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  Muke

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8/28/14 5:00:38 PM#21

Everyone has fond memories about their first MMO, making it the best, no matter how bad the game really is.

Warcraft proofs that.

 

"going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"

  JDis25

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8/28/14 5:10:14 PM#22

Warcraft is still one of the best PvP MMOs out there. It sometimes gets flak just because it isn't action combat, it is Tab Target, but a lot of movement is necessary. It is relatively balanced compared to many games...

Warcraft was the first major MMO to successfully implement an Arena that is mostly fair and still is the most successful at PvP Arena play for these reasons.

Open PvP WAS very fun in WoW back in the day. and Warlords is going to have an Open-PvP warzone that I think will be hell of a lot of fun. Plus a gear-equalized Arena.

Raiding in WoW took the MMO world by storm during Vanilla/BC. Nobody could touch it, and they still try. Rift has decent Raids, pretty fun and challenging, but they can't touch WoW but come the closest I think of any MMO. Haven't played Trials on ESO yet so can't comment on those.

Crafting in WoW has always been very well done and still competes. I haven't played WoW in years, but these trash talkers don't have a clue. WoW is a great and IMPORTANT game, it moved the genre forward.

 

  Fingz

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8/28/14 5:14:23 PM#23

Blizzard games are superhigh quality and well tested before release. I know there have been bugs here and there but overall a Blizzard game will have a lot of polish.

Also there is a ton of content in Blizzard games.

The unsung hero of WoW is the engine the game runs on.  It is amazingly responsive and will run on very low end PCs.

Not saying that Blizzard is unique, but what it does, it does well.

 

  maji

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8/28/14 5:17:00 PM#24

Well...

1) 90% of it's lifetime WoW wasn't pay2win. That's a huge plus in my book.

2) It has a huge amount of replayability. Even when WoW was new, it had far more starting zones than all or nearly all other MMORPGs. And that's a game that was released a decade ago. You can play several characters to max level while having nearly all the time zones that you never were in before. 

 

At least that's it for me. The current MMORPGs are to 99% pay2win and most of them have also next to zero replayability.

Let's play Fallen Earth (blind, 300 episodes)

Let's play Guild Wars 2 (blind, 45 episodes)

  Bladestrom

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8/28/14 5:22:17 PM#25
Although your comments about wow is fair enough, there is very little pay to win I. Other aaa mmorpgs, don't believe everything you here in troll rich forums.

rpg/mmorg history: Dun Darach>Bloodwych>Bards Tale 1-3>Eye of the beholder > Might and Magic 2,3,5 > FFVII> Baldur's Gate 1, 2 > Planescape Torment >Morrowind > WOW (1000 hrs on main mage)> oblivion > LOTR (480 Hunter) > Rift (230 hours mage) > Guild Wars (1900hrs elementalist) Vanguard. > GW2(900 elementalist), Wildstar

Now playing GW2, AOW 3

  Bannuk

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8/28/14 5:35:08 PM#26
Originally posted by Muke

Everyone has fond memories about their first MMO, making it the best, no matter how bad the game really is.

Warcraft proofs that.

 

Bingo. 

WoW was the first for millions and therefore there is nothing as good.  EQ wasn't my first MMO, but it was the first that hooked me.  I played DAOC first but I lived on island that had horrible internet service so I never could get into it.  I tried WoW though.  I got to max level, raided a few times and found the entire experience to be a major bore.  When I look at WoW all I see is a dumbed down clone of EQ that was designed to be so easy that brain dead monkey can play it with its hands tied behind its back. 

But no game is for everyone, so to those that love it, have fun playing it.

  laokoko

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8/29/14 12:43:16 AM#27

WoW just have superb dungeon and raid.  After 10 years, I still havn't played a game with better dungeon and raid than wow.

 

That being said, I havn't try wildstar.

  Robokapp

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The only luck I had today was to have you as my opponent.

8/29/14 12:44:41 AM#28
Originally posted by Dughtee

The title says it.

I need your opinions on this.  What does WoW do so good that other MMOs don't and vice versa?

