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8/28/14 3:06:22 PM#21
Oh so much hate against f2p players.
Silly me, I thought the community of AA was a typical example of an open pvp crowd.

I have an entitlement delusion - because I have this strange idea that my 50$ should have the same value as anyone else's 50$
"Your account is not entitled to the same value as a new account. Just saying you are entitled to the same as someone else because you said so is exactly what expresses your entitlement issues."


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8/28/14 3:09:32 PM#22
Originally posted by grimal
Originally posted by evilized
Free to play crowd, is it any wonder?

Well, SWTOR is f2p and their forums pale in comparison

SWTOR only alllow subs to post on the forums.


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8/28/14 3:10:22 PM#23
Originally posted by evilized
Originally posted by Mtibbs1989
Originally posted by evilized
Free to play crowd, is it any wonder?

More like the current cesspool of people brooding hate in the gaming community today. This attitude exists regardless of payment model.

This too. You will see a larger segment of complainers in a free environment though.

The paying players are just as bad there. You see huge rant threads about spending $15 a month and making them entitled to everything throwing huge fits about the cash shop, LP pots, etc. This is right after they posture to the froobs about spending money on the game. It's just a really immature toxic community.

I don't see any larger segment of complainers in F2P games than I do P2P games. The complaint specific change a bit, but it always comes down to some people feeling entitled to something they don't have and pointing fingers to others as the problem.


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8/28/14 3:11:00 PM#24
LOL, so instead of leaving it on the AA site, the OP brought it here as well... WE'VE BEEN INFECTED!

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8/28/14 3:17:54 PM#25

There's topics other than F2P that are being discussed loudly. Like this for instance:

Seems Like Trion/XLgame is doing the "throw-****-on-the-wall-and-see-what-sticks" routine. They try to find their costumers breaking point... and stick as close to it as possible.

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8/28/14 3:21:31 PM#26
Originally posted by blazehammer

Sorry guys, i am a common FTP player, i hardly pay for anything normally because it doesn't deserve my hard earned money (plus a big family to feed) and i have to defend my "class". These problems described aren't because of free players or paying players but are because a total lack of respect and education of the Internet users of this generation plus a lack of moderators.

If you go in the EA games forums it's the same, the difference it's that in EA the forums have enough moderators. So stop being biased and think before post please. These things that are killing all communities trough all net...

It's 50 cents a day ....give it a rest 



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8/28/14 3:25:56 PM#27
Originally posted by Dakeru
Oh so much hate against f2p players.
Silly me, I thought the community of AA was a typical example of an open pvp crowd.



Well done!

If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.


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Joined: 4/20/13
Posts: 207

8/28/14 3:26:59 PM#28
No sympathy, perma forum ban the toxic thread creator and lock the thread. If they aren't willing to do this, then they are flat out saying that toxic players are more important to their games success than you are, so at that point have a decision to make.

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8/28/14 3:33:36 PM#29
Originally posted by jesteralways
Originally posted by rodingo
Originally posted by fivoroth
Typical "freeloader" comments. These people have jobs and are so busy and can't afford 9 bucks a month. Really? That's like 1-2 pints of beer!

Exactly.  Maybe they feel the beer is the worth price but not the game.  I can think of quite a few games that I would rather spend the money on piss beer than waste it on a sub.  It's all about perceived value and right now even Keystone is more worthy of my money than any sub based MMO. 

Then don't play these games, It is as simple as that. you wanna play their game, you want to enjoy the game to your heart's content but as soon as a topic of payment(for something that is valid and reasonable, not trying to grab cash for something like quick bar) comes you tell them to fuck off, you go to their forums and use slur, you come to a mmo site and antagonize the game and publisher. that is a mental problem

LOL.  Easy there killer. 

I was talking of perceived value and I think you mistook me for someone that wants to,..hmm lets see:

1) Wants to play a f2p game until my heart is content?  Not even remotely sure where you got that from.  Thinking a game is not worth a sub is not the same as wanting to play a f2p game.

