "Yeah, it could be built".

But you really, really, really should have said "But it looks fugly and the neighbours just aren't going to like it".

One way or another you chose not to say that and just got on with building it.

Now the designer and the builder and the other guy are having a bit of a public cat fight over who was most to blame.  Ugly.


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  chlaos

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8/04/06 7:42:45 PM#23

Originally posted by Cola

Looks like the dogs are turning on each other.

I love it.

Grab a cold one, sit back and watch it implode.

Its great to see them start pointing fingers like the cowards they are.


The whole thing brings to mind the picture of a bunch of roaches scurrying for cover when the light is turned on in the middle of the night......(the aforementioned vision is purely hypothetical, I in no way have a house full of roaches, nor have I designed a house that would accomadate said roaches, built said house, in anyway approved of the building of the house, no matter how fun it would be to live with a bunch of scurrying roaches I have had nothing to do with the theoretical house, unless of course other people want a house of roaches.....No?  Oh, yeah like I said, I had nothing to do with it.)   damn, was that the longest parentheses of all time?  

"The man who exchanges Liberty for Iconic classes is a fool deserving of neither." - Me and Ben Franklin

  Uberman

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Joined: 6/13/06
Posts: 340

Talk to the kitty.

8/04/06 8:16:31 PM#24

Originally posted by chlaos

Originally posted by Cola

Looks like the dogs are turning on each other.

I love it.

Grab a cold one, sit back and watch it implode.

Its great to see them start pointing fingers like the cowards they are.


The whole thing brings to mind the picture of a bunch of roaches scurrying for cover when the light is turned on in the middle of the night......(the aforementioned vision is purely hypothetical, I in no way have a house full of roaches, nor have I designed a house that would accomadate said roaches, built said house, in anyway approved of the building of the house, no matter how fun it would be to live with a bunch of scurrying roaches I have had nothing to do with the theoretical house, unless of course other people want a house of roaches.....No?  Oh, yeah like I said, I had nothing to do with it.)   damn, was that the longest parentheses of all time?  


That got an out-loud laugh from me.  Good job. 
  chlaos

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8/04/06 9:56:06 PM#25

Originally posted by Uberman

Originally posted by chlaos

Originally posted by Cola

Looks like the dogs are turning on each other.

I love it.

Grab a cold one, sit back and watch it implode.

Its great to see them start pointing fingers like the cowards they are.


The whole thing brings to mind the picture of a bunch of roaches scurrying for cover when the light is turned on in the middle of the night......(the aforementioned vision is purely hypothetical, I in no way have a house full of roaches, nor have I designed a house that would accomadate said roaches, built said house, in anyway approved of the building of the house, no matter how fun it would be to live with a bunch of scurrying roaches I have had nothing to do with the theoretical house, unless of course other people want a house of roaches.....No?  Oh, yeah like I said, I had nothing to do with it.)   damn, was that the longest parentheses of all time?  


That got an out-loud laugh from me.  Good job. 

/bow     Thank you....Thank you....Thank you  very much.   

"The man who exchanges Liberty for Iconic classes is a fool deserving of neither." - Me and Ben Franklin

  Rabia

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Joined: 1/31/06
Posts: 627

Not to worry, Master, we are still flying *half* a ship.

8/04/06 11:19:21 PM#26

Originally posted by chlaos

Originally posted by Cola

Looks like the dogs are turning on each other.

I love it.

Grab a cold one, sit back and watch it implode.

Its great to see them start pointing fingers like the cowards they are.


The whole thing brings to mind the picture of a bunch of roaches scurrying for cover when the light is turned on in the middle of the night......(the aforementioned vision is purely hypothetical, I in no way have a house full of roaches, nor have I designed a house that would accomadate said roaches, built said house, in anyway approved of the building of the house, no matter how fun it would be to live with a bunch of scurrying roaches I have had nothing to do with the theoretical house, unless of course other people want a house of roaches.....No?  Oh, yeah like I said, I had nothing to do with it.)   damn, was that the longest parentheses of all time?  

