Here's a link to SOE's latest projects, one involving publishing Gods and Heroes for PE.

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/godsheroes/news.html?sid=6145371

Makes me a little nervous when the wolf has been invited inside PE's house. I got a little sick during the video clip when Smedley mentioned the name STO when the interviewer asked about PE.

I saw that same clip.  if you will hear in that interview, SOE is doing nothing more but distribute Gods and Heroes, thats it.  PE still owns the rights for gods and heroes and be the ones who do all the production.  They did acknowledge in the video that PE is making star trek online, because thats pretty common knowledge now.  If PE wants to license Star trek online to SOE to distribute as well, thats their choice.

Right now, if anyone wants to get a piece into MMOG market,  Activision is probably the publisher that would be willing to do it.  they are hurting in revenues now and have done business in star trek name before.  it could be a good opportiunity for activision use the star trek name to sell and gain more revenue.  i think that would be the more likely scenario.

True, Activision always seems to be involved in the past with Trek titles. I sure hope they get publishing / distribution duties for STO rather than SOE.

PE is new to the MMO world and thus has basically no reputation with most gamers in the genre. We all know however the rep that SOE has and that can't help PE if they get involved with them.

There are literally thousands (if not hundreds of thousands) of MMO gamers out there extremely bitter over SOE's treatment of them. Any affiliation whatsoever with SOE will mean a lot of gamers not buying STO

SOE has developed a touch of death recently, I hope the STO just stay far far away.

Activision's unlikely to get the license for any Star Trek game in the near future, given the ugliness that went down over the general Star Trek license a few years ago. I'm not even sure they'd want it.

I think what it comes down to is this: Sony OE is one of only two or three companies in the MMO market that has industry-leading resources in terms of financial capital, human resources, and experience. That's something Perpetual wants to tap, and rightly so.

If Perpetual's relationship with Sony OE on Gods and Heroes goes well - and let's define "well" as a significant release that achieves profitiability, subscriber stability, and positive industry reviews - then we'll know that a company like Perpetual can work with Sony and everyone can gain from it.

If Perpetual's relationship with Sony OE on GnH goes poorly, then Sony will not be involved in publishing Star Trek Online. Simple as that.

Despite what fears anyone in the community may have, Perpetual remains in the driver's seat. You'd be a fool not to recognize that Sony OE (just like any other company) would like to be involved with Star Trek Online. That doesn't mean they get to be, though.

I am fearful for anything that SOE gets their slimy hands on. What they did to SWG was a total travesty.

well if everything goes well with gnh, perhaps perpetual will have the resources to publish themselves in the future, they only reason they need soe to market for them is that they have no experience with it and limited  resources for it, and as long as all the relationship is is publish and not producing im happy

everything is going to be in house pe, all billing, servers, etc. None of the station access crap and exchange server crap, at least perpetual is smart enough to keep their distance in that respect

Thanks from warning.

It is bit shame, this could have been great scifi game.

PE need to know that the target audience for STO is mostly based on disappointed refugees from SWG.

PE, whenever you just even talk to SoE - you make many people nervous - as you can easily see here - and you could also easily push potential customers away, before they even subscribe.

Avoid the evil...avoid SoE, its a sinking ship flushing out of the market faster then some can think of.

Stay away from the suction, PE...

Oh, one addition:

Sonys "Platform publishing" is meant to be a crossplatform publishing service.
It hasnothing to do with developing a game.

But PE need to understand, that most people will just think in easy words:
"If SoE is involved, i'll stay away and never buy it".

And this is what counts at the end.

If you, PE, consider publishing STO with the SoE Platform publishing, be very sure (esp. in the science fiction market) you hold a dead baby in your hands already.

Publishing STO with SoE is like introducing Hannibal Lector to Mrs. Sterling at night in a forrest...

The end is clear...

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Originally posted by ClaudeFRPE need to know that the target audience for STO is mostly based on disappointed refugees from SWG.]

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I think this is a pretty faulty assumption. Perpetual will determine its own target audience for Star Trek Online, and towards that end Perpetual will develop a Star Trek game - not a Star Wars Galaxies replacement. Such a design plan would be foolhardy - because, let's be honest, nothing is ever going to quite live up to Galaxies in the minds of those former subscribers who found themselves jilted.

Again - if Perpetual's relationship with Sony OE is posiitve for all parties, then Sony OE will be considered as a partner for Star Trek Online - one among many candidates. If not, they won't be in the running. I would submit that by the time Perpetual is in a position to make this decision, the memory of the New Game Enhancements will have dulled, market turnover will have changed attitudes, and the emotional reaction to Sony OE will have mellowed.

Inside the industry, Sony OE is considered a market leader with a successful general business model. This is why development houses become involved with them.

it has been recently stated that PE will be in total control of the game, new stuff, running of servers, community relations and billing (no Station Access). SOEPP is only publishing it and if you google it you will find that it isnt the same company as SOE, it is a branch of SOE and havent nerfed any the game.

if SOEPP publishes it well and PE gain from it then i would not blame them if they choose to get SOEPP to publish ST: O aswell

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Originally posted by ClaudeFR

PE need to know that the target audience for STO is mostly based on disappointed refugees from SWG.

