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J0kerr1 Novice Member Joined: 1/04/06 Posts: 251	7/25/06 10:59:36 PM#461 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Just the facts....people democrats are not willing to look at the facts because they want to see Jews killed, America lose the war, and Bush fail.
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J0kerr1 Novice Member Joined: 1/04/06 Posts: 251	7/25/06 10:59:37 PM#462 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Just the facts....people democrats are not willing to look at the facts because they want to see Jews killed, America lose the war, and Bush fail.
ThomasHolm Novice Member Joined: 3/27/05 Posts: 34	7/25/06 11:11:31 PM#463 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by Anofalye Originally posted by ThomasHolm Europe is not on the same continent as the war. The Iraq war and the Israeli-Lebanon conflict are both in Asia. Turkie want to join the EU and has a border with both, the EU and the Leban. Leban is on the Mediterranean sea as well as Israel. Israel and Leban where part of the Roman Empire while many members of the EU where never. This conflict is extremely close to EU. Turkey will have to wait a long time before joining the EU. Its civil liberties and human rights record are still too bad. See the oppression of the Kurds as one example of that. Also they are still denying the Armenian genocide. The Roman Empire point is correct, though I admit that I fail to see its importance here. Lebanon and Iraq were also part of the Mongol Empire, yet you don't see Mongolia fretting over it. The EU btw, especially France, is very nvolved. It was left to the French President, Jacques Chirac, to call most clearly for a ceasefire, a resumption of Israeli-Palestinian negotiations, and the implementation of Resolution 1559, “on the clear understanding—and all the Lebanese have to understand and recognize this— that there cannot be a politically stable Lebanon shouldering her responsibilities and pursuing her development, a democratic Lebanon, if part of her territory is occupied by militia who do not obey the central Lebanese government.”
ThomasHolm Novice Member Joined: 3/27/05 Posts: 34	7/25/06 11:17:11 PM#464 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by J0kerr1 *Just the facts....people democrats* are not willing to look at the facts because they want to see Jews killed, America lose the war, and Bush fail.** Well, I have sofar resented a lot of facts. Each and everyone one of which is on public record like the statements of US WMD envoy Kay, former Republican StateSec Powell, UN WMD envoy Hans Blix, etc. You on the other hand have sofar only brought insults. I look forward to reading your facts. A debate is a give-and-take, a presentation of different points-of-view, of different facts. It is not a collection of only 'Yes'-sayers.
J0kerr1 Novice Member Joined: 1/04/06 Posts: 251	7/25/06 11:18:30 PM#465 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by ThomasHolm Originally posted by J0kerr1 *Just the facts....people democrats* are not willing to look at the facts because they want to see Jews killed, America lose the war, and Bush fail.** Well, I have sofar resented a lot of facts. Each and everyone one of which is on public record like the statements of US WMD envoy Kay, former Republican StateSec Powell, UN WMD envoy Hans Blix, etc. You on the other hand have sofar only brought insults. I look forward to reading your facts. A debate is a give-and-take, a presentation of different points-of-view, of different facts. It is not a collection of only 'Yes'-sayers. Regardless of what facts I give you, you will drink your cool aid and hope to see dead Jews, losing Americans, and a failed Bush. What is the point of telling you anything. Now do me a favor and go to the fridge and pur yourself a nice big glass of cool-aid.
ThomasHolm Novice Member Joined: 3/27/05 Posts: 34	7/25/06 11:29:48 PM#466 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by J0kerr1 ... Regardless of what facts I give you, you will drink your cool aid and hope to see dead Jews, losing Americans, and a failed Bush. What is the point of telling you anything. Now do me a favor and go to the fridge and pur yourself a nice big glass of cool-aid. In other words, you have no facts and again prefer to insult me rather than to answer me. By the way, I don't drink CoolAid, too many chemicals. I do not hope to see dead jews, my people risked a lot dring WWII to save them. I equally don't want to see losing or dead Americans, life is too precious a commodity. As for President Bush, I don't hope to see him fail, he has already failed. His behaviour at the G8 meeting was a clear indicator of that. I by the way suggest that you in support of your words go see your local US Army Recruiter. For Canton, MA the closest is: NORWOOD, 372 Washington Street Westwood, MA 02090, 781-251-0122
J0kerr1 Novice Member Joined: 1/04/06 Posts: 251	7/25/06 11:31:58 PM#467 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by ThomasHolm Originally posted by J0kerr1 ... Regardless of what facts I give you, you will drink your cool aid and hope to see dead Jews, losing Americans, and a failed Bush. What is the point of telling you anything. Now do me a favor and go to the fridge and pur yourself a nice big glass of cool-aid. In other words, you have no facts and again prefer to insult me than to answer me. By the way, I don't drink CoolAid, too many chemicals. I do not hope to see dead jews, my people risked a lot dring WWII to save them. I equally don't want to see losing or dead Americans, life is too precious a commodity. As for President Bush, I don't hope to see him fail, he has already failed. His behaviour at the G8 meeting was a clear indicator of that. I almost expected you to say that. You want Bush to fail. You'll never admit it. Its also a waste of time for me to give you the facts. You'll say they are wrong and hate Bush anyway and you will hate America, and you will want dead Jews. End result of me getting facts for you equals nothing. You are the very definition of a cool aid drinker. No make sure to drink only the cool aid your leader told you to drink.
