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  i_own_u

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OP  8/28/14 5:57:32 PM#1

http://abcnews.go.com/US/video-captures-colorado-cops-swarming-swatting-prank/story?id=25158294

The fact even that it is called "Swatting" and has a slang term makes me sick.

Thousands of tax dollars are spent per call...

People expect gamers to be taken seriously and then pull this crap? 

 

/end rant

  iridescence

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8/28/14 6:08:24 PM#2

Faking a shooting spree in Littleton, Co.  of all places? Yeah that's some hardcore douchebaggery. I hope they catch whoever did it and give them maybe a couple of years with a nice big cell mate to think it over.

 

  DamonVile

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8/28/14 6:13:00 PM#3
I think internet " pranks" in general that end up involving cops/FBI or whatever need to be dealt with more harshly. It's starting to become far to common and seriously these people have better things to do than figure out who's dumbass kid thinks it's funny to be a pest.

There's a saying about evolution and why we have two eyes and two ears but only one mouth. Clearly it didn't see the internet coming or it never would have given us ten fingers to type with.

  i_own_u

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OP  8/28/14 11:18:30 PM#4
Originally posted by DamonVile
I think internet " pranks" in general that end up involving cops/FBI or whatever need to be dealt with more harshly. It's starting to become far to common and seriously these people have better things to do than figure out who's dumbass kid thinks it's funny to be a pest.

Apparently you can "face up to 5 years in prison." To be honest, I don't know if that's a harsh enough punishment.

This is taking officers potentially away from legitimate crime scenes to deal with this bullshit. 

  forcelima

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8/28/14 11:28:39 PM#5

Not only wasted tax dollars but also the potential situation of the home owner defending his home cause shit moves pretty fast and engages with the police. The potential loss of life is also high. You already have situation where this has happened when police serve warrent on the wrong address. So I could see this happening in "swatting" cases.

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  Ariel_Arilon

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8/28/14 11:43:12 PM#6

Since I don't own a TV, and being limited to a dial-up modem (too far out in the country), would you please explain what "swatting" is? I've never heard of this before.

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  Axxar

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8/28/14 11:54:38 PM#7

Swatting is when you call a SWAT (a specialised police force) team to someone else's house as a joke or because you got mad they shot you in a Counterstrike match. For example by saying the person plans to do a school shooting or something.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/surprise/2014/07/17/12news-video-game-smack-talk-taken-too-far/12795549/?hootPostID=2b3c7307a01aea6d2610281082e1095b

Needless to say, it is extremely disrespectful of both the victim and the SWAT team, not to mention dangerous and a waste of resources.

  Ariel_Arilon

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8/29/14 12:13:31 AM#8

Eeeeeep! =: O

Thank you for explaining that. I pray that no one gets hurt.

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  Saur0n

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8/29/14 12:29:13 AM#9
There's an easy way to avoid being "Swatted".  All you have to do is refrain from talking shit to people you don't know over the internet.   Especially when you don't know how to secure your personal info on social media...Social engineering isn't anything new.  Plus, it's not like a false raid is costing more tax dollars than swat teams buying military surplus that they don't need without telling anyone...
  breadm1x

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8/29/14 12:47:06 AM#10

I realy dont get it, if i make a call like that here. they know where i am at the same time i make the call.

(they have the same thing in the USA since 911, it uses its IMEI and number and antenna used to make the call)

If i then say i am gonna drive over my neighburs grandmother and then shoot her or somthing.

They dont send in the marines or anything.

Let me get this staight, they are able to listen in on Angela Merkels phone in Germany but cant trace a prank call to its owner ?

 

I dont get it why they send in a SWAT team anyways based on a simple call.

 

B Roekens

Moutmolen 1C

1703TJ Heerhugowaard

Netherlands

 

SWAT  me. (fat chance)

 

b.t.w. the guy in the video is

Jordan Matthewson

1563 Broadway Street Littleton

Colorado 80120-4544

United States

 

 

 

 

 

  Solar_Prophet

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8/29/14 12:51:59 AM#11
Originally posted by Saur0n
There's an easy way to avoid being "Swatted".  All you have to do is refrain from talking shit to people you don't know over the internet.   Especially when you don't know how to secure your personal info on social media...Social engineering isn't anything new.  Plus, it's not like a false raid is costing more tax dollars than swat teams buying military surplus that they don't need without telling anyone...

