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Originally posted by hadz

This thread makes me laugh...

People complain about MMOs being junk, they say they're glorified time-sinks, they say the genre hasn't progressed from 10 years ago...blah blah blah.

Then when a genre-redefining game (ie. Guild Wars) comes along. People say...it's not a MMORPG...blah blah...it doesn't have a persistent world...blah blah...it's not this...it's not that. Let me say, GW is BETTER than any MMORPG out there, and if it's not strictly a MMORPG...WHO CARES!!? It redefines what a MMORPG should be!

Get off your high horses and play the best Online game out there...GW! You might even (heaven forbid) convince other MMO-makers that they don't have to CHARGE MONTHLY fees to make a profit either...or maybe you're happy to keep paying $15 a month for a genre you think is crap anyway. Fools ;)

PS. No I'm not employed by GW (or connected companies) and yes, I've played many many MMOs. (I've played 18 of games on the "Released Games" list on the left, for at least a month each, and am in 5 or 6 betas at the moment. You can't say I don't know my stuff) Fair enough if you have tried GW (and I mean really given it a go) and not liked it. But if you're just being stubborn or game-snobbish then think again my friends.

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I agree with last poster...

Plus why the big deal about $15 bucks a month? If you buy a pop from a vending machine once a day, you spent more on pop than what an MMO costs. Atleast you don't just piss that out. You have something to show for your money, plus you have hours of fun. A pop only last less than an hour and goes flat if you have it around longer.

As for GW, I turned out giving it to a friend and still he won't give up his WoW time to even go check it out.

I think all GW is in this genre is an alternative for kiddies that belong to the free gaming whiners club.

Hadz, go back to making more mmorpg.com accounts so you can continue your agenda of trying to keep GW up in the top ten list. Shees, I am surprised your friends from Runescape aren't doing the same.

BTW, GW is the BIGGEST, LARGEST and MOST KNOWN.....POS out to date. Anyone that plays that game are F'ing LOSERS!!!!! I rather go play a single player game any day before I EVER, EVER login to that POS game again.

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Originally posted by Tyrgris

BTW, GW is the BIGGEST, LARGEST and MOST KNOWN.....POS out to date. Anyone that plays that game are F'ing LOSERS!!!!! I rather go play a single player game any day before I EVER, EVER login to that POS game again.

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Im realy not active on this forums but wanted to state my oppinion on this matter. ATM I dont think theres any MMORPG on the market that is realy GREAT. I loved SWG before all the CU shit but it was not because it was a good MMO it was because I had some great people to play with. Personaly I think all games today except WoW is making theire money because of theire community. WoW is the only game that simple and entertaining enough to enjoy without people. Its one of the few MMOs that Ive tried that got decent story behind the missions and is simple at the same time with enjoyable if cartoonish graphics. Now the bad part about WoW is how you have to keep playing to keep up with your friends. Personal I hate that and combined with WoW not having that great community (some people may not agree with me on this, but compared to other games I felt like it was all about the grind even when grouping). Personaly I wish they made a single player RPG based on warcraft or a warcraft 4 instead.

Personaly the best MMORPG I ever played was Matrix online the first month(s) the whole story thing was amazing there was several IG events with Staff playing major characters like Niobie, Morpheus, The Merovingian (and so on) It was a huge amount of RP (to much at some points my guild almost fell apart during a player event because of disagreement) It was just a great feeling. On top of these events there was player made radios and a IG media player that made it even more enjoyable. The game was HORRIBLE it was a missions system where u called picked up missions and they were pretty much the same just in diffrent spots. But the community and player events is what made it the best MMO Ive ever played.

Then they sold or gave it to SOE not sure about the details there and now they got theire very own CU ^^ YAY!

But anyways this is just my oppinions and im not to experienced in the MMORPG world even if Ive played about 10 or so MMOs (AO,EQ,EQ2,WoW,MxO,UO,SWG,DDO,RO and a lot of beta,open beta and trial ones) Some may consider this a lot of MMOs but considering the amount on the market (way to many crappy ones) I wouldnt call it a lot.

Also Ive tried GW but GW aint a MMORPG its close but its not a MMORPG it just isnt big enough in amount of diversity through equipment, proffesions or skills. Personaly I felt like playing Diable 2 online.