Anofalye Apprentice Member Joined: 11/19/03 Posts: 7423 The enemy is so dumb! They believe that WE are the enemy! - A famous orc commander.	7/25/06 11:41:30 PM#468 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by ThomasHolm Originally posted by Anofalye Originally posted by ThomasHolm Europe is not on the same continent as the war. The Iraq war and the Israeli-Lebanon conflict are both in Asia. Turkie want to join the EU and has a border with both, the EU and the Leban. Leban is on the Mediterranean sea as well as Israel. Israel and Leban where part of the Roman Empire while many members of the EU where never. This conflict is extremely close to EU. Turkey will have to wait a long time before joining the EU. Its civil liberties and human rights record are still too bad. See the oppression of the Kurds as one example of that. Also they are still denying the Armenian genocide. The Roman Empire point is correct, though I admit that I fail to see its importance here. Lebanon and Iraq were also part of the Mongol Empire, yet you don't see Mongolia fretting over it. Both of these points where simply to underline that even if "not on the same continent", they are VERY close...1 country away at most...and they even share the same government (Roman Empire) as most of Europe at one moment in history. Roman legacy is heavy in many ways. Leban and Israel are very close to EU. I have no doubts that Turkie won't access EU, the Greeks can veto it anyway. Just making sure they doesn't veto is a task in itself. The distance between the most-western part of Europe and Leban is smaller than some Canadian provinces. VERY close. This area of the world is "Asia" in the book, but honestly, it is "Asia-Europe-Africa", all 3 of these. Anyway, where does Europe ends exactly in Russia? On the world map, a big part of Europe in Ukraine and Russia is more eastern than Leban or Israel, yet nobody will argue that Ukraine is in Europe, not in Asia. This is like putting a border and saying: Central America...very hard to justify. From a land point of view at least. When we learn continents, we learn North America and South America...we never learn of Central America as a continent, yet it doesn't belong in North America nor in South America...so where does it exactly belong since it isn't a continent? Side note...didn't Vichy France and Free France kill each other in Leban in WW2? - "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - René Levesque about the denial NO on the poll to his dream, project and goal. (Free translation)
ThomasHolm Novice Member Joined: 3/27/05 Posts: 34	7/25/06 11:58:08 PM#469 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) ... Both of these points where simply to underline that even if "not on the same continent", they are VERY close...1 country away at most...and they even share the same government (Roman Empire) as most of Europe at one moment in history. Roman legacy is heavy in many ways. Leban and Israel are very close to EU. I have no doubts that Turkie won't access EU, the Greeks can veto it anyway. Just making sure they doesn't veto is a task in itself. The distance between the most-western part of Europe and Leban is smaller than some Canadian provinces. VERY close. This area of the world is "Asia" in the book, but honestly, it is "Asia-Europe-Africa", all 3 of these. Anyway, where does Europe ends exactly in Russia? On the world map, a big part of Europe in Ukraine and Russia is more eastern than Leban or Israel, yet nobody will argue that Ukraine is in Europe, not in Asia. This is like putting a border and saying: Central America...very hard to justify. From a land point of view at least. When we learn continents, we learn North America and South America...we never learn of Central America as a continent, yet it doesn't belong in North America nor in South America...so where does it exactly belong since it isn't a continent? Side note...didn't Vichy France and Free France kill each other in Leban in WW2? Europe ends around the Ural Mountain range, that's the continental divide. A small part of Turkey, old Thracia, is actually European, the rest is Asian. Btw, here in Europe, America is still often regarded as one continent. Vichy France and de Gaulle's Free France faught each other in many French colonies. I know mainly of the conflicts in West Africa though, esp. Senegal where de Gaulle won. As for Lebanon and Syria, they were invaded by British and Australian troops after an Iraqi revolt in June 1941. (History so likes to repeat itself. Or are it the historians?)
