What I'm about to say is probably going to get me ban, but IDC. I totally hate Muslims. They are cold blooded killers. They have little to no care about themselves or those around them. All they want to do is kill. I don't have to know you and you don't have to know me. All I know is that you hate me and I loathe you. 

This was mention several times before this goes all the way back to Issac and Ishmael.

Hezbollah wanted to go to war. When they kidnapped those soliders, they drew the line. If somebody comes up to you and slaps you in the face. Are you going to turn the other cheek and cry about it, or are you going to grow a set and destroy the aggressor.

Granted it is sad that innocent people are being killed. Israel warned them. Either get out now, or you're going to be caught in a cross fire. regardless, when you have civil unrest, war, or whatever, it's the innocent people that suffer the wrath of both sides.

I hope this conflict is over soon, cause once Syria and Iran, jumps on the band wagon, the Middle east is gong to explode. Once this does, North korea is going to see this as a chance to flex their muscle and Assist them.

So i hope Israel, mops the floor with Hezbollah, infact i hope Israel kills every single of of Hezbollah, Militants.

If lebanon wants this to be over, they need to srat killing Hezbollah militants, instead cowering in the corner.

Hatebreed, there's no need to hate Muslims.  All we see in the news regarding Muslims is about terrorists and extremists.  They are such a small portion of the overall Muslim population that in no way should they even be considered with the general population.

Here's something you must remember.  Most of the countries that have problems with Muslim extremism are countries in the middle east with poor populations and a lot of political corruption.  This is not BECAUSE the populations are Muslim.  Some countries in the Middle East were colonies, territories, or protectorates of other (mostly European) countries before they gained independence.  Those that weren't were often strongly influenced by other countries, or were leftovers from the fall of the Ottoman Empire.  Although it doesn't always happen, many times when former colonies gain independence they are thrown into turmoil. 

We see the same thing in Africa today.  The country that used to control the now independent nation usually sets a government in place before they leave, and many times those governments are either corrupt or largely disliked by the nation's general population.  Any hate towards the former occupiers is released once the country is no longer there, and the goverment is oftentimes toppled because of it.  That's how many civil wars start in the world today, and it takes a VERY long time for peace to return to those countries.  Many colonies that gained independence as far back as before WWII are still having problems with civil war and political unrest. 

In Africa extremists gain support by using politics and saying that a certain group of people are the cause of all their problems (watch the movie Hotel Rwanda).  In the Middle East extremists use religion to sway the masses.  It's a well known fact that people are much more manipulatable when they are in harsh conditions.  It's not just people in the Middle East or Africa that have this problem either.  Ever heard of a guy named Hitler?  He was an extremist, and he took advantage of the horrible conditions of a country by telling the general populations that if they did what he said things would get better.  For a while they did, so he gained more support.  Then, when he had all the support he needed he caused the worst war in this planet's history.  Does that make every German citizen of that time a Nazi extremist who people should hate?  No, it certainly doesn't.  They were just average ordinary people in a dire situation who did what they honestly felt was their best option.  If the rest of the world hadn't let them get that bad in the first place World War II may never have happened.

What people really need to understand is that we can't generalize and stereotype an entire population just because of the actions of a few who may or may not have support.  The average person in the Middle East is no different than the average person in the USA.  They just have to put up with much worse conditions.

What we need to do is help these people, not bomb their homes.  When we do that we're only feeding the fire and give the leaders they choose to follow more ammo to use against us.

Its ironic that Lebanon has a democratic goverment and yet the US isnt running to their defense. Meanwhile Iran gets away with supporting a terrorist group that is trying to distract the world while they develop nuclear weapons.

If Israel was smart, they'd be bombing Iran right now because once they get nuclear weapons watch out

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Originally posted by admriker444

Its ironic that Lebanon has a democratic goverment and yet the US isnt running to their defense. Meanwhile Iran gets away with supporting a terrorist group that is trying to distract the world while they develop nuclear weapons.

If Israel was smart, they'd be bombing Iran right now because once they get nuclear weapons watch out

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Originally posted by Puoltry
TBH i hope they kill each other off.

Im sick and tired of middle east conflict.Gas prices WILL spike within 2 weeks if not sooner and my budget is strained as it is.Israel is just as guilty of being totalitarian towards its neighbors as any other dictator in history.

My point of view is this:

The U.S. needs to begin drilling for the massive oil reserves within our borders and develop alternative forms of energy and let the middle east drown in its oil.

This is only going to get worse folks before it gets better.Im already paying 200 bucks a month in gas and im not sure i can afford much more than that.

To hell with the middle east and opec.(how much clearer can i make it?)

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Originally posted by Puoltry
TBH i hope they kill each other off.