OMG OMG OMG this is great!
  haxxjoo

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Joined: 5/11/05
Posts: 933

You have destroyed your forums with stupid censorship and I no longer view your opinions as unbiast.

8/05/06 12:29:32 AM#27

Tis sad because the NGE isn't a bad idea.  An fps mmo based on star wars that is tighter with stronger content for professions and stronger gcw base isn't a bad concept.

The implimentation and rushed nature of the nge is a disaster on the scale of the titantic.  If I was to place blame for the nge's failure it would be on the rushed nature of the system.  Oh well it appears to little to late for soe. 

Just remember I pointed that out to you about the cu and the nge.  NOT READY FOR RELEASE.  That phrase is key.  If you feel something is ready say so.  I have learned that alot in IT.

  chlaos

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8/05/06 12:52:14 AM#28

Originally posted by Rabia

Originally posted by chlaos

Originally posted by Cola

Looks like the dogs are turning on each other.

I love it.

Grab a cold one, sit back and watch it implode.

Its great to see them start pointing fingers like the cowards they are.


The whole thing brings to mind the picture of a bunch of roaches scurrying for cover when the light is turned on in the middle of the night......(the aforementioned vision is purely hypothetical, I in no way have a house full of roaches, nor have I designed a house that would accomadate said roaches, built said house, in anyway approved of the building of the house, no matter how fun it would be to live with a bunch of scurrying roaches I have had nothing to do with the theoretical house, unless of course other people want a house of roaches.....No?  Oh, yeah like I said, I had nothing to do with it.)   damn, was that the longest parentheses of all time?  

OMG OMG OMG this is great!


The saddest thing is that SOE, like roaches, may be the only thing to survive a nuclear war.  This is evidenced by their apparent survival of the greatest calamity of all time.......surely, I dont have to say it.....allright, allright, obviously im referring to the NGE....there are you happy? ......typing that took a year off my already shortened life, so I hope you enjoyed it....Oh, and fuck NGE and fuck SOE, and fuck anyone who stands up for that crap....(and I dont mean fuck in the good way)......

"The man who exchanges Liberty for Iconic classes is a fool deserving of neither." - Me and Ben Franklin

  chlaos

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Posts: 1120

8/05/06 12:55:13 AM#29

Originally posted by KenshuAni

Originally posted by tillamook

I like what Fishermagi had to say about it. Wait for Wepps to spawn in the thread anytime now

http://soe.lithium.com/swg/board/message?board.id=swggpdiscussion&message.id=1042505#M1042505



Cut and paste is your friend

Fish is usually pretty dead on with his obversations, though I have to question how he is still playing that POS....

"The man who exchanges Liberty for Iconic classes is a fool deserving of neither." - Me and Ben Franklin

  dookseid

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Joined: 7/05/06
Posts: 283

...and then this crap came shootin'' out of a wooden tube and I was all like "WTF!!" Kirk sploitz!

8/05/06 4:46:48 AM#30

Originally posted by Concord7

http://soe.lithium.com/swg/board/message?board.id=swggpdiscussion&message.id=1042414#M1042414

From the official forum->

This has just appeared on Jeff Freemans blog. It seems that he's not to blame for the NGE, the mystery deepens..


08.04.06Reading comprehension

Posted in Personal at 12:14 am by Dundee

If someone else (i.e. not you) designs a house and asks you to come look at their design, then it is not your design, no matter how long you look at it, no matter what you think of it. And you didn’t “come up with it” even if you like it.

If someone else asks if it is possible to build, and you say “Yes, that is possible,” then that is not the same as “pushing” or “selling” or “demanding that your design be built”.

No matter how many times they ask “Are you sure?” and no matter how many times you answer the question, and no matter even what you think of the design: it is not your design (keep up now, we just covered that) and even if it were your design, that’s not “pushing your design” but is, rather, answering a question.

If it is possible and you say it is not possible even though you know it is possible, then you are a filthy liar.

If they say “Ok, build that house” and you join a team of builders who all work hard to build the house then it is still not your design, you didn’t build it single-handedly, you didn’t shove it down anyone’s throat and it wasn’t your decision to build it.