Also, please answer honestly, as I am not trolling.

a world first race between many guilds from many countries.

  pantaro

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8/29/14 12:55:35 AM#29
Originally posted by steelwind

Short answer, absolutely nothing.

The reality imho, these same players pass up superior games because of time invested in wow. These same players feel like their time spent in wow is a complete waste if they ever leave. The longer they stay, the harder it is to leave.

This personally boggles my mind but it's a hill to die on for them. I just feel bad for players still playing a 10 year old game with 10 year old mechanics while sticking their heads in the sand to new innovation to protect their mental block of lost time.

This is the only way I can make sense of this Wow is king stuff and is purely my opinion.

you are not alone in that opinion either,i blame WoW for all the sub par mmo's that exist.WoW's success said to devs and companies that this is what we want and this is what sells and no it is not!

every year WoW get more streamlined and simplified,I know people who play WoW that seriously do not know other mmo's even exist,even after you tell them they do.I want choices,options and freedom.

WoW is like your starter mmo,WoW is mmo's on training wheels.WE can do better as a genre and as customers we deserve better!

  DavisFlight

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8/29/14 1:30:55 AM#30
Originally posted by JDis25

Warcraft is still one of the best PvP MMOs out there.

This is a troll post, right? WoW is a PvE game. It's PvP is shallow and not even related to the main game.

 

AC, UO, DAoC, Eve, Darkfall, SB, all better PvP.

  NIII

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Joined: 10/04/10
Posts: 113

8/29/14 1:45:45 AM#31

Probably nostalgia.

 

However, my personal answer to the question is;

While other MMOs may 'clone' WoW as far as mechanics, or aesthetic, none can compare in terms of lore, or substance.

I think of this more as 'soul'. For example, Rift was a really nice game that improved upon alot of WoW's mechanics, and brought some of it's own to the table. It lasted a while, but ultimately I began to feel detached from the world, and thus the NPCs. There didn't seem to be a reason to do anything, and so I didn't have an interest in progression.

The same can be said about a number of MMOs.

But this is my opinion. Take it or leave it. :3

  laokoko

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8/29/14 2:17:20 AM#32
Originally posted by DavisFlight
Originally posted by JDis25

Warcraft is still one of the best PvP MMOs out there.

This is a troll post, right? WoW is a PvE game. It's PvP is shallow and not even related to the main game.

 

AC, UO, DAoC, Eve, Darkfall, SB, all better PvP.

 

I think he mean instanced pvp similar to MOBA.  WoW does have one of the best instanced consensual pvp "for a mmorpg".

The games you listed is more world vs world, or FFA pvp.

  JDis25

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8/29/14 10:39:42 PM#33
Originally posted by DavisFlight
Originally posted by JDis25

Warcraft is still one of the best PvP MMOs out there.

This is a troll post, right? WoW is a PvE game. It's PvP is shallow and not even related to the main game.

 

AC, UO, DAoC, Eve, Darkfall, SB, all better PvP.

No, MOBA PvP is shallow. WoW's PvP is perfectly acceptable to qualify as some of the best RPG PvP around. It may not be everyone's cup of tea, but that doesn't mean it is bad.

 

I consider EvE different from standard MMOs as well, but I agree.

Notice all of the games you listed besides EvE are super old. Not all of us want to play a game that old and grindy for a variety of reasons.

  Apraxis

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8/30/14 2:35:44 AM#34
Originally posted by Dughtee

The title says it.

I need your opinions on this.  What does WoW do so good that other MMOs don't and vice versa?

Also, please answer honestly, as I am not trolling.

You will find a dozend of games like WoW.. but not one MMO with that amount of subscribers.. and that was meant.. you will not find a MMO (with that many subscriber/playerbase/that successful) like World of Warcraft. That's that.

 

  Legere

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Joined: 11/20/11
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8/30/14 2:48:56 AM#35
Originally posted by Dughtee

The title says it.

I need your opinions on this.  What does WoW do so good that other MMOs don't and vice versa?

Also, please answer honestly, as I am not trolling.

its an old school mmorpg with 10 years post development in it. its the best there is nothing like it that can compete.

plus its done by blizzard. the best in the business.

pretty obvious really.