Im sick and tired of middle east conflict.Gas prices WILL spike within 2 weeks if not sooner and my budget is strained as it is.Israel is just as guilty of being totalitarian towards its neighbors as any other dictator in history.

My point of view is this:

The U.S. needs to begin drilling for the massive oil reserves within our borders and develop alternative forms of energy and let the middle east drown in its oil.

This is only going to get worse folks before it gets better.Im already paying 200 bucks a month in gas and im not sure i can afford much more than that.

To hell with the middle east and opec.(how much clearer can i make it?)

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The US government has been hoarding and sitting on their own oil for centuries, why would they start now? They are waiting for shit in the middle east to get so out of control, the rest of the world gives up and turns to the US for their oil. The money comes rolling in, US government once again can add another point in the "savior of the world" tally.

I live in Virginia, and recently there was a massive oil spot found about 100 or so miles off the coast, but the government wont allow drilling for some unknown reason. Gas is around $2.93 for regular here, and im sure its gonna go up now that a bunch of ports in Lebanon have been blown.

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There's been a plethora of reasons listed as to why we won't drill more on our own soil. EPA is one. Gore and his econauts are another. Hoarding is another reason (though we've got a LONG way to go till the US would be the sole source of oil in the world. China and Russia alone got a ways to go before they're "out".

Truth be told the US doesn't get the majority of it's oil from OPEC. An excerpt from http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/saudigas.asp if you are bored.

Although the message quoted above doesn't address where (outside of the Middle East) we import oil from, many people come away from reading it with the mistaken impression that most of the USA's crude oil is imported from the Middle East. It isn't. According to some recent figures regarding crude oil imports, only 31% of the USA's imports came from Arab OPEC countries (Algeria, Iraq, Kuwait, Qatar, Saudi Arabia) in January 2002. The top six countries (by percentage of total USA imports) supplying crude oil to the USA in January 2002 were:

I'm sure that fact that we get 14.4% from Venezuela isn't helping anything right now with the wild crawfish that Hugo Chavez has up his rear end now.

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Originally posted by OneMuslim

Including People from Various Gulf countries and Sham Countries and other Arab, Muslims and Non-Muslims.

The nice thing is that no one here gave a damn about this issue, i mean look at what happens in these boards when Israel get attacked or USA or Canada get attacked, but when an Arab country get attacked no one mentions a single word about it.

Personally, I do care. I wouldn't be watching CNN most of my waking hours. I think Israel could show a little restraint, yes. But Hezbolah is just as much to blame. Of course, I find it convenient that the very day the Israeli soldiers were kidnapped happens to coincide with the day Iran, a major fiscal funding source for Hezbolah, had to respond to the UN about their "nuclear" status.

Well there now you have it, Israel going on a rampage attacking everyone around them, and then they expect no one to retaliate, and whoever retaliates is deemed terrorist.

Everyone around them? Everyone being areas in Southern Lebanon are Beruit International Airport? They didn't even open direct fire on the Hamas insurgents in gaza who blew open the locked gate with RPGs. You're concept of EVERYONE seems a bit screwed if you ask me. The Lebonese army hasn't attacked Israel, Hezbolah has. The ONLY people the Israelis are calling "terrorists" are the terrorists. The same two groups labelled as terrorists by the US and the UN.

Expect WW3 soon friends :}

And expect Israel to lose in it.

I do expect it soon. You have your scriptures that say Israel will lose in "prohecies", I have mine that say it's going to be a pretty little repeat of the 6-day War. Of course, right now I saw watch Damascus. If it's heavily attacked it will differentiate this Middle East War from the others. Then again, I wouldn't be shocked if someone randomly shows up and signs a 7 year treaty with Israel...if I am still here to see it.

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Originally posted by Malachi1975

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Originally posted by Spathotan

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Originally posted by Puoltry

The U.S. needs to begin drilling for the massive oil reserves within our borders and develop alternative forms of energy and let the middle east drown in its oil.

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I live in Virginia, and recently there was a massive oil spot found about 100 or so miles off the coast, but the government wont allow drilling for some unknown reason. Gas is around $2.93 for regular here, and im sure its gonna go up now that a bunch of ports in Lebanon have been blown.

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Truth be told the US doesn't get the majority of it's oil from OPEC. An excerpt from http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/saudigas.asp if you are bored.

