Awesome....cant wait.

Cheers Sigil!

It all sounds great to me, except the last sentence about visual and flat areas . . . but the game is not finished, so I'm going to remain optimistic about Vanguard.

I like interdependency between classes in the game, and the option to solo, with the realization that groups are needed to access certain content.

Most of all, I like the character customization options, the large seamless world where we can have houses, and the travel system.

It really sounded if mmorpg.com reviewer was not a fan of Vanguard and had no intention of writing a positive review.  She just could not find anything to complain about so instead she wrote a generic article with no new information or insights.  More or less just going through the motions of writing an article. She could have just as easily written this article by reading a preview from 3-4 months ago.   MMPORG.com always seems to have a bias against non pvp games and more hardcore pve games.  This preview is no exception and a waste of space.  If one is intrested in Vanguard E3 information there are close to 20 much better written and informative previews from other sites. 

If one wants better Vanguard information there are much better links contained in the thread below.

http://www.vanguardsoh.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53263

People have been spoiled with World of Warcraft clones for far too long. There has to be penalties and downsides to everything, otherwise we wouldn't be able to enjoy it as much.

I'm rather glad Sigil has the balls to go in the other direction of what you say the market is evolving towards. You have to remember that while I'm sure they wouldn't flat out say no to it I doubt very much they have the same target audience as any of the WoW clones out there. Thats not what Vanguard is about, it's not ment to be easy. Leveling takes time, as does Traveling. There's a debt system for dieing so you don't have reckless idiots running amok like you do in WoW. There's hopefully also a steap learning curve so we have less high level newbies that can't operate properly when alone.

As for the whole SoE thing. I can't really say anything bad about SOE. I never saw them as some sort of monster, and I don't believe the public hype about it. Let the man make his game in piece, and if it's not your cup of tea then kindly bow out, rather than start the whole vocal power trip to get things changed.

I fully expect alot of people to get dissapointed because they were expecting WoW with additional things to do. But hopefully that is not going to happen. Here's to hoping lads!

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Originally posted by MaeEye
I'm sorry, but how can this game NOT be intriguing.  I mean, it has almost everything players have been asking for, for years in MMO's now.

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Originally posted by WoodenDummy

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Originally posted by MaeEye
I'm sorry, but how can this game NOT be intriguing.  I mean, it has almost everything players have been asking for, for years in MMO's now.

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Right now after hearing what people had to say abou E3 and Vanguard Beta, WAR and Conan look to be the only things worth keeping an eye on.

**Still respect for them trying to step outside the box, I'll just wait and see.

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Originally posted by Xstriker77

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Originally posted by WoodenDummy

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Originally posted by MaeEye
I'm sorry, but how can this game NOT be intriguing.  I mean, it has almost everything players have been asking for, for years in MMO's now.

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Right now after hearing what people had to say abou E3 and Vanguard Beta, WAR and Conan look to be the only things worth keeping an eye on.

**Still respect for them trying to step outside the box, I'll just wait and see.

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    What are you talking about, most of the reviews are positive about the game, there's only 2 that are bad and they come from some random site out there, the gamespot and ign ones were pretty good. Tho i agree that warhammer looks awesome, but conan is crappy, its a guild wars style game...ull get tired of it pretty fast.

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Originally posted by MaeEye
I'm sorry, but how can this game NOT be intriguing.  I mean, it has almost everything players have been asking for, for years in MMO's now.  The quest systems sound very awsome, having a certain race/class to be able to advance in some quest is just eye opening.  It's bringing the RP back into MMOG.  People are judging this game way too much because SOE is just publishing it. 

Vanguard is going to be an excellent game, what Sigil has done is just brilliant!

Go Sigil go sigil Go!

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It does look interesting.

But I have a hard time thinking it's going to be "excellent".  At least from my point of view.  This will be an old style raiders/HUGE TIMESINK game.  They've already said as much.  Back in the original EQ days, they could get away with that.  I don't think that's really true now.  I'm thinking that they're going to be just another niche game off in a corner.

The fact that they're being published by SOE is even worse from my point of view.  I really didn't figure this would be a game for me.  But as long as SOE is involved, I can guarentee I won't be buying it.  I refuse to give SOE even one more dime.   Money whore's like Smedly just don't deserve it.

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Originally posted by MaeEye
I'm sorry, but how can this game NOT be intriguing.  I mean, it has almost everything players have been asking for, for years in MMO's now.  The quest systems sound very awsome, having a certain race/class to be able to advance in some quest is just eye opening.  It's bringing the RP back into MMOG.  People are judging this game way too much because SOE is just publishing it. 

Vanguard is going to be an excellent game, what Sigil has done is just brilliant!

Go Sigil go sigil Go!

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I have a good feeling about Vanguard. I think that it will come a lot closer than any of the games I have tried since EQ, to bring back that "brave new world" type of feel.

I admit to some misgivings with the addition of SOE to the mix, but as long as they stick to what Brad and co. say they can/cannot do, then it all comes down to gameplay and content.

~H

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Originally posted by WoodenDummy

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Originally posted by Xstriker77

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Originally posted by WoodenDummy

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Originally posted by MaeEye
I'm sorry, but how can this game NOT be intriguing.  I mean, it has almost everything players have been asking for, for years in MMO's now.

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Right now after hearing what people had to say abou E3 and Vanguard Beta, WAR and Conan look to be the only things worth keeping an eye on.

**Still respect for them trying to step outside the box, I'll just wait and see.

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    What are you talking about, most of the reviews are positive about the game, there's only 2 that are bad and they come from some random site out there, the gamespot and ign ones were pretty good. Tho i agree that warhammer looks awesome, but conan is crappy, its a guild wars style game...ull get tired of it pretty fast.

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Thanks for proving my point, one persons view of a game can be very different from another, even more so when a game has yet to come out.  As soon as anyone makes a post or raises a point that Vanguard isn't going to be as great as people think you get a fanboi that has yet to even see the game running leaping on the post with some random rubbish about how's it's going to be the best game ever (I'm not calling you a fanboi).

Everything  thing I've been told about Vanguard has been very "meh", I've yet to hear anyone who's seen Conan or WAR at E3 say anything but good things.  I'm not talking about reviews I'm talking about what people I know  have said about the games.


Until I play Vanguard I won't be getting that excited about it.

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Originally posted by Kassiah

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Yes this is my first post here, although I registered quite awhile ago. And yes, I have been following Vanguard for several years and am a fan of what I've observed and learned.

As an admirer of the game and its developers, its very hard NOT to jump into a thread where you see false comments or simply negative comments and try to give another more positive point of view. I dont consider doing so "random rubbish" anymore than the negative opinions. There is also the distinct possibility many of the vocal defenders of Vanguard on this and other forums actually HAVE seen the game, are actively beta testing it, but are not able to say so. Assuming anyone with a positive opinion is a worthless fanboi but someone who saw the game for 10 minutes at E3 is an expert doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

That said, I appreciate that you are a person who is willing to try the game personally before deciding it completely sucks based on the opinions of others

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Originally posted by fiontar
The 20% solo content figure. I'm not going to get into the whole mmo soloability arguement. The market has provided it's own data and 20% is just way too low for a successful game in the evolving MMO market. If they double the planned solo content to 40% and the game itself is incredibly content rich, they may have a chance. I'd guess that 60%+ would probably be the magic number for today's audiences, at the very least.

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Originally posted by Size-Twelve

The jist I'm getting from Vanguard is the same I got from EQII in '04. It seems to be missing that fun factor to make it a really great game. Good maybe, but takes itself too seriously overall.

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i have to agree here . . .