Its looking pretty bad now and I know they have always been fighting but the level of hate seems to be at it highest ever. Israel feels threatend and is defending their land but also the Palestinians feel opressed and groups like Hamas and Hezbollah think they are defending their rights and religion. This scenario doesnt make for much negotiating and to make matters worse Iran and Syria have their hands directly in the situation supplying rockets,money and terrorists. Israel is also using very harsh measures that ultimatley kill inocent civillians as well so this tit-for-tat escalation ov violence seems to be spiraling and explanding and the fact Iraq is at an almost civil war with US troops still under heavy presure there. The whole region has a great chance to plunge into chaos sooner than we can imagine and that will cause the whole world to take sides and also influence other rouge/terrorist nations like North Korea and various terrorist camps/bases to cause trouble.

I just dont see this one ending well and hopefully I am dead wrong but the sheer stuborness of people amazes me. I also hope the UN wakes up and actualy does what its suposed to do and prevent wars!

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Originally posted by Slickinfinit

Its looking pretty bad now and I know they have always been fighting but the level of hate seems to be at it highest ever. Israel feels threatend and is defending their land but also the Palestinians feel opressed and groups like Hamas and Hezbollah think they are defending their rights and religion. This scenario doesnt make for much negotiating and to make matters worse Iran and Syria have their hands directly in the situation supplying rockets,money and terrorists. Israel is also using very harsh measures that ultimatley kill inocent civillians as well so this tit-for-tat escalation ov violence seems to be spiraling and explanding and the fact Iraq is at an almost civil war with US troops still under heavy presure there. The whole region has a great chance to plunge into chaos sooner than we can imagine and that will cause the whole world to take sides and also influence other rouge/terrorist nations like North Korea and various terrorist camps/bases to cause trouble.

I just dont see this one ending well and hopefully I am dead wrong but the sheer stuborness of people amazes me. I also hope the UN wakes up and actualy does what its suposed to do and prevent wars!

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Without getting into that rambling anti-american gibberish that usually happens on the Net, the UN motioned to condemn Israels attacks but the US vetoed it since the motion, as they put it, focused only on what Israel is doing. From Reuters:

Ten of the council's 15 member-nations voted in favor of the resolution, while the United States cast the sole "no" vote. Four countries abstained -- Britain, Denmark, Peru and Slovakia.

I don't see how this whole production can get any better. I don't see a right and wrong in this escalation, just the wrong and innocent victims (on both sides). Too bad they can't split both sides into two groups: ones who are bound and determined to kill each other and those who just want to live their lives and don't care about politics.

Edit: Was Reuters, not the AP.

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Originally posted by Slickinfinit

Its looking pretty bad now and I know they have always been fighting but the level of hate seems to be at it highest ever. Israel feels threatend and is defending their land but also the Palestinians feel opressed and groups like Hamas and Hezbollah think they are defending their rights and religion ( so when people think they are defending thier country that makes them terrorists ? how nice ). This scenario doesnt make for much negotiating and to make matters worse Iran and Syria have their hands directly in the situation supplying rockets,money and terrorists. Israel is also using very harsh measures that ultimatley kill inocent civillians as well so this tit-for-tat escalation ov violence seems to be spiraling and explanding ( and this is not terrorism ha? ) and the fact Iraq is at an almost civil war with US troops still under heavy presure there. The whole region has a great chance to plunge into chaos sooner than we can imagine and that will cause the whole world to take sides and also influence other rouge/terrorist nations like North Korea and various terrorist camps/bases to cause trouble.

I just dont see this one ending well and hopefully I am dead wrong but the sheer stuborness of people amazes me. I also hope the UN wakes up and actualy does what its suposed to do and prevent wars!

listen my friend, this thing will not stop believe me, what will truely stop it is the nuke war, and this is exactly what will happen next, and even after that, war will not stop, do you know why? because it's our destiny, to fight the evil doers, so it is up to you to whether join the evil doers, the invaders, and the innocent killers, or the ones who seek to free themselves from oppression.