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Originally posted by Nullapax

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Originally posted by Tyrgris

BTW, GW is the BIGGEST, LARGEST and MOST KNOWN.....POS out to date. Anyone that plays that game are F'ing LOSERS!!!!! I rather go play a single player game any day before I EVER, EVER login to that POS game again.

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So you don't think i should give it a try then ?

OP - you have become bored with MMORPG's, live with it and move on.

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I think the problem is that the focus from the business angle has changed.

Where once the idea of an MMORPG was to have a monthly fee because of necessity, now the reason companies are creating MMORPGs is because they get to charge for a game repeatedly, as opposed to a mere action/adventure title, where they only charge once.

Before the developers said, "what can we do to create the best world?"

Now they say, "what can we do to get and retain subscription monies?"

I remember when this genre first started.  People asked Origin and the like, "what does the subscription buy us?"  The answer was a good one, "more content each month," which actually sounded like a good plan.

These days, can anyone really make the claim that 1 month's subscription money equals one month's greater content?

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Originally posted by Beatnik59

I think the problem is that the focus from the business angle has changed.

Where once the idea of an MMORPG was to have a monthly fee because of necessity, now the reason companies are creating MMORPGs is because they get to charge for a game repeatedly, as opposed to a mere action/adventure title, where they only charge once.

Before the developers said, "what can we do to create the best world?"

Now they say, "what can we do to get and retain subscription monies?"

I remember when this genre first started.  People asked Origin and the like, "what does the subscription buy us?"  The answer was a good one, "more content each month," which actually sounded like a good plan.

These days, can anyone really make the claim that 1 month's subscription money equals one month's greater content?

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Now even others are picking up on the addtional fees they can squeeze out of a game. Take Battlefield2 for example. Instead of another expansion they are now doing this online purchase of booster packs where they charge you $10 bucks for a few more maps, weapons and vehicles. So instead of them giving us a map editor, they are just making the maps and charging us for it.

Shees, and I thought PC games took us awa from paying to play games like we use to in the old arcades, now they are bringing it slowly back and we are paying on our own computers.

I can understand charges for services like maintaining a network of systems so we all can play in large communities, but now they are starting to nickle and dime us to death on added minor stuff that we could easily do in addition maybe even better than their own dev dev....NwN as for example.

My only comment would be that I don't see anything wrong with putting an RPG online. If you like cooperative gameplay, and you like RPGs, it makes a lot of sense to try to put them together.

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Originally posted by hadz

This thread makes me laugh...

People complain about MMOs being junk, they say they're glorified time-sinks, they say the genre hasn't progressed from 10 years ago...blah blah blah.

Then when a genre-redefining game (ie. Guild Wars) comes along. People say...it's not a MMORPG...blah blah...it doesn't have a persistent world...blah blah...it's not this...it's not that. Let me say, GW is BETTER than any MMORPG out there, and if it's not strictly a MMORPG...WHO CARES!!? It redefines what a MMORPG should be!

Get off your high horses and play the best Online game out there...GW! You might even (heaven forbid) convince other MMO-makers that they don't have to CHARGE MONTHLY fees to make a profit either...or maybe you're happy to keep paying $15 a month for a genre you think is crap anyway. Fools ;)

PS. No I'm not employed by GW (or connected companies) and yes, I've played many many MMOs. (I've played 18 of games on the "Released Games" list on the left, for at least a month each, and am in 5 or 6 betas at the moment. You can't say I don't know my stuff) Fair enough if you have tried GW (and I mean really given it a go) and not liked it. But if you're just being stubborn or game-snobbish then think again my friends.

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Originally posted by Beatnik59

I think the problem is that the focus from the business angle has changed.

Where once the idea of an MMORPG was to have a monthly fee because of necessity, now the reason companies are creating MMORPGs is because they get to charge for a game repeatedly, as opposed to a mere action/adventure title, where they only charge once.

Before the developers said, "what can we do to create the best world?"

Now they say, "what can we do to get and retain subscription monies?"

I remember when this genre first started.  People asked Origin and the like, "what does the subscription buy us?"  The answer was a good one, "more content each month," which actually sounded like a good plan.

These days, can anyone really make the claim that 1 month's subscription money equals one month's greater content?

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Originally posted by wjrasmussen

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Originally posted by Beatnik59

I think the problem is that the focus from the business angle has changed.