Arcken Apprentice Member Joined: 8/14/04 Posts: 2577 Lets face it, MMOs today are turning into single player console games with a chat box included.	7/26/06 1:54:57 AM#470 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by robbykl1415 I really dont know why anyone who is remotly intelligent is surprised by this move....it plays right into the plan of the U.S. gov and its allies. The cards are falling on the table just as the U.S. wants. How much longer can we allow this to go on unchecked? Are we going to allow this facist gov to lead us down this path of destruction? There has to be somthing we can do....And for all you out there who still are in denial about or gov and its intentions please just open up your eyes for a few mins. Just read this post or watch the news with an open mind FOR TWO F**** SECONDS! The news, although being the 4th branch of the gov, gives you all you need to know. All you must do it connect the dots. I know it takes some brain power, but you can do it trust me. Just think about for a sec.....first we get a military stronghold in the Middle East by taking Afghanistan and Iraq. That was justified by a "terrorist" attack by this unseen and unheard of enemy that no one ever knew about till 9/11. Now whether that was an inside job or not does not matter. So we get a foot in the Middle East. Now our allie, more like puppet, Israel has attacked Lebanon over a captured soldier. now come on, WHO THE F* STARTS A WAR OVER ONE HOSTAGE? This is only the beggining of the bigger plan. Now Israel is in a war with Lebanon, and who does Lebanon gets its weapons from? Iran and Syria!! So why is the American gov so agaisnt a peace treaty with Lebanon and Israel? Because now we have an reason to take one over one of the largest OIL producing countries in the WORLD! Syria is a side note. Although to tell the truth, Lebanon has more Syrian weapons than from any other country. Now the Amercian gov will connect this Hezbollah to Iran just as they did with Iraq and Osama. And then what? Where to next for this fascist, imperialistic, immoral, terrorist gov? I just hope someone will stand up for all the people who die everyday cause of this ignorant gov. Show me a country that doesnt look out for its own self intrests. Show me one country in the entire existance of man that has clean hands and that never has butchered the innocent for one reason or another. Get off your podium.
baff Novice Member Joined: 5/22/05 Posts: 9470	7/26/06 4:40:07 AM#471 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by J0kerr1 Iraq War was started for 21 reasons. Many people don't know that. They think it was just one. And that one, by the way, Saddaim (spelling) himself thought he had weapons. Here are the 11 Bush mentioned in his speeches. 1. To Prevent the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction 2. Regime Change 3. Further the war on the Terror 4. Becasue of Iraq's violations of UN resolutions 5. Because of Saddam Hussein's evil dictatorship and actions 6. Becasue of a lack of weapons inspections in Iraq 7. To liberate Iraq 8. Because of Iraq's links to al Qaeda 9. Because Iraq was an imminent threat 10. To disarm Iraq 11. Hussein was a threat to the region The problem I have with people looking at the past of the region is that they are using it to justify bad actions. They are saying that terrorists have a right to attack and kil Jews because of the past. Thats not what history should be used for. It should be used to learn not justify evil. Sucker.
Infliction Novice Member Joined: 6/28/03 Posts: 1110	7/26/06 4:42:04 AM#472 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by J0kerr1 Iraq War was started for 21 reasons. Many people don't know that. They think it was just one. And that one, by the way, Saddaim (spelling) himself thought he had weapons. Here are the 11 Bush mentioned in his speeches. 1. To Prevent the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction 2. Regime Change 3. Further the war on the Terror 4. Becasue of Iraq's violations of UN resolutions 5. Because of Saddam Hussein's evil dictatorship and actions 6. Becasue of a lack of weapons inspections in Iraq 7. To liberate Iraq 8. Because of Iraq's links to al Qaeda 9. Because Iraq was an imminent threat 10. To disarm Iraq 11. Hussein was a threat to the region The problem I have with people looking at the past of the region is that they are using it to justify bad actions. They are saying that terrorists have a right to attack and kil Jews because of the past. Thats not what history should be used for. It should be used to learn not justify evil. Or does the Iraq war continue with 21 excuses? Think on that for a bit.
baff Novice Member Joined: 5/22/05 Posts: 9470	7/26/06 4:44:56 AM#473 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by ThomasHolm Europe is not on the same continent as the war. The Iraq war and the Israeli- I'd be less worried about the € and more about Beijing. If China starts calling in those Federal Bonds and the US has nothing to pay them back with, China will be in its right to confiscate any collateral the US might have used to secure those Federal Bonds, i.e. gold reserves, land, etc. China is a red herring, the U.S.'s biggest investors are Britian and Japan. China won't be "confiscating" anything off the U.S. No one will. What China can do is buy up American assets as the dollar gets weak. As can we all. Or worse just cease trading, (which would probably trigger a war).