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problem is isreal its that simple they are two heavy handed and that brings more terrorism

everyone needs to tell them to back off most of all the USA needs to tell them to backoff while i dont agree at all with the kidnapping of the solders killing 50+ civillions is out of order also cutting off civillion suplys is wrong and against the law

as for WWIII I've come to the conclusion that its being planed as we speak, with the inpending oil shortage and china wanting to be a superpower i see the middle east as a toy of the USA and China to fight about north korea is funded by china and china wont tell them to leave the missile test alone. why, because it wants war its the only way to become "top dog"

Alright since the time of Jesus or if you prefer "the bible days", they have been fighting each other like crazy!

the war now still has not stopped *suprise!* and is affecting everyones thinking of whats going to happen

next. before peace there must war that is the way of the humans. If we try to end this peacefully, it will

only provoke them and wage a full scale war all over the world like WW1 and WW2. only after the war will

there be peace but there is truly no peace as long as we're on earth.

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Originally posted by iReki

Alright since the time of Jesus or if you prefer "the bible days", they have been fighting each other like crazy!

the war now still has not stopped *suprise!* and is affecting everyones thinking of whats going to happen

next. before peace there must war that is the way of the humans. If we try to end this peacefully, it will

only provoke them and wage a full scale war all over the world like WW1 and WW2. only after the war will

there be peace but there is truly no peace as long as we're on earth.

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sad but true

i'm glad someone agress with me. And its not only the isralites and the philistines, the jews/christians and

muslims are having a go at it too! man i was born in Indonesia and religion here is eithre your a muslim or a

christian, maybe some non believers but thats it unless you come from another country. A lot of fighting

between the two but Indonesia is already corrupted.

The whole discussion of the war is the biggest topic ever. Ok, look, Bush sent our troops into unknown territory he took the Iraqi leader -big mistake-  and now started a war with the invasion. I doubt there will seriously be a WWIII but it is looking pretty grave. About the nukes: No. We won't ever send nukes because that will trigger the biggest, and only, nuclear warfare our lives will live to see. Trust me, Russia is just waiting for an excuse to nuke someone.

I do hope to expect everyone's troops out of Iraq here in a couple years after Bush's term is over. Here's the scary part. Did you know Bush can run again? He wasn't elected 2 terms. He was appointed to his first! I doubt anyone will vote for him now that he screwed our nation over.

But yeah, the war won't end anytime soon but it won't cause a WWIII.

The whole region has basically been in a state of perpetual war for thousands upon thousands of years.

I say either let em fight it out (as long as they keep it in their own yard), or turn the whole place into a big sheet of glass.

[quote]problem is isreal its that simple they are two heavy handed and that brings more terrorism [/quote]

[quote]i hate religion and feel sorry for the fools that follow it. sometimes i feel they is no hope at all for man untill we move past this dark age of religion we need to be free of it so we can be free to create[/quote]

[quote] Bush sent our troops into unknown territory he took the Iraqi leader -big mistake- [/quote]

No, the mistake was, the soliders didn't have a throw away weapon, and unloaded 5-10 clips into Saddam while they had the chance. That was the mistake.

my friend, you are so wrong that you are blinded. I feel sorry for anybody that dosn't have any type of faith be it, neo pagan, buddist, or catholic. as for you, i feel sorry for you, cause without some type of faith your a shell and a pawn.

The islamic faith is big. infact one scumbag can take out 100 to 1000 people with a right placed dirty bomb, or suicide, bomb.

I'm going to explain something. The Islamic world hates you and  me. They hate us even more cause were not muslims. This is not me being paranoid or anything, it's fact. The reason is getting so much flak is because they are 2 things. Jewish and Democratic. That's why.

And you got f*ck stanins like Iran, Syria, Hamas and the rest of the Muslims and muslim terrorist  that just want to kill. Kill anything and everything, why, they have the RIGHT to kill you and me, according to the their religion, anybody and everybody that doesn't follow the Islamic faith is a infidel.

so ask your self this question, would you rather be forced to be a muslim, or being beheaded for refusing?