Where once the idea of an MMORPG was to have a monthly fee because of necessity, now the reason companies are creating MMORPGs is because they get to charge for a game repeatedly, as opposed to a mere action/adventure title, where they only charge once.

Before the developers said, "what can we do to create the best world?"

Now they say, "what can we do to get and retain subscription monies?"

I remember when this genre first started.  People asked Origin and the like, "what does the subscription buy us?"  The answer was a good one, "more content each month," which actually sounded like a good plan.

These days, can anyone really make the claim that 1 month's subscription money equals one month's greater content?

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I think you are off a bit on your  history.  Back in the 80's and early 90's there were online games where you paid per hour.  Yes, per hour.  There were people racking up bills over $100.00 per month playing just a single game. Market forces have change that model of making money.  $15.00 per month is dirt cheap.

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Originally posted by Blaze323232
IMO, monthly fees are really tough when you're young. One reason is because when ur a kid, you dont necessarily have access to a CC and you dont have access to the money either.  Another problem is if you get grounded or w/e, then that month is basically a waste of money so paying 15bucks for 150 hours would be nice.

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Originally posted by Distortion0

Would per hour really be that bad as long as the price is kept down. If I play 5 hours a day(averaged) then that is 140 hours a month. I'd rather pay $16 or $17 for 150 hours that I can use whenever I feel like than pay $15 a month. What if my computer breaks? Or I feel like having a life for a month?

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Just because pretty much all current MMO are crappy, doesn't mean MMO as a term will stay crappy.

The way I see it, MMO is the future for video games. All games, not just RPG, will only be perfect in MMO form.

Yes I am quite disappointed in all the current MMO. They are more or less the same, and lack of real fun. All those so called quests in ALL MMORPG now are "kill 10 wolves", "kill 20 thieves" etc. etc. go on forever. All MMORPG has the mobs respawn every 30 sec. or so, which designed to have you camp the same spot forever.

BORING! Painful but true.

Then again, MMORPG does not stand for grinding camping same spot, as long as it is Massive Multiplay Online, it is MMO. which means it can be completely different in the term of game play. Lets just hope the game developers soon will finally realize less and less people enjoy the "easily entertained" boring crap they offer now, and make some REAL interesting games instead. As far as I can see now, "real interesting" does not exist right now in MMO at this moment.

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Originally posted by Blaze323232
i disagree with ^^....a game is not what YOU make it, its what the makers make it (makes sense right?)..don't try to convince me that Barbie's Horse Adventure isn't a good game because I was making it a bad game...oh wait this doesn't really apply..maybe if i get past the fact that its barbie then.....I DIGRESS! don't try to convince me that "insert name of crappy game" is not a good game because the gamers made it bad! it is bad because the game is bad...idea, content, (or lack of) whatever it is, the game is the thing that is bad, not the player. I mean of course its opinionated but bad games get bad reviews, end of story!

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Actually Barbie Horse Adventures, atleast on the PS2 is a GREAT GAME. No BS. It's targeted at young girls (ie my daughter who loves Barbie).. and my little 5 year old girl loves it to pieces. The game, for who and what it is made for, is an excelltent game. It has smooth gameplay, interesting puzzles (aimed at the younger audience), and great graphics that are competitive with any similar PS2 game. Ofcourse teenage boys and young adult men are not going to be intrigued with a Barbie game that is targeting 6 year old girls! Duh! Look at the games reviews where it gets like 4.5 outta 5 stars, etc before you come here badmouthing what is actually a well-made childrens game.

Furthermore, most games ARE indeed what you make of them. There is no "perfect" game out there. And there NEVER will be. The reason is because everyone is different. Everyone looks for different things. To you, WoW might be a perfect game. To me, Asheron's Call might be my perfect game. And to my 5 year old daughter, well I don't have to ask her because I really dont feel like having my eardrums about busted when she yells out "Barbie!" as loud as she can, hehe.

I do agree with you however that games are certainly made of different qualities. Even if there is a superior well made game out there such as the hit RPG "Oblivion" for example.. not everyone will love it. My five year old daughter saw it and thinks its totally stupid. But that doesn't mean that it really sucks. {winks}

- Zaxx

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Originally posted by Salvatoris

Well, I see it differently than you. I think MMO games have the potential to be video game holy grail I have been searching for since I was playing on a Vic20 with a tape drive. I admit that there are a lot of games out now where leveling for leveling's sake is the entire point of the game... and I have seen enough poorly implemented end-game that it doesn't really bother me to walk away from an MMO 2/3 of the way up in levels if I am not having fun with it any more. I hate the sorry state of SWg, and I quit shortly after the NGE. I am really still searching for a replacement to it... But I'm sure there will eventually be a game that I enjoy as much as i did that one, before it went South.

