apparently SOE and PE are now working together on Gods and Heroes. They are handling marketing, pr, distrubution, and manufactoring for that game.

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Originally posted by Protest

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Originally posted by alicairo

if SOE buys it

I'm out, I won't play

I hate what SOE does that much.

SOE has screwed me & others. SOE treats the customer like crap.

SOE has me questioning all of Sony including Sony Pictures to the point of considering a boycott of anything Sony.

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Meh. I'd reconsider what exactly tossing the baby out of with the bathwater accomplishes.

Be careful not to connect dots that aren't really neccessary to connect.

I'm not going to punch someone in the head because I have a problem with their second-cousin.

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Originally posted by alicairo

Originally posted by Protest

Originally posted by alicairo
if SOE buys it
I'm out, I won't play
I hate what SOE does that much.
SOE has screwed me & others. SOE treats the customer like crap.
SOE has me questioning all of Sony including Sony Pictures to the point of considering a boycott of anything Sony.

Meh. I'd reconsider what exactly tossing the baby out of with the bathwater accomplishes.
Be careful not to connect dots that aren't really neccessary to connect.
I'm not going to punch someone in the head because I have a problem with their second-cousin.

i simply said if they buy it I'm out

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Well, so far, Sony OE's bought nothing. And if they were to become involved with STO as a publisher, they wouldn't have bought that either.

God help us. If SOE gets a hold of this game I won't touch it, and I've been a Trek fan as long as I can remember. Same reason I'm not touching the DC online game.

I tell you what as long as sony has no financial responsibility with the out come of STO I don't care how they may be involved.

But as far as a game they own and control the cust service departments. I want no part of Shit On Equal, I am looking forward with much anticipation of STO.

Cross fingers they get it right, I hate WOW!!!!

a friend of mine is a hard core trekkie. he knows how bad soe is running swg and is always giving me $#!T for it. it would be poetic justice if soe did get thier hands on it so he can know my pain.

/evil laugh

i used to be addicted to SWG but soe cured me with NGE.

 This is bad news that SOE is going after Perpetual to get their hands on  Star Trek Online .

"As the recognized leader in online multiplayer gaming in North America, partnering with SOE's Platform Publishing division to publish Gods & Heroes: Rome Rising was an easy and obvious choice," said Chris McKibbin, co-founder and president of Perpetual Entertainment. "Nobody understands the retail channel for online games better than SOE."

From http://www.perpetual.com/pages/news.html 

  Someone must be drunk , stoned or now very ,very rich to make such a ridiculous and proven here and across the gaming industry such an untrue statement.

I would offer Mr. McKibbin a  , but it sounds like he has had too much already.

SOE had the rights to STO, they had the chance back in 2000 and decided to go with SWG instead, they can't just go back and get it, they feel like they were idiots, but Perpetual won't sell.

Oh please please say it isn't true. What ever gods that be please make it not so. Keep SOE out of STO. They did enough damage with their complete disregard for SWG and it's fan base. Their track record of alienating their clients and neglecting the larger issues of thier games speaks for itself.

STO has the makings for an incredible next gen MMO. It's got the possibility of uniting the true Trekkies out there and those that just love a good SciFi adventure game. If SOE gets invovled they would inevitably do the same as they with SWG. They'd make their money out of it and we'll loose yet another good MMO to the power of fast cash.

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Originally posted by Qwirk

In a word: no.

You have to remember
Paramount is owned by Touchstone.
Touchstone is owned by Disney.

 

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Paramount isnt owned by disney, its owned by viacom.  Viacom is the one that owns MTV, CBS, UPN, and all those channels and numerous of other radio stations around the country.

screw smedley! he wont get his cursed little paws on this game

There are only three things that could ever stop me from playing this game:

1. My untimely death.

2. Hiring Raph Koster.

3. Selling it to SOE

Otherwise I will be there on launch day.

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Originally posted by Rabia
Couldn't Sony Pictures afford to by Paramount Pictures?

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I think people need to know, that these times are over since a decade already.

Sony as a mother in its whole has huge financial problems, a bit longer already.
Their consumerproducts are no biggies anymore, like in the 80s.
Their PS3 is a flop compared to what they wished it would be.
The Sony/BMG group took a HUGE HUGE hit by the root-kit scandal
and the gaming division isnt any better, like all can see and stated in their own Q4 report.

On the other hand, like stated already, Touchstone, Paramount, Warner, Disney, AOL (most parts of Warner were bought by AOL) and even Universal are in a financial condition, they could by most parts of Sony without the need to cash in a cheque before...