Although the message quoted above doesn't address where (outside of the Middle East) we import oil from, many people come away from reading it with the mistaken impression that most of the USA's crude oil is imported from the Middle East. It isn't. According to some recent figures regarding crude oil imports, only 31% of the USA's imports came from Arab OPEC countries (Algeria, Iraq, Kuwait, Qatar, Saudi Arabia) in January 2002. The top six countries (by percentage of total USA imports) supplying crude oil to the USA in January 2002 were:

Saudi Arabia:	16.9%
Mexico:	15.1%
Canada:	15.0%
Venezuela:	14.4%
Iraq:	11.4%
Nigeria:	5.9.%

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Canada's oil production is bound to at least double in the next decade, exploiting sites in Canada require different methods, the oil is not stored in the same way as in middle east, there are PLENTY in Canada, it is technological issues that must be overcome.  They have been overcome and the tests where conclusives, the high up in the US even come last month to see that in Alberta, it was a first.  Basically, oil is in a thick sand. Instead of pumping it up, you have to extract it from sand.

However this 15% seem quite high, yet I have no idea, I am just saying that Canada will more than double it output and the plan is to sell in the US, limit transportation costs. 

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Originally posted by Anofalye

Canada's oil production is bound to at least double in the next decade, exploiting sites in Canada require different methods, the oil is not stored in the same way as in middle east, there are PLENTY in Canada, it is technological issues that must be overcome.  They have been overcome and the tests where conclusives, the high up in the US even come last month to see that in Alberta, it was a first.  Basically, oil is in a thick sand.

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Really? See, now I was completely unaware of that (probably missed it's report on the news amogst everything else we are innundated with). Sweet, I'd LOVE to see the US do more business with Canada on that front than any of the other major providing countries listed in that report.

Thanks for the info, Ano. I am going have to look into that info. I hope you guys really figure something out so process those untapped sources. Of course, I still really hope the world can start to move away from oil in general.

If they hadn't struck first, it wouldn't have happened. The belligerent arabs (not all arabs, but those that are precluding peace) in the region obviously cannot abide by treaties; no peace will exist until they are exterminated.

Go Israel  

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Originally posted by //\\//\\oo

If they hadn't struck first, it wouldn't have happened. The belligerent arabs (not all arabs, but those that are precluding peace) in the region obviously cannot abide by treaties; no peace will exist until they are exterminated.

Go Israel  

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Originally posted by //\\//\\oo

If they hadn't struck first, it wouldn't have happened. The belligerent arabs (not all arabs, but those that are precluding peace) in the region obviously cannot abide by treaties; no peace will exist until they are exterminated.

Go Israel  

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I agree here. If the Lebonese government would crack down on Hezbolah ( though I know that's hard since roughly 20% of their elected officials ARE Hezbolah ) then Israel wouldn't HAVE to take the stance they are.

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Originally posted by Spathotan

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Originally posted by Malachi1975

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Originally posted by //\\//\\oo

If they hadn't struck first, it wouldn't have happened. The belligerent arabs (not all arabs, but those that are precluding peace) in the region obviously cannot abide by treaties; no peace will exist until they are exterminated.

Go Israel  

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I agree here. If the Lebonese government would crack down on Hezbolah ( though I know that's hard since roughly 20% of their elected officials ARE Hezbolah ) then Israel wouldn't HAVE to take the stance they are.

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Isnt that the Lebonese version of the Talliban basically? Also thanks for clearing the oil thing up in my other post.

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Pretty much. They are both "extremist" groups that have worked their way into the legitmate politcal parties. The only difference with the Taliban was that they became the predominant politcal power in Afghanistan, something that could VERY EASILY happen in Lebonon with Hezbolah if not kept in check.

Being 30, I grew up hearing about Hezbolah all through the 80s. The were the Al Queda of my youth. There's just SO many groups out there now that it's getting whacky to keep track. The scary thing in this current Israeli/Hezbolah situation is that Hezbolah and Hamas are marching together, two groups that have spent just as much time killing each other as they have any Isrealis. That's a scary prospect.

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Originally posted by Necran
You guys are all smoking crack right?

America has backed Israel and everything they do for many years, given them tanks, missles and automatic weapons and pretty much said "have fun fella's", i'm sure it must be fun to attack people who can only hurl rocks and insults with modern technology, "but, but, they took a couple hostages!" i can hear you saying, give me a freakin break, your (you're) borderline retarded if you think a small number of hostages that were taken in response to previous attacks by israel meant bombing the living hell out of everyone is justified.

When your (you're) tossing hundreds of bombs daily at some place you obviously don't care if any "hostages" get hit, and if they do you can always claim they were like that before you got there.

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Sorry for the grammar corrections but I do find irony in calling someone "borderline retarded" if you can't distinguish between a contraction and a possessive. Those were the only corrections I opted to point out at this time. Don't get me wrong, I make typos as well, but it really does look like you're living ina  glass house tossing stones. Normally, I wouldn't be that anal-rententive, but when you are going to call someone "borderline retarded" for disagreeing with your OPINION it just begs this sort of scrutiny.