A lot of companies are trying to recreate financial success of WoW.. and most of them have no idea what they are doing... I think DDO is a good example. But with every publishing company under the sun pulling in MMOs in development, or starting their own after WoW exploded in to what it is, I'm sure someone will get it right. For the time being, my money is on Age of Conan.... but the reasons i don't like most of the other big name MMOs coming out are probably just a matter of taste and preference.. I think there is something coming down the pipe for just about every type of gamer. I would love the see some people break the standard mold a little... maybe try something other than the fantasy genre... but I think that will all come in time.

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Originally posted by Salvatoris

Well, I see it differently than you. I think MMO games have the potential to be video game holy grail I have been searching for since I was playing on a Vic20 with a tape drive. I admit that there are a lot of games out now where leveling for leveling's sake is the entire point of the game... and I have seen enough poorly implemented end-game that it doesn't really bother me to walk away from an MMO 2/3 of the way up in levels if I am not having fun with it any more. I hate the sorry state of SWg, and I quit shortly after the NGE. I am really still searching for a replacement to it... But I'm sure there will eventually be a game that I enjoy as much as i did that one, before it went South.

A lot of companies are trying to recreate financial success of WoW.. and most of them have no idea what they are doing... I think DDO is a good example. But with every publishing company under the sun pulling in MMOs in development, or starting their own after WoW exploded in to what it is, I'm sure someone will get it right. For the time being, my money is on Age of Conan.... but the reasons i don't like most of the other big name MMOs coming out are probably just a matter of taste and preference.. I think there is something coming down the pipe for just about every type of gamer. I would love the see some people break the standard mold a little... maybe try something other than the fantasy genre... but I think that will all come in time.

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Originally posted by hadz

This thread makes me laugh...

People complain about MMOs being junk, they say they're glorified time-sinks, they say the genre hasn't progressed from 10 years ago...blah blah blah.

Then when a genre-redefining game (ie. Guild Wars) comes along. People say...it's not a MMORPG...blah blah...it doesn't have a persistent world...blah blah...it's not this...it's not that. Let me say, GW is BETTER than any MMORPG out there, and if it's not strictly a MMORPG...WHO CARES!!? It redefines what a MMORPG should be!

Get off your high horses and play the best Online game out there...GW! You might even (heaven forbid) convince other MMO-makers that they don't have to CHARGE MONTHLY fees to make a profit either...or maybe you're happy to keep paying $15 a month for a genre you think is crap anyway. Fools ;)

PS. No I'm not employed by GW (or connected companies) and yes, I've played many many MMOs. (I've played 18 of games on the "Released Games" list on the left, for at least a month each, and am in 5 or 6 betas at the moment. You can't say I don't know my stuff) Fair enough if you have tried GW (and I mean really given it a go) and not liked it. But if you're just being stubborn or game-snobbish then think again my friends.

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lol, a GW fabnoi.

GW is craptastic.  It made a perfectly good coaster tho.

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Originally posted by Tyrgris
Hadz, go back to making more mmorpg.com accounts so you can continue your agenda of trying to keep GW up in the top ten list. Shees, I am surprised your friends from Runescape aren't doing the same.

BTW, GW is the BIGGEST, LARGEST and MOST KNOWN.....POS out to date. Anyone that plays that game are F'ing LOSERS!!!!! I rather go play a single player game any day before I EVER, EVER login to that POS game again.

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Sorry mate, you must have me confused with the EVE fanbois (you know EVE, the game that always scrambles back to the top of MMORPG.com's rankings whenever it gets passed).

As for your other derogatory talk about GW...try using rational arguments in your posts...you may even convince some people that you have a clue.

PS. a) I have ONE, count 'em, one account on MMORPG.com (any more would be a waste of time, as I don't care enough to skew the rankings). b) I've never played Runescape (and if I had wouldn't I be voting for Runescape instead of GW ) and c) I'm old enough to be the father of most of the "kiddies" on here.