2) Telling people to "fuck off".  No, I didn't do that either.

3) I go to game's forums and use slurs.  No, though I think you fit that bill.

4) I go to an MMO site and antagonize a game and it's publisher?  Seriously?

Funny you mention mental problem....

"If I offended you, you needed it" -Corey Taylor


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"It is double pleasure to deceive the deceiver". - Niccolo Machiavelli

8/28/14 3:36:15 PM#30
Originally posted by fivoroth
Typical "freeloader" comments. These people have jobs and are so busy and can't afford 9 bucks a month. Really? That's like 1-2 pints of beer!

there are two sides on that coin, so this doesnt apply to everyone.

Yes there are people with jobs and still want to be free loaders. But also Yes, there are free players that have jobs and rather support the game through cash shop cosmetics and inventory size and not pay a subscription. The latter is shitty in AA (just like Swtor preferred status) where it doesnt matter how much money you pay in cash shop, if you arent a subscriber you become a miserable player and still get ripped off.


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8/28/14 4:36:24 PM#31
Originally posted by grimal
Originally posted by evilized
Free to play crowd, is it any wonder?

Well, SWTOR is f2p and their forums pale in comparison

Maybe it has something to do with the too long wait for release. Trion announced that it was going to release the game in the West on Januari 24, 2013. Maybe people get a bit weird after waiting for such a long time.

It takes one to know one.


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8/28/14 4:45:52 PM#32
Originally posted by rodingo
Originally posted by fivoroth
Typical "freeloader" comments. These people have jobs and are so busy and can't afford 9 bucks a month. Really? That's like 1-2 pints of beer!

Exactly.  Maybe they feel the beer is the worth price but not the game.  I can think of quite a few games that I would rather spend the money on piss beer than waste it on a sub.  It's all about perceived value and right now even Keystone is more worthy of my money than any sub based MMO. 

So the game is worthy of your time, but not your money?

Got it.


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8/28/14 4:50:12 PM#33
Originally posted by rojoArcueid
Originally posted by fivoroth
Typical "freeloader" comments. These people have jobs and are so busy and can't afford 9 bucks a month. Really? That's like 1-2 pints of beer!

there are two sides on that coin, so this doesnt apply to everyone.

Yes there are people with jobs and still want to be free loaders. But also Yes, there are free players that have jobs and rather support the game through cash shop cosmetics and inventory size and not pay a subscription. The latter is shitty in AA (just like Swtor preferred status) where it doesnt matter how much money you pay in cash shop, if you arent a subscriber you become a miserable player and still get ripped off.

Why would you consistantly spend more than a subscription cost in the cash shop  unlocking things that come with a subscription?


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8/28/14 4:54:52 PM#34

Well this could be mitigated largely if the retarded gaming industry had a brain. Simply create different server types.

type 1: subscription players only; no LP restriction
type 2: subscription players only; has LP restriction and cash shop
type 3: essentially the same servers they're currently running.

Then far fewer can complain. But companies in this industry seem to think they can screw more money out of players by offering them less options.

Luckily, i don't need you to like me to enjoy video games. -nariusseldon.
In F2P I think it's more a case of the game's trying to play the player's. -laserit


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8/28/14 4:55:22 PM#35

A F2P game to me is like a Gift. You don't complain when somebody buys you a gift...regardless of how much better the gift could have been.


Unless the gift is something repulsive of course. Archeage F2P you can at least login level to max, play the game like a themepark, make some friends who will help you get what you need etc...


Sure other games may have better F2P value, but they are older, less in-demand games.


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8/28/14 5:03:29 PM#36

The forums are out of control because ArchAge has a couple of serious problems.


The fact that it treats both F2P and P2P players like cash cows, adds real money to in game gold conversion options and introduces a farmville/facebook type monetization yet unheard of in MMORPGS.