As a conculsion, I hope Israel, destorys them, wheres there's nothing left but a smoldering pot hole.

makes me sick that most people goes *Whine* *Whine* It's Israel's fault cause of this *whine* *whine*

or

*Cry* *Cry* Israel that *Cry* *Cry*

As for North Korea and China. Kim Jung-Il is insane. He wants war. He claims he can capture Souel in 2 hours. He has Chemical and Bio Weapons, he will use them if he goes to war, which he wants.

I rather not see the Forgotten War start up again (Korean War - and yes, the war is still going on, it's a a cease fire ATM 50+ years and growing)

If China wants to prove themselves to the worthless UN, they can step up to the plate and tell Kim Jung-Il to cease what he is doing, or They are going to do something.

If WW3 was to break out it would either break out in in Middle East. North korea would Aid whome ever the Axis is.

yea all our worries are at the israel and philistines wen we have bigger problems.. nukes. Like  in the previous

posts, America has a few enemies just waiting for the right time. Canada i dunno about cuz we're with the

united nation and is a peaceful country. even though canada wants to help i harldy think they could do

anything. If America gets nuked, Canada will get their slice of the pie too therfore b**** slaping the UN the do

something. Of course at first they try to make this a peaceful thing but after a while, WW3 will be triggered/. i

hope not though.

I watched t.v. today so don't have a link but the stance of Israel supported by Bush is something to the effect of "We will stop when Hezbollah disarms".

I am deeply dissapointed by this, you might as well say "we will stop when the grass is blue and the sky is green" it isn't going to happen, talk about painting yourself into a corner *sigh*

That is the kind of 3rd rate diplomacy I expect from N.Korea, why the pretence that you want peace? Just be honest and say we are going to kill loads of civilians and we can't see us stopping any time soon.

No wonder democracy isn't particularly sought after in the middle East when democratic countries are actively seeking war.

This could escalate into something very nasty, I hope Blair and the other world leaders speak up at the G8 and condemn this.

Edit: I can't spell

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Originally posted by hatebreed0

[quote]problem is isreal its that simple they are two heavy handed and that brings more terrorism [/quote]

[quote]i hate religion and feel sorry for the fools that follow it. sometimes i feel they is no hope at all for man untill we move past this dark age of religion we need to be free of it so we can be free to create[/quote]

[quote] Bush sent our troops into unknown territory he took the Iraqi leader -big mistake- [/quote]

No, the mistake was, the soliders didn't have a throw away weapon, and unloaded 5-10 clips into Saddam while they had the chance. That was the mistake.

Ditto (at least for me) but the iraq people need to see justic to be done by a court of law. not a trigger happy american either way he is a good as dead. and while i dont belive in the death sentence they is no one on earth that would begrudge this guy a bullet to the haed and to tell you the truth even as a human rights supporter a slow painful death would be too good for him

my friend, you are so wrong that you are blinded. I feel sorry for anybody that dosn't have any type of faith be it, neo pagan, buddist, or catholic. as for you, i feel sorry for you, cause without some type of faith your a shell and a pawn.

Who said i never had faith? i belive in us, The human race. we have done some amazing things and we will prevail. we will get there. no doubt it will be at a price sadley religion will make us pay that price. but i belive... as nieve as it sounds to some ... one day we will all be free

The islamic faith is big. infact one scumbag can take out 100 to 1000 people with a right placed dirty bomb, or suicide, bomb.

I'm going to explain something. The Islamic world hates you and  me. They hate us even more cause were not muslims. This is not me being paranoid or anything, it's fact. The reason is getting so much flak is because they are 2 things. Jewish and Democratic. That's why.

the islamic faith and terroism are sold to us by the media in the west as the same thing. thats a lie, while i dont belive in religion its wrong of me or anyone to say everyone that is a muslim is a terrorist. its not true and while the leaders of these stats are about 500 years in the past its the people that suffer under them i feel sorry for.

lets look at history no one faith/religion has ever ruled the world many have tryed but ALL have failed.