Now to the facts of the matter. Let me get this straight, your logic is that since Hezbolah doesn't have the same technological weaponry as Israel that the Israelis should allow them to arbitrarily toss rockets into Haifa? I'm not sure where you were going with pointing out that the U.S. has been backing Israel with technology, weaponry, and finances for years. This isn't news to anyone, we're allies. This is kind of what allies do. However, I really don't see the relevance of pointing out the technological differences here. Are you telling me that if you owned a gun and a group of people broke into your house wielding knives you wouldn't use the gun to defend yourself? Would you only grab another knife so you didn't wave your technological superiority in their face?

Last I checked Israel wasn't "tossing" bombs at "some place" as they were hitting specific targets. Did they bomb Beruit International Airport? Did they hit several ports in Lebonon? They sure have. Their goal was to cut off supply lines and reinforcements. I can see where you are going with your logic as to whether or not these tagrets are legitimate, but what would you do? Sit back and think "Well, we can't attack that target because there's some civilains around. Sure, there's a ton of Hezbolah hiding there to, but as long as there are civilians around all we can do is hurl profanity at them."? Hezbolah isn't firing rockets at ANY specific targets because they DON'T care who they kill, as long as they are Israeli. Meanwhile, they are hiding behind civilians so the Israelis cannot fire back. Now who's at fault for this issue? The Lebonese government. They need to step up themselves and get Hezbolah out of these locations. If someone was hiding in MY house taking potshots at you I wouldn't sit back and let them stay. I'd kick them out with a vengeance sheerly for the crap they were bringing down on me and mine.

It's very easy for the rest of the world to sit back and judge Israel for their actions, many of which I will agree might be a bit TOO extreme at times. But NONE of us can really fathom what it must feel like being SURROUNDED by groups of people who want every last one of your people dead. Something they have to deal with each and every day. I am quite sure that's gotta put a chip on your shoulder.

Israel has said "We will stop when Hezbolah is broken or disarmed." Hezbolah has said "We will stop when every Israeli is dead." Now which group sounds a bit more extreme to you?

Everyone is horrible.

Love them anyways.

There isn't really much point blaming the Lebanese government.

They don't have the power. Two months ago they were a puppet regime for Syria, now they have been abandoned completely. Anyone who wants to rein in Hezbollah will have to do it themselves.

If it is to stop, someone has to go in and take power. The Israeli's, The Syrians, the British, whoever. Hezbollah is ready to rock. If left to their own devices, that's exactly what they will do.

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America arming Israel. It wasn't just America. The Nukes came from Europe. 

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Originally posted by Spathotan
The US government has been hoarding and sitting on their own oil for centuries, why would they start now? They are waiting for shit in the middle east to get so out of control, the rest of the world gives up and turns to the US for their oil. The money comes rolling in, US government once again can add another point in the "savior of the world" tally.

I live in Virginia, and recently there was a massive oil spot found about 100 or so miles off the coast, but the government wont allow drilling for some unknown reason. Gas is around $2.93 for regular here, and im sure its gonna go up now that a bunch of ports in Lebanon have been blown.

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£5 says you have never seen a foreign country.

 The rest of the world isn't looking at the U.S. to solve every problem. It doesn't have a track record for giving up. And the rest of the world isn't ever going to be looking at the U.S. to supply all it's oil. Quite the opposite.

The U.S. is the worlds greatest poluter and threat to global security. Please don't waste your breath with all this "Savior of the World" nonsense. What you read in comic books and see Bruce Willis do isn't real.

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Originally posted by Malachi1975

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Originally posted by Anofalye

Canada's oil production is bound to at least double in the next decade, exploiting sites in Canada require different methods, the oil is not stored in the same way as in middle east, there are PLENTY in Canada, it is technological issues that must be overcome.  They have been overcome and the tests where conclusives, the high up in the US even come last month to see that in Alberta, it was a first.  Basically, oil is in a thick sand.

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Really? See, now I was completely unaware of that (probably missed it's report on the news amogst everything else we are innundated with). Sweet, I'd LOVE to see the US do more business with Canada on that front than any of the other major providing countries listed in that report.

Thanks for the info, Ano. I am going have to look into that info. I hope you guys really figure something out so process those untapped sources. Of course, I still really hope the world can start to move away from oil in general.

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The process is easy, it's just expensive. As oil prices rise other methods of getting oil become more viable.

Olive oil works as diesal fuel without any adjustment to the engine. You can grow it anywhere, but it's not the cheapest way.

With oil prices so high we can expect new fields to open (ones that were previously economically non viable), and gradually prices will come back down.