If you make claims to the contrary then you are a filthy liar.

I’m not talking about anything in particular, I’m just sayin’.



Well, we have a guy here at work whose line is worth quoting here.

Everytime the shit is about to hit the fan he just get a smirk on his face and mumbles..

"yep,  just gets curiouser and curiouser..."

  Rekrul

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Joined: 2/09/06
Posts: 2963

8/05/06 5:02:45 AM#31

Originally posted by haxxjoo

Just remember I pointed that out to you about the cu and the nge.  NOT READY FOR RELEASE.  That phrase is key.  If you feel something is ready say so.  I have learned that alot in IT.



Actually, IT is one of the few areas where you can push out incomplete stuff your entire lifetime and not think twice about it.

Medical profession (made up):
- Yea, we removed the spleen, we'll sew this poor sob together next week
- Oh, his skull is cracked open? Yea, give him 2 aspirins, book him in 12 weeks

Engineering (non-software, made up)
- Yea, the plane is almost complete, but engines are working so-so. Just sign it off.
- Our new super-tanker is great. Only the tanks are still leaking, but dirt will close those openings
- We're currently building a 5000 people residential complex. But we're lacking reinforced concrete and rebar, so we're using wet clay and bamboo sticks
- What do you mean toaster isn't grounded? Patch the ground wire to the metal casing.

Software and IT (this is what it really looks like):
- Daily backups? Sorry, after paying Oracle $250,000 for 3 software licenses, we can't afford to buy 20 tapes for $49.99 each
- Yes, we use automated testing. All of our software is compiled daily.
- You lost a year's worth of data? Unfortunately, this is a known problem with our product. We expect that to be fixed in upcoming release
- 1294 unresolved bug reports? Did we meet the dead-line on features? We did? Ship it.
- You want us to change the icon of the application? This will cost you $58,800 and will be delivered in 7 weeks.
- Your central air-traffic control system is exhibiting issues? That's a known problem with Microsoft Windows, make sure to reboot the computer at least once a week (this one is real, from LAX I think)
- What do you mean the $1 bil oil platform sank? We used computers to design it. (real as well, after the engineers failed to acknowledge a rounding error in their software)

No industry is as tolerant of crap as IT.


  User Deleted
8/05/06 6:04:45 AM#32
Who at SOE would take responsiblity for the NGE?  and can he or she be burnt at the stake for their witchcraft?
  Shayde

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Posts: 4550

The game isn’t designed to keep people playing." - Smed

NOW you realize that! - Shayde

8/05/06 1:37:46 PM#33
Oh my GOD this is a hoot. There's no reason I should find it on page two.

Denial's not a river in Egypt, Jeff. You championed the nge, now you're saying it wasn't YOUR idea. Come on man.. grow some stones and man up.

Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.


It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled :( - Some deluded SWG fanboi who pities me.
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
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  chlaos

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8/05/06 5:47:18 PM#34
Why is brenlo's post getting so much more play than this?   To me, the creator of the NGE denying his involvement is a bigger story.....  /shrug

"The man who exchanges Liberty for Iconic classes is a fool deserving of neither." - Me and Ben Franklin

  Shayde

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Joined: 9/26/05
Posts: 4550

The game isn’t designed to keep people playing." - Smed

NOW you realize that! - Shayde

8/05/06 11:08:15 PM#35

Originally posted by chlaos
Why is brenlo's post getting so much more play than this?   To me, the creator of the NGE denying his involvement is a bigger story.....  /shrug
Yup.. I'm shocked as well. More of a smoking gun than either other post.

Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.


It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled :( - Some deluded SWG fanboi who pities me.
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
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  zoey121

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8/05/06 11:47:56 PM#36
The "Man" ,may have pushed approved of the crud for Novemeber but as it has been stated the player base was all forgotten about for those players "over there"
 I wonder if he will put swg designer on  his resume? If any of them will?
If all are so quick to deny who did what then where does that leave nge? another turn around slated?
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