Take "Blizzard" (WoW) for instance and why John Smedleys comment like "we beat the crap out of WoW" is so very hillarious, incompetent and showing a huge lack of common sense:

Blizzard is part of the "Vivendi Group". You need to know, that Vivendi is located in France/Europe.
And you need to know, that Vivendi is the big mother behind Blizzard, Universal, Sierra and a LOT of more very successive brands.

While the Sony share dropped for almost 40% from 2002 till today (despite the fact they raised again this year), the Vivendi group even raised (from 21$ to 26$ since 2002).

You also need to know, that the share of Sony is MORE (45$) then the Vivendi (26$), but the SOny volume is only about 490K while Vivendi's volume is almost 7 MILLION ! ...you do the math.

IF some1 is buying anyone, then its is the Vivendi group, sucking off Sony faster then Smedley can release his last gas...

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Originally posted by Qwirk

In a word: no.

You have to remember
Paramount is owned by Touchstone.
Touchstone is owned by Disney.

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Although you're correct that Sony will never buy Paramount... you've got this a little mixed up. 

Paramount is owned by Viacom, not Disney. 

Viacom is the company that owns CBS, UPN, Paramount, MTV, and a whole bunch of other cable channels.  There has never been any indication that Sony has any interest in buying or merging with Viacom... and such a monolithic merger would probably violate a whole bunch of anti-trust laws anyway.

Having said that... since Paramount doesn't really have its own game division, I don't think it would be impossible for SOE to get involved somehow, but it's probably more likely that Viacom/Paramount sees Star Trek Online as their chance to get some of that MMO gravy that their friends/rivals at Universal are getting with WoW.

V

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Originally posted by admriker444

apparently SOE and PE are now working together on Gods and Heroes. They are handling marketing, pr, distrubution, and manufactoring for that game.

 

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I wasn't planning to purchase Gods&Heroes, but on the other hand I wasn't deliberately making a choice not to buy it. Now that it seems SOE is affiliated with the game I won't touch it...

     "SWG refugees of the world- unite! "

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Originally posted by ClaudeFR

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Originally posted by Rabia
Couldn't Sony Pictures afford to by Paramount Pictures?

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I think people need to know, that these times are over since a decade already.

Sony as a mother in its whole has huge financial problems, a bit longer already.
Their consumerproducts are no biggies anymore, like in the 80s.
Their PS3 is a flop compared to what they wished it would be.
The Sony/BMG group took a HUGE HUGE hit by the root-kit scandal
and the gaming division isnt any better, like all can see and stated in their own Q4 report.

On the other hand, like stated already, Touchstone, Paramount, Warner, Disney, AOL (most parts of Warner were bought by AOL) and even Universal are in a financial condition, they could by most parts of Sony without the need to cash in a cheque before...

Take "Blizzard" (WoW) for instance and why John Smedleys comment like "we beat the crap out of WoW" is so very hillarious, incompetent and showing a huge lack of common sense:

Blizzard is part of the "Vivendi Group". You need to know, that Vivendi is located in France/Europe.
And you need to know, that Vivendi is the big mother behind Blizzard, Universal, Sierra and a LOT of more very successive brands.

While the Sony share dropped for almost 40% from 2002 till today (despite the fact they raised again this year), the Vivendi group even raised (from 21$ to 26$ since 2002).

You also need to know, that the share of Sony is MORE (45$) then the Vivendi (26$), but the SOny volume is only about 490K while Vivendi's volume is almost 7 MILLION ! ...you do the math.

IF some1 is buying anyone, then its is the Vivendi group, sucking off Sony faster then Smedley can release his last gas...

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Completely agree. One of the best posts I have read on the state of Sony on any forum. Thanks for the info and the smart post, ClaudeFR.

As to the topic - you know Smed is drooling over STO. It has the potential to be THE Sci-Fi MMORPG on the market and that equals cash cow. I am also hoping that Sony will not be part of this deal in any way. People may point out that its only distribution but again like I posted in the SWG forum - it creates POSSIBILITY. Should STO be more than they can handle - SOE, who at that point has their hand already into some of it, could easily say,  "Hey, we see you got your hands full. How about we help you with some of it?" Little bit by little bit, SOE grabs more turf. And if PE brings in another company, SOE has a little sway in the matter by saying - "Sorry, we can't work with company x. Strictly business reasons, you see." Didtribution would be threatened.

The simple truth of this whole thing is found in the old saying - "If you jump in bed with the devil, sooner or later someone is going to get screwed."

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Originally posted by kefkah

 

The simple truth of this whole thing is found in the old saying - "If you jump in bed with the devil, sooner or later someone is going to get screwed."

 

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     I hear you Kefkah . SOE broke my heart and I can never go back to being that carefree medic/carabineer I was- damn' you, you money-grabbing, community ignoring, patch/publish confused sons of....