PE, whenever you just even talk to SoE - you make many people nervous - as you can easily see here - and you could also easily push potential customers away, before they even subscribe.

Avoid the evil...avoid SoE, its a sinking ship flushing out of the market faster then some can think of.

Stay away from the suction, PE...

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     Indeed this is a site regularly visited by every dev team out there. Your assumption of the future foundation of STO being SWG refugees is one I concur with. PE be warned, you guys have heard the ol' saying of "when looking into the abyss..."

I don't see the problem with SOE. I liked EQ, loved Planetside, even EQ2 was fun if not what I was looking for. I never cared for SWG because it seemed like retail sales online rather than an adventure game. I tried the new SWG and it wasn't bad, a lot better then the virtual store simulator old SWG was, but it was still buggy which is one thing I can't stand.

Which makes you think, If the game was buggy in both versions and the first version was basically a business simulator rather than a Star Wars game, why blame SOE for the changes?

No, with all that SOE did right before SWG, I think the problem with SWG isn't SOE but Lucas Arts. They pretty much churn out junk games and SWG was no exception.

But the core issue is the SWG fans. I mean these are the same uber geeks that would lick dog feces off George Lucas' toes. The same no lifes that stand in line for 3 weeks to see a lame movie. I mean with fans like these how can you go right? It's as simple as this, I've had games change, I''ve had them nerf my favorite class or my favorite tactic, but I have never let it bother me so much in my real life as these no lifes have. All you hear on discussion forums lately is SWG betrayed us. No, you betray yourself. You make the game more important than your life.

I've never been a SWG fan, still am not even though I actually like the changes, but it really doesn't matter if I am or not because If someone tells me they are a SWG fan (or worse tells me thay are a SWG fan and then starts crying like SOE killed their pet) I immediately ignore them and consider them less than stable in future encounters. The SWG/SOE hatred is a joke and it makes you look neurotically obsessive. Move on.

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Originally posted by Velocinox

No, with all that SOE did right before SWG, I think the problem with SWG isn't SOE but Lucas Arts. They pretty much churn out junk games and SWG was no exception.

But the core issue is the SWG fans. I mean these are the same uber geeks that would lick dog feces off George Lucas' toes. The same no lifes that stand in line for 3 weeks to see a lame movie. I mean with fans like these how can you go right? It's as simple as this, I've had games change, I''ve had them nerf my favorite class or my favorite tactic, but I have never let it bother me so much in my real life as these no lifes have. All you hear on discussion forums lately is SWG betrayed us. No, you betray yourself. You make the game more important than your life.

I've never been a SWG fan, still am not even though I actually like the changes, but it really doesn't matter if I am or not because If someone tells me they are a SWG fan (or worse tells me thay are a SWG fan and then starts crying like SOE killed their pet) I immediately ignore them and consider them less than stable in future encounters. The SWG/SOE hatred is a joke and it makes you look neurotically obsessive. Move on.

 

 

 

 

 

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Sadly, what you say about most of those SWG fans is very true - but I am a hard core Star Wars fan, I didn't wait in line for 3 weeks, but I was at the theater on opening day for Phantom Menace.  I gave SWG my all because the mere fact that I loved Star Wars.  People bitched, people cried, I just nodded my head and secretly enjoyed the changes.

Alas, I just got bored with the content.. and well I also got bored with the people that loved to run around and PVP.  Everywhere ya went there was a lightsabre duel.  GAH.

Hell.. I had one person challenge me to a duel because they knew I became a Jedi when NGE came out... and it bothered them.. because I didn't grind it out......... because I didn't have the chance to do so!  Whiner.

Anywho.. that game is cancelled now as of two days ago and I have a lot of free space on my comp now.  Hmm.. wonder if I will be able to get Oblivion going on this machine.

Okay, to be fair I guess both Velocinox and Envy you would not mind if the game you had played for 2 years was completely changed for a core level on upwards?  yeah geekswith no life just hate to have thier gaming experience radically altered, heck i hate to have my game play altered in a drastic manner.

I am not a wait in line for any movie geek star wars, star trek (yeah they do that too as i have seen on the local news) or what ever fan.

I work, go home take care of the kids and at the end of the day play som games with friends online.

To me it is not about "wannna, soe took my game," it is well that sucketh. but also i beleive that if any game company thinks that it is okay to take a games core engine and radically alter it to something else once, then they will do it again.

I want sto to work out and be a game that is successful, it is a game like NGE is currently then no i will not pay for it, i am not in to twich games (too old for the stuff). I will wish it nothing but success with the younger crowd that expect to be a jedi or captain kirk from the start.

p.s. if you thought the orginal game was business in space, i think i was in a different game.