Don't need? So you know what kind of situations every police department which purchased some faces? You are able to calculate the current and possible future needs of every law enforcement agency in the country?

Besides, it's a couple of HumVees and some body armor, not bazookas, land mines, attack helicopters, and so forth. Get over it. Furthermore, this is a much more serious situation due to the fact that people very well could get hurt or killed.

Oh, and who are they supposed to tell? The federal government oversees the sale, and state (and sometimes local) governments need to approve an expenditure like that. So everyone who should know, does know.

As for avoiding being 'swatted', some people will do it just because you beat them in an online game. The only way to protect against that is not to play online games, essentially.

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  Saur0n

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8/29/14 12:54:27 AM#12
Originally posted by breadm1x

I realy dont get it, if i make a call like that here. they know where i am at the same time i make the call.

(they have the same thing in the USA since 911, it uses its IMEI and number and antenna used to make the call)

If i then say i am gonna drive over my neighburs grandmother and then shoot her or somthing.

They dont send in the marines or anything.

Let me get this staight, they are able to listen in on Angela Merkels phone in Germany but cant trace a prank call to its owner ?

 

 

There are ways around that.  Dial-out phone confs for example.  You can also bounce through various proxy lines. 

  Saur0n

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8/29/14 1:03:27 AM#13
Originally posted by Solar_Prophet
Originally posted by Saur0n
There's an easy way to avoid being "Swatted".  All you have to do is refrain from talking shit to people you don't know over the internet.   Especially when you don't know how to secure your personal info on social media...Social engineering isn't anything new.  Plus, it's not like a false raid is costing more tax dollars than swat teams buying military surplus that they don't need without telling anyone...

Don't need? So you know what kind of situations every police department which purchased some faces? You are able to calculate the current and possible future needs of every law enforcement agency in the country?

Besides, it's a couple of HumVees and some body armor, not bazookas, land mines, attack helicopters, and so forth. Get over it. Furthermore, this is a much more serious situation due to the fact that people very well could get hurt or killed.

Oh, and who are they supposed to tell? The federal government oversees the sale, and state (and sometimes local) governments need to approve an expenditure like that. So everyone who should know, does know.

As for avoiding being 'swatted', some people will do it just because you beat them in an online game. The only way to protect against that is not to play online games, essentially.

The federal government does not oversee the sales.  The companies the pentagon contract to make their gear end up with surplus that they then sell to whoever they want.   Unless you've been living in a hole the last few weeks you'd know that it's a lot more than humvees and body armor.   Everything a police outfit purchases is on record.  Yet where are the records of them buying LRAD systems and urban assault vehicles?  They magically disappear...

  PioneerStew

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8/29/14 1:10:48 AM#14
Originally posted by breadm1x

I realy dont get it, if i make a call like that here. they know where i am at the same time i make the call.

(they have the same thing in the USA since 911, it uses its IMEI and number and antenna used to make the call)

If i then say i am gonna drive over my neighburs grandmother and then shoot her or somthing.

They dont send in the marines or anything.

Let me get this staight, they are able to listen in on Angela Merkels phone in Germany but cant trace a prank call to its owner ?

 

I dont get it why they send in a SWAT team anyways based on a simple call.

 

B Roekens

Moutmolen 1C

1703TJ Heerhugowaard

Netherlands

 

SWAT  me. (fat chance)

 

b.t.w. the guy in the video is

Jordan Matthewson

1563 Broadway Street Littleton

Colorado 80120-4544

United States

 

 

 

 

 

Different cultures I guess.  In the UK you would probably get the nearest bobby on the beat to do a driveby and confirm the call before anything further happened.  Then you would probably have a negotiating team.  However, if someone shouted terrorist you might get an Armed Response Unit turn up.  