baff Novice Member Joined: 5/22/05 Posts: 9470	7/26/06 4:48:26 AM#474 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by J0kerr1 *Just the facts....people democrats* are not willing to look at the facts because they want to see Jews killed, America lose the war, and Bush fail.** Wow, what a great and insightful reason to hate the whole planet.
baff Novice Member Joined: 5/22/05 Posts: 9470	7/26/06 4:54:32 AM#475 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by Anofalye Both of these points where simply to underline that even if "not on the same continent", they are VERY close...1 country away at most...and they even share the same government (Roman Empire) as most of Europe at one moment in history. Roman legacy is heavy in many ways. Leban and Israel are very close to EU. I have no doubts that Turkie won't access EU, the Greeks can veto it anyway. Just making sure they doesn't veto is a task in itself. The only thing stopping Turkish accession to the EU is the Germans who hate them. Turkish immigration and cheap labour is a big problem for them. Israel and Lebanon were part of the turkish Empire and after WW1 divided up between Britain and France. Britain in Israel, France in Lebanon. Both countries still take an intrest in the region. Greece can't veto anything. Not if it wants it's subsidies to continue.
J0kerr1 Novice Member Joined: 1/04/06 Posts: 251	7/26/06 6:06:30 AM#476 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by baff Originally posted by J0kerr1 *Just the facts....people democrats* are not willing to look at the facts because they want to see Jews killed, America lose the war, and Bush fail.** Wow, what a great and insightful reason to hate the whole planet. No, just the Democrats who hate the US, hate Jews and will say anything to make Bush look bad. Just like a previous enrty that said 21 excuses for war, that is a prime example of what I am talking about. Also, remember, some of the reasons overlap to us but if you took that to a lawyer, the lawyer would say the verbage is different and each one covers a different angle of the problem. Democrats have just started nay saying anything Bush does because they hate him. If he wants to kill terrorists, they become freedom fighters. If he wants to help the Jews, the Jews are commiting war crimes. If he wants to veto something, vetos are wrong (even though Clinton did it). Do you see the hate the left has? Its blinding them and they are willing to see America fall to see Bush fall. All they want is power and they are willing to give the cool-aid drinkers lies to doit. Thats why I hate Democrats.
tetsul Apprentice Member Joined: 4/19/06 Posts: 1023	7/26/06 6:23:38 AM#477 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by Anofalye Originally posted by ThomasHolm Europe is not on the same continent as the war. The Iraq war and the Israeli-Lebanon conflict are both in Asia. Turkie want to join the EU and has a border with both, the EU and the Leban. Leban is on the Mediterranean sea as well as Israel. Israel and Leban where part of the Roman Empire while many members of the EU where never. This conflict is extremely close to EU. Turkey doesn't share a border with Lebanon, it shares it with Syria. Not that it's an improvement. Now I'm leaving again because it's quite clear J0kerr is an idiot and I can't be bothered.
baff Novice Member Joined: 5/22/05 Posts: 9470	7/26/06 6:31:26 AM#478 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) You are a very paranoid person. Bush has nothing to do with why people don't like Israeli's. The reason they don't agree with the Iraq war is not because they want to get elected or hate Bush. (The Democrats were up for the Iraq war too). The Democrats are not willing to see America fall. Their methods may differ, but their goals are the same. . The reason you use the word "hate" so much is because that's how you view world. Hate filled.
J0kerr1 Novice Member Joined: 1/04/06 Posts: 251	7/26/06 6:43:16 AM#479 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by baff You are a very paranoid person. Bush has nothing to do with why people don't like Israeli's. The reason they don't agree with the Iraq war is not because they want to get elected or hate Bush. (The Democrats were up for the Iraq war too). The Democrats are not willing to see America fall. Their methods may differ, but their goals are the same. . The reason you use the word "hate" so much is because that's how you view world. Hate filled. If Democrats are willing to compromise why do they keep spreading lies about Bush and going against anything and everthing that he says? I am middle of the road, I am very liberial depending on the topic, or very conservative on other topics. I just see the Democrat party as a bunch of nay sayers who have no real plan for anything except to be united under their hatred for Bush and this country. They don't want to better anything they just want power.
J0kerr1 Novice Member Joined: 1/04/06 Posts: 251	7/26/06 7:54:29 AM#480 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) By saying I am a hate filled person is just a dismissive statement. Its an attempt to make me wrong without proving me wrong. I've seen that tactic before.