If you have a restricted game like SWTOR that offers a full game for P2P players you will convert a certain amount of F2P players because they see the value in P2P to get unrestricted access to everything in the game.

If you however have a restricted game like ArchAge and the P2P only removes half of the paywall restrictions and leaves the facebook/farmville monetization still in place you should not be surprised about the backlash.

Framville * F2P * P2P * GoldForCash * P2W CashShop Items = a toxic mix that will blow up in their faces.


PS: Check the latest additions to the CashShop to see how the whole metagame can be screwed up by the addition of a coupple of items. You have to be very gullible if you think that this is the end.


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8/28/14 5:06:00 PM#37
I think we should bring all the flame wars from other sites to this one, because clearly, the topic needs to be rehashed here as well.

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8/28/14 5:07:51 PM#38

The problem from my point of view is that while I am happy to pay for Patron Status
I cannot do so in beta without buying a Founders Pack! Thus forced to struggle for
LP's until release.


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8/28/14 5:15:20 PM#39

Considering that I'm in the beta I couldn't sit by and not

reply to all this. Firstly, ArcheAge is being marketed as a

Free to Play game. That means what it says. FREE TO

PLAY. So these elitist "freeloader" comments on ANY

F2P model is ridiculous. So F'n stop already.

But since they are actively selling Alpha and Beta access

(remember when Beta testing MEANT something?) through

their scammy crowdfunding project called "Founder's Packs"

they have bred a whole new group of entitles giving ArcheAge

a really bizarre caste system of "Founders" and so called

"freeloaders". Remember this is a FREE TO PLAY game.

So here's the problem.

Only Founders, called Patrons, can securely farm.

Meaning the game is overflowing with farm uprooting, theft, ect.

And non Patron farms are beginning to be viewed as "illegal"

in game by players. How are non Patron farms in any way illegal?

Is Trion saying non Patrons not allowed to farm? I haven't seen them

say that. So how are they illegal?

When I started Beta the biggest crime you could do beyond murder

was uprooting a farm. Steadily it became stealing from Patrons only.

Which taints the jury system the game has in favor of the haves and

creating a whole caste system against the "have nots"..

Global chat IS atrocious and ArcheAge has one of the worst communities

I have ever seen and it's still in Beta. I have personally found the game

unbearable to play and the Patron scheme makes actual Beta testing all

systems near impossible for any that aren't PAYING to Beta test.

And that's one of the biggest problems right there. YOU are paying to

both QA AND Beta test this. SO why aren't you angry to be paying to do what

people used to be PAID to do? Paid to quality assure and inhouse test I mean.

Instead, like suckers, YOU are paying them to test their product.

So atleast as far as BETA goes, NO ONE is "freeloading" because no one should

be paying anything to do it.

This goes for any game or MMO claiming to follow a free to play model.

Payment comes from micro transactions, not client ownership and registration.

ArcheAge should just come clean and call it's self a Pay with no Sub title like


and stop calling players that sign up for Free to Play models "freeloaders" cos

when we put down money in item shops, we're PAYING CUSTOMERS too.

Too many whiny entitled a-holes, I swear. "I bought a Founder's Pack so I'm

more important that you." "I bought a SWTOR sub so I'm better than you."

I'm a Founder on SWTOR. I beta tested it. I bought it twice. If any one should

have the right to bitch about those restrictions it's those players like me lmao

I would have no problem at all buying Rise of the Hut Cartel if I felt the current

state of the game, restrictions included, deserved my money. It doesn't.

But I would pay top dollar to have Star Wars Galaxies 2 lol And I would happily

put money into an item shop like I have with Tera, Dragon Nest, The Secret World,

ect. Brain cells in the online community lol Grow some lol


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8/28/14 5:21:48 PM#40
Originally posted by jesteralways no subscriber likes to login to an empty world.

Not really an issue for me.

A small but dedicated player base is more to my liking.

I"m not sure the video game companies agree though.

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