And you got f*ck stanins like Iran, Syria, Hamas and the rest of the Muslims and muslim terrorist  that just want to kill. Kill anything and everything, why, they have the RIGHT to kill you and me, according to the their religion, anybody and everybody that doesn't follow the Islamic faith is a infidel.

so ask your self this question, would you rather be forced to be a muslim, or being beheaded for refusing?

i love life and would rather fake pray than die. but they are never going to be able to do anything like kill you because your not one of them in the west and its only the extremist view anyway you should really educate yourself

As a conculsion, I hope Israel, destorys them, wheres there's nothing left but a smoldering pot hole.

i feel you've bought the lie. what is it that your trying to say here? do another hitler and kill the fucking lot of them? because, if thats what your saying you need help. but, if what your saying is i hope isreal defests hamas and isbulah they will never do that with a gun you carnt kill idea's with a gun if they want to win then its time to enpower the people of lebanon and palistine help build there civil inforstructure (schools, power plants etc) rather than bomb them to bits causing people to hate them and letting the terror groups use propergander to get more suicide bombers but if your not able to see that then you need to learn some history 

makes me sick that most people goes *Whine* *Whine* It's Israel's fault cause of this *whine* *whine*

or

*Cry* *Cry* Israel that *Cry* *Cry*

As for North Korea and China. Kim Jung-Il is insane. He wants war. He claims he can capture Souel in 2 hours. He has Chemical and Bio Weapons, he will use them if he goes to war, which he wants.

I rather not see the Forgotten War start up again (Korean War - and yes, the war is still going on, it's a a cease fire ATM 50+ years and growing)

If China wants to prove themselves to the worthless UN, they can step up to the plate and tell Kim Jung-Il to cease what he is doing, or They are going to do something.

If WW3 was to break out it would either break out in in Middle East. North korea would Aid whome ever the Axis is.

This is where it get dangerous America want to be the worlds only superpower and China want to be the next superpower. do the math

I'm actually in Jerusalem right this second, and I can tell you the mood here is pretty calm. The Israelies aren't worried, mainly because they've been seeing this kinda thing for the past 60 years, it's nothing new. It won't be the start of WW3, it won't even be the start of a war, it's simply a small chance for Israel's neighbours to express their hatred for the country, they all basically seem to be 'jumping on the band wagon'.

There isn't much anyone can do to fight Israel, it's an extremely powerful country (by far the most powerful in the mid-east) and to top that it's one of the only countries in the east to be backed by america and it's allies. This will only last for a month, at the most, before the idiots firing rockets into israel realise their efforts are pretty much futile, and will only result in the loss of lives in THEIR countries, not israel.

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Originally posted by hatebreed0

[quote]problem is isreal its that simple they are two heavy handed and that brings more terrorism [/quote]

[quote]i hate religion and feel sorry for the fools that follow it. sometimes i feel they is no hope at all for man untill we move past this dark age of religion we need to be free of it so we can be free to create[/quote]

[quote] Bush sent our troops into unknown territory he took the Iraqi leader -big mistake- [/quote]

No, the mistake was, the soliders didn't have a throw away weapon, and unloaded 5-10 clips into Saddam while they had the chance. That was the mistake.

Ditto (at least for me) but the iraq people need to see justic to be done by a court of law. not a trigger happy american either way he is a good as dead. and while i dont belive in the death sentence they is no one on earth that would begrudge this guy a bullet to the haed and to tell you the truth even as a human rights supporter a slow painful death would be too good for him

I'm all for the Iraqi people, honestly I am. Tryants like Saddam Hussein, needed to be killed, With all the blood on his hand and his sons, he needed at least to be at the very least shot in the knee cap. I support human rights, I also support swift justice. 2-3 days trial, guilty, next day executed.

my friend, you are so wrong that you are blinded. I feel sorry for anybody that dosn't have any type of faith be it, neo pagan, buddist, or catholic. as for you, i feel sorry for you, cause without some type of faith your a shell and a pawn.

Who said i never had faith? i belive in us, The human race. we have done some amazing things and we will prevail. we will get there. no doubt it will be at a price sadley religion will make us pay that price. but i belive... as nieve as it sounds to some ... one day we will all be free

As sadly as it might sound, the world will never know peace, unless the world comes under one flag. As it now, it won't be any time soon. 

people with a right placed dirty bomb, or suicide, bomb.