  Albatroes

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Joined: 6/29/14
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8/30/14 4:16:07 AM#36
Here's my take on WoW. Almost every game has the same item system as WoW. Items are either color tiered and/or item level based in pretty much every game now. Item tiers have always exist long before WoW was made; however, what WoW does different than a lot of games is their reforge system. Too many people collect gear just because of a higher item level and this is where games like FFXIV fail in my opinion. Sure people can reach 105 etc but they dont know how much accuracy is necessary for certain bosses or what primary/secondary stats are best for their jobs. So what's the point of a high item level if you can't hit stuff? The advantage to wow is that they can reforge useless stats to a degree so even if the item is kinda junk for your class, its still pretty useful till you find something better. And of course the flying and easy mode of the game. However, I think Warlords is going to kill the game.
  Nitth

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Magic Propels my Rolly Chair.

8/30/14 6:18:47 AM#37

I read an article on another site the other day asking "What do you want in a WoW 2"
And most of the comments went as follows:

I want these [insert game name} features [Goes on to list all major features of said game] in a Wow Wrapper.

Which is really puzzling to think about because:
Why arnt they playing the other game?
Do they want WoW + Other game?
what portion of the other game isnt wow enough?

Which seems to conduce that gamers still want WoW clones...



TSW - AoC - Aion - WOW - EVE - Fallen Earth - Co - Rift - || XNA C# Java Development

  Muke

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8/30/14 6:25:22 AM#38
Originally posted by Dughtee

The title says it.

I need your opinions on this.  What does WoW do so good that other MMOs don't and vice versa?

Also, please answer honestly, as I am not trolling.

Why keep ppl buying and using drugs when everyone say to them it's bad for them?

"going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"

  goboygo

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8/30/14 10:22:46 AM#39

Are we talking vanilla WOW here or what it is today (which is still the biggest and baddest)

Huge HUGE open world without loading screens between zones.

Different and unique starting areas for each race.

Great sense of humor in the game (jf you understand American culture)

True factions that created hate and love towards and against the other side, you couldn't communicate with the other side at all, people you didn't know had your back (your faction).  You couldn't roll the other faction on the same server. And that was very very important on PVP servers.

Cross faction auction house in TANARIS

Content, content, content

Though some dislike the art style nothing looks out of place the whole game worlds art style flows together

Unique classes and unique class skills that gave you a real desire to re-roll or fear another class, this opposed to todays everyone can do everything classes.

Silky smooth animations and super responsive combat mechanics

Used to have super strict policy on character names, foul language in chat, and player abuse (strict and enforced player policies)

Consistent and reliable game servers

Great gear itemization and upgrade paths

Content, content, content

PvP arenas and battlegrounds that people actually played and were rewarded for

They didn't throw  a mount at you at level 1 first mount was what 40? epic at 60? IF you had the gold, and most didn't have the gold.  You had to actually earn stuff in that game.

Epics items had VALUE they didn't rain from the sky like in todays games, even todays wow.  You could link them in world chat and people would freak out about an epic.

Dungeon gear sets were HARD as hell to get, those were only BLUES!!  And when you had it, it was a huge accomplishment that people acknowledge.  Having your raiding EPIC set, you were a god! ha!

Everything in the game was acquired with IN GAME GOLD and your efforts, not some retarded secondary CASH based currency.  You were truly immersed in the game world, not managing your personal finances to make sure you didn't spend too much real money.

Because of this, the game was a LEVEL playing field for all.

Now most of this is meaningless, since todays games just throw everything at you from the start of the game to keep people from leaving for the next F2P that comes out. 

Just a few things that popped out at me.

 

  leahriddle

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9/05/14 6:21:14 AM#40

WOW is a good product itself. It runs 10 year and Blizzard keeps running  it  well. Many people say "Wow clones".

I can find  many MMO games imitating WOW in their gameplay, pictures and even plots .

I think many people grows up with WOW, or saying this, WOW acompany many people with their old golden days .

There are friendship and memories,which is irreplaceable

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