I think it is just that there is a less of a gun culture here.  It means that negotiation seems to be the first response rather than running around shooting stuff like you've watched one too many action movies.  

  breadm1x

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8/29/14 1:18:04 AM#15

Yeah..

The problems starts to come when the peeps that get "pranked" think the swat team is a prank to.

They act up start doing weird stuff, and then get shot by the SWAT team.

  a63ntorange

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8/29/14 1:29:58 AM#16
You just pay cash for a prepay shit cell phone like illegals use, and dump it after. Untraceable, as long as you don't stand by the trash can, and leave no prints on it.
  NIII

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8/29/14 1:33:15 AM#17
Originally posted by Saur0n
There's an easy way to avoid being "Swatted".  All you have to do is refrain from talking shit to people you don't know over the internet.

Completely wrong.

 

Just earlier today I got raged at by someone on CS:GO and I didn't even have my mic on, nor did I type to anyone.

An entire team got mad at me the other day BECAUSE I didn't talk.

 

People in these kinds of games will rage about anything. If you're not pissing one person off you are another. If you do something, someone's mad, if you do nothing, someone's mad.

 

Personally, I believe it to be an age thing. If not that, then maturity. It's not that people shouldn't take the game seriously, they should just be able to handle the stress/responsibility of playing a PvP game. This kind of behavior goes hand in hand with the selfish attitude of the crowd quick to call 'kill steals', and blame others for their losses.

 

Also two wrongs don't make a right, etc.

  jesteralways

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8/29/14 1:35:34 AM#18
Originally posted by DamonVile
I think internet " pranks" in general that end up involving cops/FBI or whatever need to be dealt with more harshly. It's starting to become far to common and seriously these people have better things to do than figure out who's dumbass kid thinks it's funny to be a pest.

Send them in prison for 10 years, put them in the same cell with serial killers with tendency to kill on sight. that will make these lifeless morons think at least 100 times before pulling these kind of pranks. but i guess as they live in usa, as long as they don't subscribe to certain religious label they are let go easy.

i want an open world, no phasing, no instancing.i want meaningful owpvp.i want player driven economy.i want meaningful crafting.i want awesome exploration, a sense of thrill.i want ow housing with a meaningful effect on my entire gameplay experience, not just some instanced crap.i want all of these free of cost, i don't wanna pay you a cent, game devs can eat grass and continue developing game for me.
Seems like that is the current consensus of western mmo players.

  Saur0n

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8/29/14 1:35:42 AM#19
Originally posted by NIII
Originally posted by Saur0n
There's an easy way to avoid being "Swatted".  All you have to do is refrain from talking shit to people you don't know over the internet.

Completely wrong.

 

Just earlier today I got raged at by someone on CS:GO and I didn't even have my mic on, nor did I type to anyone.

An entire team got mad at me the other day BECAUSE I didn't talk.

 

People in these kinds of games will rage about anything. If you're not pissing one person off you are another. If you do something, someone's mad, if you do nothing, someone's mad.

 

Personally, I believe it to be an age thing. If not that, then maturity. It's not that people shouldn't take the game seriously, they should just be able to handle the stress/responsibility of playing a PvP game. This kind of behavior goes hand in hand with the selfish attitude of the crowd quick to call 'kill steals', and blame others for their losses.

 

Also two wrongs don't make a right, etc.

Raging is one thing.  That's their fault.  If they can find your name and address, that's your fault.  And even if they did get your personal info, you'd really have to push them to get them to act. 

 

  NIII

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8/29/14 1:40:29 AM#20
Originally posted by Saur0n
Originally posted by NIII
Originally posted by Saur0n
There's an easy way to avoid being "Swatted".  All you have to do is refrain from talking shit to people you don't know over the internet.

snip

Raging is one thing.  That's their fault.  If they can find your name and address, that's you're fault.

 

And that's why I only quoted a single part of your post. I agree with your statement on privacy, to a point. ^^

There wouldn't be a reason to keep your information private if not for the person doing a wrong.

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