I'm going to explain something. The Islamic world hates you and  me. They hate us even more cause were not muslims. This is not me being paranoid or anything, it's fact. The reason is getting so much flak is because they are 2 things. Jewish and Democratic. That's why.

the islamic faith and terroism are sold to us by the media in the west as the same thing. thats a lie, while i dont belive in religion its wrong of me or anyone to say everyone that is a muslim is a terrorist. its not true and while the leaders of these stats are about 500 years in the past its the people that suffer under them i feel sorry for.

lets look at history no one faith/religion has ever ruled the world many have tryed but ALL have failed.

This all goes back to Issac and Ishmael. Believe you me. The media has a tiny small part to blame, but until you see somebody walk in the middle of a street, and scream "ALLAH IS GOOD!" and blows himself up, you have a different outlook.

And you got f*ck stanins like Iran, Syria, Hamas and the rest of the Muslims and muslim terrorist  that just want to kill. Kill anything and everything, why, they have the RIGHT to kill you and me, according to the their religion, anybody and everybody that doesn't follow the Islamic faith is a infidel.

so ask your self this question, would you rather be forced to be a muslim, or being beheaded for refusing?

i love life and would rather fake pray than die. but they are never going to be able to do anything like kill you because your not one of them in the west and its only the extremist view anyway you should really educate yourself

You never got into a into a life and death situation have you? have you ever fought somebody to where you felt you very life being threaten, to have some rag head standing above you, with his hands around your throat, squeezing the very life out of, you as he's telling you to die. I tell  this you when you been their and done that, tell me.

Until you see the how twisted islam is, you should educate yourself.

As a conculsion, I hope Israel, destorys them, wheres there's nothing left but a smoldering pot hole.

i feel you've bought the lie. what is it that your trying to say here? do another hitler and kill the fucking lot of them? because, if thats what your saying you need help. but, if what your saying is i hope isreal defests hamas and isbulah they will never do that with a gun you carnt kill idea's with a gun if they want to win then its time to enpower the people of lebanon and palistine help build there civil inforstructure (schools, power plants etc) rather than bomb them to bits causing people to hate them and letting the terror groups use propergander to get more suicide bombers but if your not able to see that then you need to learn some history 

What i meant to say was if the Lebanon Governemt wants to resolve this. They pull their heads out of their ass, send in what Army they have, cordinate with Israel. "Hey, you attack from the west, We'll attack from the east, will, flush them towards you, you do your part, and any comes our way as we're sweeping through, will deal with the stragglers."

It's not Lebanon's fault to a certain degree. They failed to disband, Hezbollah, now look what is happening.

All Israel wants is hezbollah gone, and their capture soldiers back, that's all they want. if that was to happen, it would be over. Since Hezbollah started the fight, Israel better finish it.

It's like somebody coming up to you, and punched you in the face as hard as they can. What would you do. Walk away, or stand your ground.

makes me sick that most people goes *Whine* *Whine* It's Israel's fault cause of this *whine* *whine*

or

*Cry* *Cry* Israel that *Cry* *Cry*

As for North Korea and China. Kim Jung-Il is insane. He wants war. He claims he can capture Souel in 2 hours. He has Chemical and Bio Weapons, he will use them if he goes to war, which he wants.

I rather not see the Forgotten War start up again (Korean War - and yes, the war is still going on, it's a a cease fire ATM 50+ years and growing)

If China wants to prove themselves to the worthless UN, they can step up to the plate and tell Kim Jung-Il to cease what he is doing, or They are going to do something.

If WW3 was to break out it would either break out in in Middle East. North korea would Aid whome ever the Axis is.

This is where it get dangerous America want to be the worlds only superpower and China want to be the next superpower. do the math

No math needed. It's always been like that.

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Originally posted by Blurr

The whole region has basically been in a state of perpetual war for thousands upon thousands of years.

I say either let em fight it out (as long as they keep it in their own yard), or turn the whole place into a big sheet of glass.

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